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Has anyone here experience someone lying to themselves and you know it but they truly believe it? Or do they know and are delusional?

submitted by Doglegwarrior to AskUpgoat 2.2 yearsFeb 4, 2023 10:36:15 ago (+5/-0)     (AskUpgoat)

Ran into someone or a situation with someone. I knew more then they knew that I knew so the lies told to me would have been believable had I not known so much inside information.

My question is or the delima is this? Does that person really believe their lies or thry lie and live a delusion to make themselves feel better?

Or do they truly just have no clue what they are doing or know exactly what they are doing and are just shitty lying assholes?


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[ - ] Centaurus 7 points 2.2 yearsFeb 4, 2023 11:38:07 ago (+7/-0)

I lie to myself all the time. In fact just the other day I was thinking, "Damn, that Doglegwarrior sure posts some good threads!"

[ - ] Doglegwarrior [op] 4 points 2.2 yearsFeb 4, 2023 11:43:41 ago (+4/-0)

Lol

I really laughed out loud

Well played

[ - ] 2Drunk 4 points 2.2 yearsFeb 4, 2023 12:35:01 ago (+4/-0)

I believe white people will survive....

[ - ] lord_nougat 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 4, 2023 13:18:36 ago (+0/-0)

Bartender, I'll have what this guy's having!

[ - ] albatrosv15 1 point 2.2 yearsFeb 4, 2023 12:10:11 ago (+1/-0)

Deception always starts with ourselves.

[ - ] Sector7 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 4, 2023 13:56:54 ago (+0/-0)

None of our sensory apparatus accurately reports reality.

[ - ] i_scream_trucks 1 point 2.2 yearsFeb 4, 2023 11:06:37 ago (+1/-0)

we all have.

theyre called vaxxtards

[ - ] BoomerChristCuckFinalForm 1 point 2.2 yearsFeb 4, 2023 10:46:22 ago (+3/-2)

This is the majority of "Americans."

The psyche of the average American is a wasteland of contradictions, hypocrisies lies and myths.

Why???

In order to better consume!!!

It is that simple.

Every military man has realized a life of comfort and luxury is a toxic poison that weakens the mind and spirit and the body itself. The more you crave this life the worse of a human being you will be to get it.

There are internal conversations with the self as to why you did something and most people lie to themselves; to paint themselves as virtuous, brave, worthwhile, intelligent, patriotic and industrious.

If you take a close look though... *You see satan's worm sucking blood from innocent defenseless victims.

This is a horrifying sight that induces madness.
So lies must be crafted.

They know they lie. They known they live a lie. They know you know they are a fucking worthless liar.

But they will continue to lie. Then... They will use their position of power they get from the lie to shut you up and prove ...they are right because they are respected by those that tend the lie so they are more important even if you are more
right*.

The number one thing I hear from boomers when I kill all their lies and serve up the truth irrefutable...

A red faced screaming bitch screaming I DONT CARE NOBODY CARES FUCK OFF!!! Tbey are terrified and bewildered so they resort to bullying attempts to shut up that voice that is so embarassing and revealing to their simpletons lies.

This mental state was covered in depth in 1984.

Doublethink.

[ - ] Doglegwarrior [op] 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 4, 2023 11:45:31 ago (+1/-1)

Wonder why you were down voted?

Thanks for the reply

[ - ] BoomerChristCuckFinalForm -1 points 2.2 yearsFeb 4, 2023 12:20:55 ago (+1/-2)

Diggernicks and con77 are one and the same and running an auto downvote on all my posts. Because he's a jew faggot.

[ - ] shitface9000 1 point 2.2 yearsFeb 4, 2023 13:41:36 ago (+1/-0)

I thought it was because your a nigger

[ - ] BoomerChristCuckFinalForm -1 points 2.2 yearsFeb 4, 2023 14:23:00 ago (+0/-1)

Nah that is your mom.

[ - ] Sector7 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 4, 2023 13:33:29 ago (+0/-0)

Is there such a thing as 'innocence' in an entity that consumes the cells and tissue of other life forms?

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In what context do you find people to talk with about politics in real life?

[ - ] PhantomXLII 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 4, 2023 19:55:39 ago (+0/-0)

I lie to myself often.

"Wow, I'm gonna make it!"

Lol, no.

[ - ] iThinkiShitYourself 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 4, 2023 19:19:30 ago (+0/-0)

I don't really know why people do this but I see it all the time, and it's almost impossible for me to not say something to them

[ - ] Bottled_Tears 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 4, 2023 18:52:38 ago (+0/-0)

My roommate. He does it every day even when I call him out. He says he was just messing but he's truly lying or actually forgot.

For example I'll ask where my work mug is and he says he didn't touch it yet I literally watched him clean the dishes hours ago.

[ - ] allAheadFull 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 4, 2023 17:10:32 ago (+0/-0)

Most people will stick with information they are comfortable with. The comfortable part can be based on how the "fact" jives with other ideas they have or with what their perceived group consensus is. Media can distort the group consensus. People rarely move from their comfort zone when they see no short term reward for doing so.

[ - ] DoubleHappyDog 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 4, 2023 15:01:33 ago (+0/-0)

Hulk Hogan

[ - ] DukeCanon 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 4, 2023 14:52:21 ago (+0/-0)

Yes. And I'm not sure.
Lol

[ - ] shitface9000 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 4, 2023 13:40:57 ago (+0/-0)

Holohoaxers are these type

[ - ] chrimony 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 4, 2023 13:35:00 ago (+0/-0)

I experience that here all the time. Flattards and Christcucks being two prime examples.

o Stars rotate about two poles. Flattard McNasty ignores this.

o Christcucks follow Saul the Pharisee and worship the god of Israel. Call you a kike if you point that out to them. Funniest is "TallestSkill" has become the newest member of this sect. Full on NPC mode.

[ - ] Sector7 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 4, 2023 13:54:54 ago (+0/-0)

McNasty effectively acknowledges ball earth when pressed hard enough. Not directly, but responds with ball earth formulas and phenomenon when he's losing the debate. His flat earth bullshit is either his job or his trolling persona.

How would you describe the difference between Christcucks and Christians?

[ - ] chrimony 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 4, 2023 17:14:34 ago (+0/-0)

No, McNasty firmly has his head up his ass. He only uses "ball earth" formulas when he thinks he can bend them to Flattard Earth. He tries too hard and is too emotionally invested to be a troll.

[ - ] Doglegwarrior [op] 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 5, 2023 01:30:36 ago (+0/-0)

Half way with you . The christ cuck thing is a problem for white people.

I didn't want to believe in flat earth and I still don't but I am a globe denier after watching way to much shit that just couldn't be explained.

I have a hard time believing people like you have actually gone down the rabbit hole I was 100% sure it was totally retarded and now don't know but one thing that always bothers me is the irrational behavior of glober people and trusting the science like a religion versus the reasonable science believing flat earth people.

[ - ] chrimony 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 5, 2023 06:39:27 ago (+0/-0)

I didn't want to believe in flat earth and I still don't but I am a globe denier after watching way to much shit that just couldn't be explained.

I just told you about stars rotating about two poles, which is impossible on Flattard Earth, but trivially explained by spherical Earth. So what is the problem, here?

I have a hard time believing people like you have actually gone down the rabbit hole

Dude, I've been down so many rabbit holes, extensively -- flat Earth being just one of them.

Most people have a common sense understanding that a massive conspiracy to pretend the Earth is round is ridiculous, but if you pressed them they would be unable to prove it was round beyond pictures from space. And when given a technical argument by a flattard, are unable to refute it, so they just call them a name and move on with their life.

I, on the other hand, listen to their arguments and tell them why they are wrong. I've gone down multiple lines of evidence, trying to find the biggest and simplest ones for the average person to be able to verify for themselves. That's why I settled on simple stuff like sunsets and how the stars rotate above.

It's when these simple explanations don't get through to flattards that I can see they are invested in their ego and not wanting to be wrong, rather than in finding out the truth.

[ - ] observation1 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 4, 2023 13:23:52 ago (+0/-0)*

It's multifaceted.

On the surface it's to save face.

Often, however, people are out of touch with their own intentions.

White lies to others can result in gas lighting yourself.

Other times we are well-aware of our conscious lies.

A recent article from ZH discusses cognitive dissonance. That's a word that gets thrown around a lot but is rarely understood.

"In 1954 Leon Festinger created an experiment to evaluate the phenomenon of cognitive dissonance, his setup was again quite simple.

A subject is given a repetitive and dull physical task to do (originally turning wooden pegs, but other variations use other tasks).

After the task is complete, the subject is instruced to go and prepare the next subject (actually a lab assistant) for the task, by lying and telling him/her how interesting the task was.

It’s at this point the subjects are divided into two groups, one group is offered $20 to lie, the other only $1.

This is the real experiment.

The Conclusion: After lying to the fake subjects, and being paid their money, the real subjects take part in a post-experiment interview and record their genuine thoughts on the task.

Interestingly, the 20-dollar generally told the truth [in the post interview], that they found the task dull and repetitive. While the one-dollar group, more often than not, claimed to have genuinely enjoyed the task.

This is cognitive dissonance in action.

Essentially, for the $20 group, the money was a good reason to lie to their fellow test subject, and they could justify their own behaviour in their head. But, for the $1 group, the meagreness of the reward made their dishonesty internally unjustifiable, so they had to unconsciously create their own justification by convincing themselves they weren’t lying at all.

In summary, if you offer people a small reward for doing something, they will pretend to enjoy it, or be otherwise invested, to justify only making a small profit.

[...]

NOTE: A variation on this experiment introduces a third group, who are paid nothing to lie. This group is not affected by cognitive dissonance, and will honestly appraise the task just as the well-paid group do."

This applies to your example because we often do it to ourselves. The reward doesn't have to be monetary, as it was in Festinger's experiment. The reward of saving face or not losing social status is also incentivizing.

In short: in meager situations we unconsciously make up stories and convince ourselves that we aren't lying at all. That's what is meant by cognitive dissonance.

[ - ] Sector7 1 point 2.2 yearsFeb 4, 2023 13:45:53 ago (+1/-0)

Repetitive and dull tasks can be as interesting or as boring as one's imagination.

[ - ] Dirtydyno 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 4, 2023 12:57:27 ago (+0/-0)

Women are very good at this. This is why it is often hard to detect lying in women. They convince themselves via emotion as opposed to logic that the lie they are telling is true.

[ - ] Doglegwarrior [op] 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 5, 2023 01:33:29 ago (+0/-0)

Ya it's unbelievable the shit I've witnessed come out of women's mouths