I started thinking of some of the conversations I’ve had with people, where I was attempting to open their world view, or at least think about the fact that there are other ways to look at things, that you don’t normally hear because they’ve been suppressed. And generally just attempts to de-condition/indoctrinate/brainwash. Rational thinking goes out the window and many of them refuse to look at logic or reasoning. Many of you have seen this and experienced this and maybe this has already been said and accepted here, but here is what I was thinking about earlier.
When our brains go in “panic” mode, we shut off our prefrontal cortex, and operate solely on survival, I have experienced this being in fights, wrecking a motorcycle, and other times, although those are the ones that stand out the most. I believe the media, schooling, and all other forms of indoctrination and brainwashing, triggers this “panic” mode when certain topics or ideas and thoughts are brought up. In a Pavlovian way, they were trained to panic and shut down a part of their brain. This is why they tend to come across so irrational and illogical. Critical thinking and logic will not get through to them.
Anyways as I’ve said I’m sure some of you already know this but I thought it might be worthy of discussion, and on a unrelated note, reaffirmed the importance of training under adrenaline.
I don’t care what society says about you guys, you’re alright in my book.
I have definitely observed this affect as well when debating the mainstream narrative with normies. You bring up a good point of their brains literally shutting down when they go into panic mode. I have close friends that don't give a fuck about anything political, religious, economical, or otherwise, get so angry they wanted to fist fight when presented with information that completely contradicted their programming.
Interesting. I've wanted to do an interview podcast or YouTube channel and document the agent Smith effect... basically do interviews but tell them at some point a controversial topic will be thrown in so the interviewed person knows something will be brought up but notnwhen... or just don't tell them and when you bring up the moonlanding being fake or the holocaust numbers proving its impossible I want to catch what you describe as the panic mode or the agent Smith mode when their brain washing kicks in along with social shame as well.
[ - ] 3Whuurs 1 point 2.3 yearsMar 3, 2023 03:27:06 ago (+1/-0)*
I posted about this somewhat yesterday, but in my experience talking to Normie‘s or alt woke types, I think it’s better to get the subject to question and define themselves and what they define as sufficient evidence to change their mind, before feeding them facts and information. I think your observation of fear psychology is correct, but in my experience if you’re talking about more then just teaching them information they don’t know, but also a way of thinking they’re not use to, the only way to trigger their “right/wrong” centre in areas they’re not use to caring about, is to associate it with things that do. And in my experience (so far) getting them to put their egos on the line is the only way. You have to get them to do all the talking and explaining so they hear themselves out loud say what right and wrong is, then challenge them to prove it by feeding the right fact directly on to that particular moral stance. Because if they don’t care about real shit, they probly don’t care about anything but themselves. So you have to nail them down and make it cost them something on a personal level. Otherwise they’ll just happily move their goal post around as you waste life changing info on them.
I think the ultimate goal is to get them to see their world view is faith based, and not based on actual pattern recognition. The first thing an open mind questions, is itself.
Yes, first deconstruct the tiny little thoughts they have and show their inadequacy. Once you get someone not in the frame of thinking they are ‘debunking’ what ever you are saying but reflecting on what little they know, it sort of knocks down their ability to blindly disregard what you are saying. And then you can proceed in avalanching your superior knowledge on them.
When I get into a road block I just stop and humble them into submission. It’s not something you can do if you get emotional yourself. You spend enough time redpilling people you develop an art to it. The trick is you gotta stop caring whether they believe you or not. Your invested emotional interest will sabotage your efforts.
If you want to reck someone you just keep them emotional and play them like a fiddle. I wouldn’t suggest this on anyone who doesn’t deserve it. Narcissists are usually people you have to fuck up a bit. Lol I haven’t met a person who didn’t end up eating out of the palm of my hand in the end. And that of course is by merit and truth.
The trick is you gotta stop caring whether they believe you or not. Your invested emotional interest will sabotage your efforts.
Couldn’t agree more with this. Even in many other aspects of life , this applies. I’ve worked with people that simply have less shame and personal dignity then me, and they know it. So they just keep breaking their word and not pulling their weight until I snap on them, but because they just don’t care, they’ll take my frustration (emotion) as their own get out of jail free card not to care what’s actually being said. Like not caring was the goal, which just makes them an absolute nigger.
I think a lot of it is genetics. Some of us do not give a fuck what normie pieces of shit think, and will actively work against the faggot quo no matter the opposition. When it comes time to snipe our brothers like the IRA days, we will, because they're traitors and they deserve to die.
"Rational thinking goes out the window and many of them refuse to look at logic or reasoning.".
Ok but often no-one really knows if a position is right or wrong.It's just people having preferred positions which is to say we shouldn't be too confident about declaiming that someone is wrong.
I agree with that, and I don’t pretend to know everything nor am I convinced everything I believe to be true is the truth, I’m open to being proven wrong or corrected if someone presents a conflicting yet convincing argument. I would consider that open minded as well as rational. The thing is, is trying to convince certain people to being open minded about a topic, let’s say religion for instance for sake of an example, where there probably will never be evidence or proof enough to show without a doubt one way or the other. Introducing a different perspective even if just for the sake of something to think about, sets off this panic response. The idea of being open minded and considering ideas in general sets off the response.
And as Rockwell quoted, paraphrasing, informed decisions cannot be made unless all available information is considered. So whatever conclusions we draw, should be from a informed decision, with all available positions considered.
That sounds nice and all, but really what you're talking about with "preferred positions" has become thinking with your feelings. Technology and city living has allowed people to maintain the facade of civilized intelligence while simultaneously dumbing them down till they don't think logically as much as they do emotionally. Emotional mindset is easily manipulated by stimuli, whereas logical mindset is to analytical to be easily swayed by pretty colors and suggestive imagery
So then I guess it is a question of ethics. Do we choose to free them (when recovery is even possible), control their stimuli, or cut them loose to save ourselves?
Save yourself first, then save others when you are in a position to do so. However, be wary of who you save and when. They may just suck you dry and walk on to the next sucker.
[ + ] ItsOk2bArian
[ - ] ItsOk2bArian 0 points 2.3 yearsMar 3, 2023 03:05:55 ago (+0/-0)
You bring up a good point of their brains literally shutting down when they go into panic mode. I have close friends that don't give a fuck about anything political, religious, economical, or otherwise, get so angry they wanted to fist fight when presented with information that completely contradicted their programming.
[ + ] 3Whuurs
[ - ] 3Whuurs 0 points 2.3 yearsMar 3, 2023 03:46:59 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] SumerBreeze
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[ + ] Doglegwarrior
[ - ] Doglegwarrior 1 point 2.3 yearsMar 3, 2023 02:03:26 ago (+1/-0)
Good post
[ + ] 3Whuurs
[ - ] 3Whuurs 1 point 2.3 yearsMar 3, 2023 03:27:06 ago (+1/-0)*
I think your observation of fear psychology is correct, but in my experience if you’re talking about more then just teaching them information they don’t know, but also a way of thinking they’re not use to, the only way to trigger their “right/wrong” centre in areas they’re not use to caring about, is to associate it with things that do.
And in my experience (so far) getting them to put their egos on the line is the only way.
You have to get them to do all the talking and explaining so they hear themselves out loud say what right and wrong is, then challenge them to prove it by feeding the right fact directly on to that particular moral stance. Because if they don’t care about real shit, they probly don’t care about anything but themselves. So you have to nail them down and make it cost them something on a personal level. Otherwise they’ll just happily move their goal post around as you waste life changing info on them.
I think the ultimate goal is to get them to see their world view is faith based, and not based on actual pattern recognition.
The first thing an open mind questions, is itself.
[ + ] Imsickofmakingusernames
[ - ] Imsickofmakingusernames 0 points 2.3 yearsMar 3, 2023 09:19:33 ago (+0/-0)
When I get into a road block I just stop and humble them into submission. It’s not something you can do if you get emotional yourself. You spend enough time redpilling people you develop an art to it. The trick is you gotta stop caring whether they believe you or not. Your invested emotional interest will sabotage your efforts.
[ + ] Imsickofmakingusernames
[ - ] Imsickofmakingusernames 0 points 2.3 yearsMar 3, 2023 09:25:15 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] 3Whuurs
[ - ] 3Whuurs 0 points 2.3 yearsMar 3, 2023 22:59:01 ago (+0/-0)
Couldn’t agree more with this.
Even in many other aspects of life , this applies.
I’ve worked with people that simply have less shame and personal dignity then me, and they know it. So they just keep breaking their word and not pulling their weight until I snap on them, but because they just don’t care, they’ll take my frustration (emotion) as their own get out of jail free card not to care what’s actually being said.
Like not caring was the goal, which just makes them an absolute nigger.
[ + ] namefagsrgay
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[ + ] paul_neri
[ - ] paul_neri 2 points 2.3 yearsMar 3, 2023 01:25:28 ago (+2/-0)
Ok but often no-one really knows if a position is right or wrong.It's just people having preferred positions which is to say we shouldn't be too confident about declaiming that someone is wrong.
[ + ] GLRreincarnate
[ - ] GLRreincarnate [op] 1 point 2.3 yearsMar 3, 2023 01:48:48 ago (+1/-0)*
And as Rockwell quoted, paraphrasing, informed decisions cannot be made unless all available information is considered. So whatever conclusions we draw, should be from a informed decision, with all available positions considered.
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