the answer is far simpler than you might think. apparently, the people who set up the US as the world police after ww2 were super geniuses that could see into the future or they were careless about crashing the US as a country, but either way, the US is in a situation where no one can make them pay the debt and so the US simply doesn't have to pay or can make really unfair agreements in the future if they want their money.
That's not dependant on any aspect of our current civilization, and is in fact, destroyed by it.
Can you identify one contemporary technology that isn't ruining our abilities to be a successful mammal? By 'successful', I mean living in a sustainable and peaceful harmony with our environment and biome. Specifically not ruining ourselves and the world around us.
No question technology can be disruptive and we are on the cusp of living in a time of unprecedented technological advances. Enough to make the industrial revolution look like a bump in the road.
I get that, in many ways, we're not meant to live the way we are now and I have to wonder whether and how we might have found (or will find) our way without the corrupting influence of the (((kikes))).
It's been years since I read it and, if I recall correctly, one of the things that ends up being valued most in the author's conception of an era of limitless energy is a form of solidarity.
Read again. I'll finally get around to reading the first time. (ironically using advanced tech to do so) (also just noticing the anon thing)
The longer I live and see, the more I think the prohibition against 'eating of the tree of knowledge' was for our own protection. We've gone too far to recover, and are already living lives that would horrify our ancestors. Maybe one of the worst parts is our generational normalization of the 'advances'. Like maskers, the new people in the near future will scoff at the fuddy duddies who don't have brain implants to direct and control their thinking.
While there's no positive future possible in this timeline, it's pretty likely that the new people they keep creating will be progressively more and more acclimated to the horrors beyond comprehension. Thank God we die after 70 or 90 years.
THOMAS GRAY wasn't wrong, although I still can't shake my desire to know the reality of our situation. Anyway, yes, I'm sure we'll navigate our post human era and come out just fine. All will be well.
By 'successful', I mean living in a sustainable and peaceful harmony with our environment and biome
Our "environment and biome" is ever-expanding. At any point we could go back to Abo's or Bushmen and hunt/be hunted, die from an infected paper cut or whatever, and never set our eyes beyond the horizon unless forced to through search for food, shelter, or water. We could live in sustainable harmony (idk how peaceful any of nature is) with the environment and biome through self-limiting our expansion.
But we are not they. We are descended from explorers and conquerors, and while much of the tech we have today serves to mire us in our own Hellscape, it also serves to free us from mundane survival tasks to direct our gaze to the stars.
Whether you believe men went to the moon or not, we definitely have probes on Mars analyzing samples remotely, we have a probe in the ISM still returning data, and we have a constellation of satellites surrounding the planet. Hell, we only mastered flight in the last century, and now we have living quarters orbiting Earth where humans live for months/years at a time.
So I suppose your definition of "successful mammal" is entirely different than mine, because I think everything from spring technology powering hunting bows to gunpowder to fuel refinement to math and engineering... all of that tech has made us the successful mammal. So goddamned successful that we've conquered the planet and are extending our reach beyond the planet. So successful that we monitor populations of every other mammal (through tech) and actually work to prevent ourselves from accidentally extincting them - maintaining their sustainable and "peaceful" (again, whatever the fuck that means in a nature filled with violence) harmonious existence in their environment and biome. So successful we've increased crop yields/acre over 1000 fold since 100 years ago while still maintaining soil properly such that another Dust Bowl is avoided. The technologies are too many to list. How about something simple like forest undergrowth management through controlled burns preventing massive, devastating forest fires - surely even that fits your hippy dippy bullshit definition of "not ruining ourselves and the world around us," right?
But that's the planet. To reiterate - OUR environment and biome has yet to have its limits defined. A lion will forever be glued to the ground, a bird forever trapped within a few hundred meters of it. Humanity has the capability to live among the stars which, to me, seems like a very sustainable and harmonious existence given the amount of resources in that environment and biome.
I also don't know what you mean by "ruining ourselves and the world around us" unless you live in an urban jungle. In which case, I'd advise you to take a drive through the Midwest US. We've not ruined the world around us; we've (mostly) mastered it. Unless you're an anti-humanist, in which case change begins with you. Go live in the bush or just KYS for the ultimate in "sustainable peaceful harmony."
"So I suppose your definition of "successful mammal" is entirely different than mine"
Agreed. The tech and knowledge are oh so tempting, and it is destroying us as a species. Not entirely destroyed yet, but this train has no brakes and the bridge is out ahead.
Luddites like you have been around since man mastered control of fire. Shit, "the bridge is out" huh? Funny because we know how to build excellent bridges thanks to technology. Tech, including tech like fire, gunpowder, refrigeration, etc... has only allowed us to flourish as a species. You're premise is not only incorrect, it's demonstrably false as indicated by millennia of plodding success. You and I likely wouldn't exist without technology; probably 90% of humans on the planet wouldn't. When the planet inevitably dies, humans are the only species with any remote hope of continuing long after because of our mastery of tech. We'll probably take scores if not thousands of species with us too.
How one can look at the explosion of human population over the past century thanks to improvements in technology and say "it's destroying us" is beyond me. Are we more morally compromised? Sure, some of us. That has happened throughout literally all of recorded history, regardless of tech. Tech isn't the problem, but every time it gets good, there's no shortage of "you's" out there to decry the end of times because the cotton gin or whatever the next "evil" breakthrough is. Y'all have been wrong every other time, but I'm sure you've got it all figured out this time, finally. Ironically, thanks to the tech you despise.
You and I likely wouldn't exist without technology; probably 90% of humans on the planet wouldn't.
Now you've stumbled on it, but you still don't recognize it. Perhaps at some point in the future? Odds aren't good, but it's possible. Try reading your reply as if it were written by someone else, and see what you think.
No I get it man. You're also not the first to think we're overpopulated. They've been beating that drum for millennia.
You're just the typical luddite pessimist. I'm a humanity optimist. I think it's pretty cool we've conquered the planet. We're constantly working to keep ourselves in check. I think we'll conquer the stars, meaning the planet isn't our biome but all of space.
But really if all of this tech is so bad then fuck off and be Amish already. Well I guess even they have a lot of tech... idk even monkeys use tools. That's the other thing with you luddites - you never really are able to define what an acceptable level of technology is. Even Abos figured out spears. Just how retarded is the right kind of retarded for you?
So the tech they used to program your brain also makes you think positively of it. That is a useful feature, if you're into that kind of thing. Do you not notice your inability to think on your own?
Indeed. They can't suspend the Constitution without the pretext of immediate threat of total collapse (at which point, it's unavoidable, anyway.) Regardless of one's view on Trump, it was obvious he disrupted their timeline enough that they feel it necessary to accelerate before 2024 (a spoil still won't stop the collapse, but whatever their plan, it will require them to be in control as it happens in order to come out on top.)
It's likely a double-edged deal: cooperate, and we shield you from what's coming for the 99%; don't, and you get exposed for the traitor you are and left out to the wolves during and after the collapse, to be hunted like a rabid dog wherever you show your face.
[ + ]anon
[ - ] anon 6357607 0 points 2.2 yearsMar 19, 2023 00:39:07 ago (+0/-0)
that's it. simple as.
[ + ] Fascinus
[ - ] Fascinus 9 points 2.3 yearsMar 1, 2023 21:27:32 ago (+9/-0)
Can't usher in the global commie utopia without destroying the last vestiges of civilization as we know it.
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 8761920 1 point 2.3 yearsMar 1, 2023 22:22:32 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Fascinus
[ - ] Fascinus 9 points 2.3 yearsMar 1, 2023 22:31:32 ago (+9/-0)
I've never known such bliss as to live among my own people.
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 8761920 3 points 2.3 yearsMar 1, 2023 22:57:14 ago (+3/-0)
Can you identify one contemporary technology that isn't ruining our abilities to be a successful mammal? By 'successful', I mean living in a sustainable and peaceful harmony with our environment and biome. Specifically not ruining ourselves and the world around us.
[ + ] Fascinus
[ - ] Fascinus 2 points 2.3 yearsMar 1, 2023 23:27:09 ago (+2/-0)
No question technology can be disruptive and we are on the cusp of living in a time of unprecedented technological advances. Enough to make the industrial revolution look like a bump in the road.
I get that, in many ways, we're not meant to live the way we are now and I have to wonder whether and how we might have found (or will find) our way without the corrupting influence of the (((kikes))).
Ever hear of Stephenson's Diamond Age ?
It's been years since I read it and, if I recall correctly, one of the things that ends up being valued most in the author's conception of an era of limitless energy is a form of solidarity.
[ + ] Sector7
[ - ] Sector7 3 points 2.3 yearsMar 1, 2023 23:56:10 ago (+3/-0)
Read again. I'll finally get around to reading the first time. (ironically using advanced tech to do so) (also just noticing the anon thing)
The longer I live and see, the more I think the prohibition against 'eating of the tree of knowledge' was for our own protection. We've gone too far to recover, and are already living lives that would horrify our ancestors. Maybe one of the worst parts is our generational normalization of the 'advances'. Like maskers, the new people in the near future will scoff at the fuddy duddies who don't have brain implants to direct and control their thinking.
[ + ] Fascinus
[ - ] Fascinus 2 points 2.3 yearsMar 2, 2023 00:07:05 ago (+2/-0)
I happen to agree. Only thing is, it seems like at this point there's no way out but through.
While I am acutely aware of our collective shortcomings, I happen to be optimistic in our ability to navigate the so-called "post human" era.
Perhaps, along this grand journey, we will re-discover what it means to be human after all.
[ + ] Sector7
[ - ] Sector7 0 points 2.3 yearsMar 2, 2023 02:08:11 ago (+0/-0)
[No more; where ignorance is bliss,
'Tis folly to be wise.](https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44301/ode-on-a-distant-prospect-of-eton-college)
THOMAS GRAY wasn't wrong, although I still can't shake my desire to know the reality of our situation. Anyway, yes, I'm sure we'll navigate our post human era and come out just fine. All will be well.
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 3692767 0 points 2.3 yearsMar 2, 2023 10:33:17 ago (+0/-0)
Our "environment and biome" is ever-expanding. At any point we could go back to Abo's or Bushmen and hunt/be hunted, die from an infected paper cut or whatever, and never set our eyes beyond the horizon unless forced to through search for food, shelter, or water. We could live in sustainable harmony (idk how peaceful any of nature is) with the environment and biome through self-limiting our expansion.
But we are not they. We are descended from explorers and conquerors, and while much of the tech we have today serves to mire us in our own Hellscape, it also serves to free us from mundane survival tasks to direct our gaze to the stars.
Whether you believe men went to the moon or not, we definitely have probes on Mars analyzing samples remotely, we have a probe in the ISM still returning data, and we have a constellation of satellites surrounding the planet. Hell, we only mastered flight in the last century, and now we have living quarters orbiting Earth where humans live for months/years at a time.
So I suppose your definition of "successful mammal" is entirely different than mine, because I think everything from spring technology powering hunting bows to gunpowder to fuel refinement to math and engineering... all of that tech has made us the successful mammal. So goddamned successful that we've conquered the planet and are extending our reach beyond the planet. So successful that we monitor populations of every other mammal (through tech) and actually work to prevent ourselves from accidentally extincting them - maintaining their sustainable and "peaceful" (again, whatever the fuck that means in a nature filled with violence) harmonious existence in their environment and biome. So successful we've increased crop yields/acre over 1000 fold since 100 years ago while still maintaining soil properly such that another Dust Bowl is avoided. The technologies are too many to list. How about something simple like forest undergrowth management through controlled burns preventing massive, devastating forest fires - surely even that fits your hippy dippy bullshit definition of "not ruining ourselves and the world around us," right?
But that's the planet. To reiterate - OUR environment and biome has yet to have its limits defined. A lion will forever be glued to the ground, a bird forever trapped within a few hundred meters of it. Humanity has the capability to live among the stars which, to me, seems like a very sustainable and harmonious existence given the amount of resources in that environment and biome.
I also don't know what you mean by "ruining ourselves and the world around us" unless you live in an urban jungle. In which case, I'd advise you to take a drive through the Midwest US. We've not ruined the world around us; we've (mostly) mastered it. Unless you're an anti-humanist, in which case change begins with you. Go live in the bush or just KYS for the ultimate in "sustainable peaceful harmony."
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 8761920 0 points 2.3 yearsMar 2, 2023 13:45:43 ago (+0/-0)
Agreed. The tech and knowledge are oh so tempting, and it is destroying us as a species. Not entirely destroyed yet, but this train has no brakes and the bridge is out ahead.
Enjoy what's left of it while you can.
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 3692767 0 points 2.3 yearsMar 2, 2023 14:20:05 ago (+0/-0)
How one can look at the explosion of human population over the past century thanks to improvements in technology and say "it's destroying us" is beyond me. Are we more morally compromised? Sure, some of us. That has happened throughout literally all of recorded history, regardless of tech. Tech isn't the problem, but every time it gets good, there's no shortage of "you's" out there to decry the end of times because the cotton gin or whatever the next "evil" breakthrough is. Y'all have been wrong every other time, but I'm sure you've got it all figured out this time, finally. Ironically, thanks to the tech you despise.
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 8761920 0 points 2.3 yearsMar 2, 2023 14:34:23 ago (+0/-0)
Now you've stumbled on it, but you still don't recognize it. Perhaps at some point in the future? Odds aren't good, but it's possible. Try reading your reply as if it were written by someone else, and see what you think.
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 3692767 0 points 2.3 yearsMar 2, 2023 15:23:53 ago (+0/-0)
You're just the typical luddite pessimist. I'm a humanity optimist. I think it's pretty cool we've conquered the planet. We're constantly working to keep ourselves in check. I think we'll conquer the stars, meaning the planet isn't our biome but all of space.
But really if all of this tech is so bad then fuck off and be Amish already. Well I guess even they have a lot of tech... idk even monkeys use tools. That's the other thing with you luddites - you never really are able to define what an acceptable level of technology is. Even Abos figured out spears. Just how retarded is the right kind of retarded for you?
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 8761920 0 points 2.3 yearsMar 2, 2023 15:53:39 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 9441125 0 points 2.3 yearsMar 1, 2023 23:04:56 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Fascinus
[ - ] Fascinus 2 points 2.3 yearsMar 1, 2023 23:18:44 ago (+2/-0)
What I meant was more along the lines of "I've never known anything better".
Already had an amazing wife/family and felt out of place in commie cali.
Moving to actual America has been such a blessing.
I mention how much I love living here at least once every day.
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 3965379 0 points 2.3 yearsMar 2, 2023 08:37:24 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 9782545 1 point 2.3 yearsMar 1, 2023 22:54:20 ago (+1/-0)
They can't suspend the Constitution without the pretext of immediate threat of total collapse (at which point, it's unavoidable, anyway.)
Regardless of one's view on Trump, it was obvious he disrupted their timeline enough that they feel it necessary to accelerate before 2024 (a spoil still won't stop the collapse, but whatever their plan, it will require them to be in control as it happens in order to come out on top.)
[ + ]anon
[ - ] anon 2175054 2 points 2.3 yearsMar 2, 2023 03:08:20 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ]anon
[ - ] anon 1445345 2 points 2.3 yearsMar 1, 2023 21:56:11 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 9782545 2 points 2.3 yearsMar 1, 2023 22:58:09 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ]anon
[ - ] anon 3430489 1 point 2.3 yearsMar 1, 2023 22:26:51 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ]anon
[ - ] anon 3606064 0 points 2.3 yearsMar 2, 2023 00:51:59 ago (+0/-0)