Pre-war: NATO weak and reason for existence under question. Post-war: NATO expanded (Finland and Sweden join) and strengthened.
Pre-war: Russia respected militarily as former superpower. Post-war: Russia seen as a decayed husk of their former selves.
Pre-war: Europe highly dependent on Russian fuel supplies. Nord Stream 2 coming online. Post-war: Russia a pariah state. Europe strongly motivated to seek independence from Russia.
The linked video is from Perun. He does in-depth analysis videos on the Russia/Ukraine war. While he is clearly sympathetic to Ukraine, he offers evidence-based and reasoned analysis that you don't typically find on either side of the aisle. A typical video will go over the strengths and weaknesses of either side, highlights that war is uncertain, etc. This video is pretty one-sided, however -- probably because that's where the true position lies.
Europe has lost access to cheap energy which is already causing economic crash.
How is that a strategic win for Russia? They lost a customer and the US gained one. All those billions they spent building a direct pipeline to Germany is down the tubes.
Meanwhile China and India and iran and Brazil and Russia have for bed an alliance against Nato.
Iran: who cares. Brazil: Who cares. India: Won't be in a military alliance against NATO, especially if it involves China. China: the only real threat, but they seem content to let Russia grind themselves out against Ukraine. Russia, historically, has been a rival of China. While Russia and China have a shared interest in countering the West, China will act in their own interest, not Russia's.
Ukraine is captured Nato territory. This war is not being fought in Russia and Nato is indeed losing.
Ukraine is of little strategic importance to NATO, other than as a way to bleed Russia. Russia is in a grinding war against a single country, and while they are getting massive help in supplies, all the armies of Europe and the US are still intact. Same can't be said for Russia, now can it?
1. Omg what an idiotic statement. Highly quality cheap energy is no longer sold to europe. It's now sold to brics!!!
Use your brain, europe didn't sanction Russia. They blockaded themselves of energy and food. You cannot portray this in a positive light.
2. People who aren't morons care that billions of humans with the bulk of earths energy now are in opposition to the west.
3. No the armies of Nato are not intact. All that equipment sent has largely been blown up. Three years before usa replenishes the javelins they've already sent. Now gee let us think. Just who manufactures Nato weapon components and what energy supplier powered what few European manufacturing still exist? Oh and what's the state of the west's young men and work force?
This war is a fucking disaster already and that's before China kicks off and nukes fly
Highly quality cheap energy is no longer sold to europe. It's now sold to brics!!!
It was sold to them anyways, moron. The point is Russia lost a customer. Do you think Russia spent billions on that pipeline just for kicks? Not only did they lose a paying customer, they lost the strategic leverage that went along with it. Remember the title of this post: It's not about EU suffering pain. It about Russia's strategic loss.
People who aren't morons care that billions of humans with the bulk of earths energy now are in opposition to the west.
There's plenty of energy in the West. That's why the West hasn't crumbled.
No the armies of Nato are not intact. All that equipment sent has largely been blown up.
As has Russia's. Lots of that equipment was old shit in storage destined for decommission anyways. The combined manufacturing power of the West can vastly outproduce Russia -- which is not the USSR empire of old. When Russia is reliant on buying drones from Iran, you know they have problems.
Three years before usa replenishes the javelins they've already sent.
And how long before Russia replaces what they have used or has been destroyed?
Just who manufactures Nato weapon components and what energy supplier powered what few European manufacturing still exist?
The US manufactures a lot of NATO weapons.
Oh and what's the state of the west's young men and work force?
Better than Russia's, who had to empty their prisons to get enough boots on the ground, whose men were fleeing the draft in the hundreds of thousands, and whose best and brightest often go to find work in the West.
[ - ] qwop 1 point 1.2 yearsFeb 19, 2023 23:55:06 ago (+2/-1)*
You forgot to analyze the part where Russia didn't invade Ukraine, and now they have a bunch of dead Russians in Donbass, at risk of losing their only southern port in Crimea, NATO with possibility of nukes at their doorstep, a US puppet regime in Kiev, and a couple dozen US biolabs running who knows what projects in one of the most corrupt countries in Europe.
You have to look at what options they had left. Tone deaf war mongers in the US and NATO had painted them into a corner. When you're put into a corner there are no good choices left. Russia chose the option where their long-term survival has the best chance of success. Their other options were much worse.
I suggest listening to Gonzalo Lira's primer to the Ukraine conflict, which explains all the above very clearly. He lives in Ukraine and has an Ukranian wife and kids.
[ - ] chrimony [op] 1 point 1.2 yearsFeb 20, 2023 04:07:17 ago (+1/-0)
You forgot to analyze the part where Russia didn't invade Ukraine, and now they have a bunch of dead Russians in Donbass
How many Russians died in Donbas in the year preceding the invasion, and the year after? Hint: It's a lot more after.
at risk of losing their only southern port in Crimea
Where was this big risk? Russia annexed it in 2014. There was zero, I repeat zero, risk of losing Crimea in the foreseeable future. Ukraine wasn't even winning back the Donbas, let alone making any moves to Crimea. Now it's under active attack as a result of the invasion.
NATO with possibility of nukes at their doorstep
Poland is already part of NATO, on their doorstep. And Ukraine was unlikely to join NATO any time soon, as one of the conditions is that you can't be in a territorial dispute, which they were, and there wasn't any real appetite for it anyways. Now instead two new members are becoming part of NATO, one of which is on their border: Finland.
a US puppet regime in Kiev
Was already the case for 7 years. So what?
and a couple dozen US biolabs running who knows what projects
Yeah, who knows what? But the US could be doing that anywhere.
You have to look at what options they had left. Tone deaf war mongers in the US and NATO had painted them into a corner.
What fucking corner? NOTHING was happening. It was 7 years since the coup in 2014, and the only thing that came of it was Ukraine being bogged down in a civil war. How is Russia better off now, with the West dumping huge supplies of arms into Ukraine, and Russia bogged down into costly trench warfare?
Putin chose to invade when he did because the Nord Stream 2 pipeline had just come online, bypassing Ukraine, and he figured he would achieve a swift victory. He rolled the dice and lost. Even if he manages to grind out a victory in Ukraine, Russia isn't going to be any safer. Exactly the opposite, they will be depleted militarily and facing a unified West with a keen desire to revamp their militaries in opposition to Putin.
I suggest listening to Gonzalo Lira's primer to the Ukraine conflict, which explains all the above very clearly. He lives in Ukraine and has an Ukranian wife and kids.
Lulz. jews just can't help themselves. He's lucky not to be buried in a ditch somewhere.
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I don't think he was convicted, he was setup, probably by a fedboi named shlomo and his intelligence was better than the combined efforts of the western world. Sorry, your new Israel will not be Ukraine, snackjew
prosecuted twice, took a plea deal in 2001 to keep the case sealed (it was leaked) and 8 years later he was convicted in another case
Ritter was arrested again in November 2009 over communications with a police decoy he met on an Internet chat site. Police said that he exposed himself, via a web camera, after the officer repeatedly identified himself as a 15-year-old girl. Ritter said in his own testimony during the trial that he believed the other party was an adult acting out her fantasy. The chat room had an "age 18 and above" policy, which Ritter stated to the undercover officer.
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Europe has lost access to cheap energy which is already causing economic crash.
Meanwhile China and India and iran and Brazil and Russia have for bed an alliance against Nato.
Over half the worlds pop is in rf camp.
Ukraine is captured Nato territory. This war is not being fought in Russia and Nato is indeed losing.
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[ - ] chrimony [op] 0 points 1.2 yearsFeb 20, 2023 04:19:04 ago (+0/-0)
How is that a strategic win for Russia? They lost a customer and the US gained one. All those billions they spent building a direct pipeline to Germany is down the tubes.
Iran: who cares. Brazil: Who cares. India: Won't be in a military alliance against NATO, especially if it involves China. China: the only real threat, but they seem content to let Russia grind themselves out against Ukraine. Russia, historically, has been a rival of China. While Russia and China have a shared interest in countering the West, China will act in their own interest, not Russia's.
Ukraine is of little strategic importance to NATO, other than as a way to bleed Russia. Russia is in a grinding war against a single country, and while they are getting massive help in supplies, all the armies of Europe and the US are still intact. Same can't be said for Russia, now can it?
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[ - ] Belfuro 0 points 1.2 yearsFeb 20, 2023 13:47:23 ago (+0/-0)
Highly quality cheap energy is no longer sold to europe. It's now sold to brics!!!
Use your brain, europe didn't sanction Russia. They blockaded themselves of energy and food.
You cannot portray this in a positive light.
2. People who aren't morons care that billions of humans with the bulk of earths energy now are in opposition to the west.
3. No the armies of Nato are not intact. All that equipment sent has largely been blown up.
Three years before usa replenishes the javelins they've already sent.
Now gee let us think. Just who manufactures Nato weapon components and what energy supplier powered what few European manufacturing still exist?
Oh and what's the state of the west's young men and work force?
This war is a fucking disaster already and that's before China kicks off and nukes fly
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[ - ] chrimony [op] 0 points 1.2 yearsFeb 20, 2023 14:07:08 ago (+0/-0)
It was sold to them anyways, moron. The point is Russia lost a customer. Do you think Russia spent billions on that pipeline just for kicks? Not only did they lose a paying customer, they lost the strategic leverage that went along with it. Remember the title of this post: It's not about EU suffering pain. It about Russia's strategic loss.
There's plenty of energy in the West. That's why the West hasn't crumbled.
As has Russia's. Lots of that equipment was old shit in storage destined for decommission anyways. The combined manufacturing power of the West can vastly outproduce Russia -- which is not the USSR empire of old. When Russia is reliant on buying drones from Iran, you know they have problems.
And how long before Russia replaces what they have used or has been destroyed?
The US manufactures a lot of NATO weapons.
Better than Russia's, who had to empty their prisons to get enough boots on the ground, whose men were fleeing the draft in the hundreds of thousands, and whose best and brightest often go to find work in the West.
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You have to look at what options they had left. Tone deaf war mongers in the US and NATO had painted them into a corner. When you're put into a corner there are no good choices left. Russia chose the option where their long-term survival has the best chance of success. Their other options were much worse.
I suggest listening to Gonzalo Lira's primer to the Ukraine conflict, which explains all the above very clearly. He lives in Ukraine and has an Ukranian wife and kids.
https://wwww.youtube.com/watch?v=loVtI_7xRHw
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[ - ] chrimony [op] 1 point 1.2 yearsFeb 20, 2023 04:07:17 ago (+1/-0)
How many Russians died in Donbas in the year preceding the invasion, and the year after? Hint: It's a lot more after.
Where was this big risk? Russia annexed it in 2014. There was zero, I repeat zero, risk of losing Crimea in the foreseeable future. Ukraine wasn't even winning back the Donbas, let alone making any moves to Crimea. Now it's under active attack as a result of the invasion.
Poland is already part of NATO, on their doorstep. And Ukraine was unlikely to join NATO any time soon, as one of the conditions is that you can't be in a territorial dispute, which they were, and there wasn't any real appetite for it anyways. Now instead two new members are becoming part of NATO, one of which is on their border: Finland.
Was already the case for 7 years. So what?
Yeah, who knows what? But the US could be doing that anywhere.
What fucking corner? NOTHING was happening. It was 7 years since the coup in 2014, and the only thing that came of it was Ukraine being bogged down in a civil war. How is Russia better off now, with the West dumping huge supplies of arms into Ukraine, and Russia bogged down into costly trench warfare?
Putin chose to invade when he did because the Nord Stream 2 pipeline had just come online, bypassing Ukraine, and he figured he would achieve a swift victory. He rolled the dice and lost. Even if he manages to grind out a victory in Ukraine, Russia isn't going to be any safer. Exactly the opposite, they will be depleted militarily and facing a unified West with a keen desire to revamp their militaries in opposition to Putin.
Lulz. jews just can't help themselves. He's lucky not to be buried in a ditch somewhere.
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