Here is a picture of the Chicago skyline from the Michigan shoreline at 60 miles away.
https://files.catbox.moe/o3hnot.jpg![]()
Here's an abc57 piece talking about the picture taken of the Chicago skyline from the Michigan shoreline at 60 miles away.
https://www.abc57.com/news/mirage-of-chicago-skyline-seen-from-michigan-shorelineIt should be impossible. Chicago should be hidden below the horizon 2000 feet. But they give an explanation.
A picture of the Chicago skyline taken almost 60 miles away, is actually a mirage.
But it can't be a mirage because a mirage is an inverted image created by a reflection. But they explain this away.
This is a form of Superior Mirage, superior in this meaning the mirage or image of the skyline is seen above where it's actually located.
Convenient wouldn't you say? Lol. Except for the fact they provide a link that explains what a "superior mirage" actually is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fata_Morgana_(mirage)A superior mirage can be right-side up or upside-down, depending on the distance of the true object and the temperature gradient. Often the image appears as a distorted mixture of up and down parts.
Now I personally have questions about this. Like how would distance or temperature negate the inversion of a reflection? That just doesn't make any sense. This phenomenon only occurs when somebody is trying to explain why an object is visible when it shouldn't be. There's literally no other example of a reflection negating inversion other than this scenario but let's assume it does even though that's retarded. It's still a reflection off of the atmosphere, or what I like to call the either, that is at a distance of at least 2000 feet above it and the atmosphere isn't a set object. It is comprised of gases that are not uniformly set and therefore would have distortion.
Here's the earth curvature calculator.
https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/earth-curvatureSo can anyone explain how the skyline is casting a perfect non-inverted reflection 2000 feet above it and point out the "distorted mixture of up and down parts" that would occur due to the reflective surface being compromised of moving gasses that are not uniformly set?
And if you claim refraction can achieve such an effect, can you give an example of this phenomenon on a smaller scale? Because if it can't be reproduced on a smaller scale, then your argument is no different than telling me the Holocaust happened simply because people said it did.
[ + ] UncleDoug
[ - ] UncleDoug 7 points 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 15:24:49 ago (+8/-1)
Also elevation determines the distance to the horizon.
OP is the second dumbest fucker on tlol.
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] -2 points 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 15:30:19 ago (+2/-4)
[ + ] UncleDoug
[ - ] UncleDoug 5 points 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 15:34:45 ago (+6/-1)
Have you ever been offshore?
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[ - ] dalai_llama 6 points 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 15:54:43 ago (+7/-1)
You're a fucking kike and you should kill yourself immediately.
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[ + ] AmalekTheZOG
[ - ] AmalekTheZOG -1 points 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 18:03:30 ago (+0/-1)
Now is your chance.
You think nasa curved the earth.
Because you can't even fucking spell Galileo much less replicate his equations IRL.
You on the short bus my nigger. With a little ape helmet.
🦧 🚐
Deniggering available, hire a white person to click the link for you and explain the big words and the math.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=galileo+calculations.+curvature&ia=web
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 18:10:35 ago (+0/-0)
Ahh. The life of a kike cuck.
[ + ] AmalekTheZOG
[ - ] AmalekTheZOG 0 points 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 16:30:50 ago (+1/-1)
A nigger doesnt even know this is an equation....*hence your confusion.*
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 16:37:30 ago (+2/-2)
[ + ] AmalekTheZOG
[ - ] AmalekTheZOG 6 points 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 15:00:19 ago (+8/-2)*
Only niggers don't sail... unless a jew is driving!!!
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[ - ] AmalekTheZOG 1 point 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 17:50:43 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] -3 points 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 15:23:50 ago (+3/-6)
You are doing the kike thing by pretending there isn't a scientific consensus on the curvature of the earth that is easily debunked. kinda like how kikes tell me the reason no mass graves exist from the holocaust is because NAZI's burned them all. The science does not allow it, but kikes will insist it is what happened.
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[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 16:39:01 ago (+2/-2)
[ + ] AmalekTheZOG
[ - ] AmalekTheZOG 0 points 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 16:44:28 ago (+0/-0)
White men, sentient beings who hold opinions infuriating to the ape nigger understand the math involved and how to calculate and check the math for veracity.
When they hear a nigger like you hooting the earth is flat and nobody can prove otherwise....
We immediately understand you never passed 9th grade geometry or 8th grade algebra.
We fully comprehend that you are an illiterate uneducated nigger because the VERY BASIS of your argument requires a level of ignorance and stupidity so unattainable by humankind that you must be texting us from a rubber tire swinging from a rope in a cage with hay on the floor.
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[ - ] McNasty [op] -2 points 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 16:02:26 ago (+2/-4)
What can't be reproduced is a phenomenon where an object casts a perfect non-inverted imagine of itself in midair above itself. This only "happens" when kike science is trying to explain why an object that should be well beyond the horizon peak is visible.
Basically, if the claim is that these objects are experiencing a scientific phenomenon, then I need to see it reproduced. otherwise, it's like I'm being told the holocaust happened because of scientific evidence. I need proof, not explanation.
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[ - ] Smedleys_Butler 0 points 2.3 yearsJan 1, 2023 21:19:05 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 2.3 yearsJan 1, 2023 21:44:11 ago (+0/-0)
My theory with voat is that it is mostly kikes pretending to be anti-semitic. They create such an extreme environment of anti-semitism that it is unappealing to somebody that is not already aware of the kike problem. It creates an echo chamber. Nobody comes here to learn about the kike problem. They come here to vent about it. If we are going to post information that exposes kikes, they'd prefer we post it in an echo chamber that has no impact on the outside world. So I get voat. I get why there would be kikes posting the most extreme anti-semitic posts.
That brings us to the flat earth. It is beyond anti-semitism. It's a subject that will attract people that might not be aware of the kike problem. It creates an opportunity for those people to engage in our environment. So kikes that would normally pretend to be anti-semitic and post about kikes controlling all major institutions will drop the act on the flat earth subject. They can't have this truth being accepted even by this echo chamber of anti-semites. So instead of it being acceptable to crunch the numbers and ridicule those that defend the institutional explanation as to why the numbers don't add up, they flip the script and ridicule those that are doing the math and asking why the numbers aren't adding up.
[ + ] Smedleys_Butler
[ - ] Smedleys_Butler 0 points 2.3 yearsJan 1, 2023 22:08:43 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 2.3 yearsJan 1, 2023 23:16:53 ago (+0/-0)
As for flat earth, the scientific consensus is that Earth's curvature is 8 inches per mile squared. This equation allows a person to measure how far away the horizon would be based on the observers height. Anything beyond this point would began to sink below the horizon. This allows the measurement of obstruction by the horizon. In the photo I provided, Chicago should be completely hidden beneath the horizon. I mean "completely." The Willis Tower is the tallest building in Chicago at 1750 feet and the horizon's obstruction is over 2000 feet. There is no credible explanation for this. To believe it is a mirage is to believe jet fuel can melt steel beams.
[ + ] Smedleys_Butler
[ - ] Smedleys_Butler 0 points 2.3 yearsJan 1, 2023 23:43:38 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 2.3 yearsJan 1, 2023 23:50:10 ago (+0/-0)
Are you going to tell me the Holocaust happen because you're not a historian?
[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 1 point 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 15:45:25 ago (+4/-3)
I.E. it's extremely difficult(nigh impossible) to logically move somebody from an emotionally held position.
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 16:33:02 ago (+2/-2)
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[ + ] AmalekTheZOG
[ - ] AmalekTheZOG 0 points 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 17:52:54 ago (+0/-0)
However, you can entertain yourself proving how much of a stupid fucking nigger they are, OP is the real zoo deal!! 🦧
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[ - ] SecretHitler 0 points 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 22:35:28 ago (+0/-0)
Sounds like you've proven yourself wrong.
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 22:39:33 ago (+0/-0)
This would effect the distance of visibility. It will not unobstruct 2,000 ft of curvature.
You have answered with kike logic. Thank you. Try again.
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[ - ] SecretHitler 0 points 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 22:43:27 ago (+0/-0)
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[ + ] NotAntifa75
[ - ] NotAntifa75 0 points 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 19:20:16 ago (+0/-0)
At 60 miles you should drop 60 * 8 inches = 40 feet.
That pic shows the tops of buildings that might be missing about 40 feet.
Maybe the Earth is round?
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 19:46:15 ago (+0/-0)
https://files.catbox.moe/eg6g65.png
At 15 feet above sea level the horizon is 4.74 miles away.
An object 60 miles away will be obscured by 2036.12 feet.
Maybe you don't know how to read.
[ + ] sguevar
[ - ] sguevar 0 points 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 22:41:56 ago (+0/-0)
If The shore line is at sea level then my eyesight would be at 1,76 m. As sea level = 0.
If the Michigan shoreline is higher than sea level then the visibility is higher as well.
Where does this 15 feet come from?
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 22:58:19 ago (+0/-0)
Because I was being generous. 15 feet would produce less obstruction than say 5 or 6 foot eye level which would result in a higher number than 2000.
Exactly. That's why you have to put the height into the equation. I put over double the height of an average person. This would produce less obstruction than the reality of a person standing on the shoreline. Even with less obstruction, the number is still 2000 feet. The Willis Tower is the tallest building in Chicago. It stands at 1750 feet.
This is irrelevant. The equation is for curvature. As long as both the Chicago shoreline and the Michigan shoreline share the same height, curvature can be measured as if it is sea level.
I gave enough margin of era in favor of the curve fagg. Obviously we can put 6 foot in and I can say there's 2166 feet of obstruction but that is unnecessary when 15 feet produces 2035 feet of obstruction. The tallest building in Chicago is 1750 feet.
[ + ] sguevar
[ - ] sguevar 0 points 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 23:35:55 ago (+0/-0)
Your whole point uses just one picture but there are plenty showing the existence of the mirage. Or are you telling me they were all photoshopped?
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 23:51:13 ago (+0/-0)
I have a weather app on my phone that tells me what the visibility is each day. Weather can affect visibility. It can't affect curvature. If you can't understand the concept of fog impeding your vision then you are too kiked to ever understand what a mirage is.
No. A mirage is an inverted image caused by a reflection. We are not looking at an inverted image.
I'm telling you that mirages have to be inverted and are irrelevant anyway. Even if this was the only picture, which there are other examples such as lighthouses, mountains, ships, and so on, it would prove that there is no curvature.
[ + ] sguevar
[ - ] sguevar 1 point 2.3 yearsDec 31, 2022 01:03:52 ago (+1/-0)
I will restrain myself from calling out your obvious - lets call it "naivety" - that require you to simply default to calling someone kiked or kike by not holding your point of view. This just as a courtesy given the fact that you provided calculations which seem to fit your narrative but avoid other variables.
Regarding your app in the phone.That is irrelevant as well, and the reason for that is that in several pictures I have looked for which were taken from the same place, the mirage is not showing up. And I did this little research again as courtesy given the fact that you provided calculations. But then again... fitting your narrative.
Wrong. You are taking just one part of the definition to fit your narrative. The first definition is: "an optical phenomenon, especially in the desert or at sea, by which the image of some object appears displaced above, below, or to one side of its true position as a result of spatial variations of the index of refraction of air."
It doesn't necessarily means that it always have to be inverted. Specially not from a place that can reflect the light, such as the sea.
Additionally, what do you call an illusion of an oasis in the Desert? You don't see that inverted. You see it above the ground in the horizon due to what? a mirage.
What you tell me falls beside the point. Flat earthers always try to use some part of the whole scheme at convenience of what they want to say and when proven wrong the default into tantrums just as I have seen you do in your entire post.
"Muh people don't agree with me... they are kikes..."
It doesn't help your position and instead of proving to be right you keep digging your own hole where to crawl.
You asked for proofs, you can easily research pictures of the same place with different weather conditions in which the mirage does not appear. And see that in fact the illusion is posible.
If your reply is going to be something in the sorts of "muh you kiked or dumb" thing... well refrain from doing it... You can only project so much when you are incapable of listening to others, or agree to disagree... so in that tone... fuck off we are full.
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 2.3 yearsDec 31, 2022 01:41:11 ago (+0/-0)
There is no other variable. Weather does not create a special mirage that does not invert. It's impossible.
It literally tells you how far a human eye can see in the current weather conditions. Meaning that it's a perfectly acceptable explanation as to why you can't see something you might normally be able to see on a clear day.
For one, it's not a mirage. A mirage is a reflection. Reflections are inverted. Facts. But it is also very rare to have 100% visibility over 60 miles of water. Rare. Not impossible.
I don't care about definitions. The Holocaust will be defined as a genocide of 6 million jews. I only care about facts. You cannot provide me a single example of a mirage that is not inverted. The only examples that exist are when the curvature is in question. If it were possible, you could reproduce the results on a smaller scale.
That's why the definition is wrong. It's scientifically impossible for a reflection to not be inverted. Refraction is something different. Like a pencil in a glass of water making the pencil appear like two pieces. Or like fish in a river not being exactly were they appear when viewed outside of the water. Again, this phenomenon you speak of cannot be reproduced on a smaller scale. It only exists when the institutions that gave us the earth curvature is trying to explain why that curvature isn't hiding objects behind it.
Because I simply disproved curvature by using the calculations provided by the institutions that say there is curvature. The explanation I am given as to why it doesn't add up has no more credibility than telling me that Nazi gas chambers have wooden doors.
Reflections are inverted. There is no way around it.
If it is a mirage, it is an inverted reflections of the land onto the gasses above it. It might not be as recognizable as a building would be when inverted but it is inverted.
That's specifically my opinion here on voat. People here should be smart enough to understand how much influence kikes have over all of the major institutions. But to be in a place that denies the Holocaust, denies safe vaccines, denies global warming, denies school shootings, and so on, it's pretty obvious that there is an effort to defend institutional explanations for the lack of curvature. If this was elsewhere, I'd just call you a dumbass.
So on a foggy day when visibility is low and I can't see three car lengths in front of me, does that mean the earth curvature starts at two car lengths? How do you not understand that visibility has nothing to do with curvature but can affect the distance a human eye can see?
If curvature existed you would NEVER see the skyline. Weather phenomenons do not flatten out the Earth temporarily.
You are a dumb faggot that thinks an institutional explanation is proof.
[ + ] SecretHitler
[ - ] SecretHitler 0 points 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 19:06:31 ago (+0/-0)
I think flat earth is rediculous but I would change my mind if someone proved it well. You have to talk like a civilized human to do that though, and this includes recognizing that you're making an outrageous claim and treating the subject accordingly.
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[ - ] McNasty [op] -1 points 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 15:48:18 ago (+2/-3)
https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/earth-curvature
So can anyone explain how the skyline is casting a perfect non-inverted reflection 2000 feet above it and point out the "distorted mixture of up and down parts" that would occur due to the reflective surface being compromised of moving gasses that are not uniformly set?
And if you claim refraction can achieve such an effect, can you give an example of this phenomenon on a smaller scale? Because if it can't be reproduced on a smaller scale, then your argument is no different than telling me the Holocaust happened simply because people said it did.
[ + ] AmalekTheZOG
[ - ] AmalekTheZOG 1 point 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 17:47:23 ago (+1/-0)
State your lack of knowledge.
Demand others to educate you.
Read a book, nigger.
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 20:58:00 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] AmalekTheZOG
[ - ] AmalekTheZOG 0 points 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 21:03:49 ago (+0/-0)
Nigger you done drank your grape drank an smoked some more crack is all.
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[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 2.3 yearsDec 30, 2022 21:15:59 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Sector7
[ - ] Sector7 0 points 2.3 yearsDec 31, 2022 05:16:20 ago (+0/-0)
https://petapixel.com/2022/08/01/bizarre-floating-tanker-ship-is-rare-superior-mirage/
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 2.3 yearsDec 31, 2022 05:30:18 ago (+0/-0)
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-hovering-ship-fata-morgana-or-mirage-false-horizon.9112/
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[ - ] Sector7 0 points 2.3 yearsDec 31, 2022 06:37:15 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 2.3 yearsDec 31, 2022 15:24:17 ago (+0/-0)
This is the correct answer. Based on knowledge that can be verified, the earth curvature does not exist. This does not mean the person that recognizes this understands everything about existence but it does mean that any explanation for a phenomenon that would involve curvature is false.
So is the earth an infinite flat plane? I don't know. The Antarctic treaty prevents anyone from seeing what's at the edge of known existence. Therefore, all we have are new theories based on the fact that curvature does not exist. It's not fair to say a single theory is something all flat earthers believe.
[ + ] Sector7
[ - ] Sector7 0 points 2.3 yearsDec 31, 2022 19:07:10 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] 1 point 2.3 yearsDec 31, 2022 19:34:31 ago (+1/-0)
There is no indication of a globe without curvature. Every indication you mentioned can be theorized on a flat earth. Given that there is no curvature, these theories are more credible as opposed to theories base on curvature.
You mentioned things like "moon appearance." It should be impossible to see an illuminated moon in the daytime on a globe. This is possible on a flat earth.
As for the sun appearance, the sun should cast parallel lines down from the clouds if the earth was a globe and the sun was as far as they say. On a flat earth, the sun is local and would cast rays that fan out from the clouds like they are observed in reality.
Seasons can be explained on a flat earth by recognizing the sun's yearly behavior. It moves inward then outward then repeats creating the solstice's.
Sure. I don't know what you plan on achieving. It only takes one example of an object being visible beyond the supposed curvature to prove there is no curvature. The human eye's visibility has many limitations. Especially over bodies of water given the amount of moisture in the air. On rare occasions, it's possible to see objects further than normal. Those rare occasions prove there's no curvature.
Like I said, there are many limitations to what the human eye can see that has nothing to do with curvature. If you believe the dogma of curvature, it's easy to confuse these limitations as curvature.
[ + ] Sector7
[ - ] Sector7 0 points 2.3 yearsDec 31, 2022 21:21:00 ago (+0/-0)
Have you ever stood outside in the sun and looked to your right or left, and observed the sun shining on objects in either direction? The moon is just further away. Depending on the angles, a greater or lesser portion of the visible surface will be illuminated.
I've exchanged comments with some of the most dedicated flatters over the years, and only one so far has even acknowledged a video by the reddit douche known as professor dave explains. Specifically, his flat earth debunkings. It's pretty clear why they see his videos as their kryptonite, but still disappointing in the face of what should be an easy win. If the earth were actually flat.
In his 'debunkings' playlist section, if you're interested. He goes into detail on the seasons, sun and moon appearance, and a bunch more.
But still, seeing the curve, or lack of curve, for ones self is superior to any theoretical 'proofs' one way or another. What I'll achieve once I finally get around to it is acquiring my own legitimate data and seeing for myself. Pictures and images on the internet aren't real, and are often faked. Much of 'official' reality is faked by TPTB, so skepticism is the smart way to go.
The problem here is if flat earth theorists can't refute a debunking by a 'professor dave' type, the theory basically dies of cringe.
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 2.3 yearsDec 31, 2022 22:14:38 ago (+0/-0)
I've observed objects that would be impossible to see if curvature exists. I will not bend to the dogma that curvature exists.
As for how the sun works, there are other theories that don't involve curvature. For instance, I happened to believe it is very possible that the sun ionizes noble gases in the either (not atmosphere because the earth isn't a sphere) and we call that illumination "daylight." There is a difference between sunlight and daylight. It's why sunset's can appear pink or purple and rare phenomenons like the sky appearing green can happen. It's why the sky mostly has a blue tint.
He is a jackass that doesn't even address the actual argument. He sticks to straw man arguments every time. Regardless, there is no curvature. Period. It is proven. Dogma won't accept it.
No I'm not interested. I've seen his videos through flat earth channels that tear his videos apart. He does not undebunk curvature. We've established there is no curvature. His theories are as credible as wooden door gas chambers.
The only thing he can debunk are dumb theories from "flat earth society" which is controlled opposition. It's their job to push ridiculous theories that can easily be debunked.
No. Not at all. That's your problem. Look how many people thought they saw a "superior mirage" when it was easily identified as a false horizon when changing the color temperature in the photo. It would be unreliable to rely on an uncritical observation.
Look up the YouTube channel "dirty." They debunk Dave all the time. They have more credibility than Dave because they don't pretend like curvature exists. Dave subscribes to the dogma and claims images like the Chicago skyline are mirages yet ignores anyone that asks for proof.
You calling something cringe means nothing. You believe there is curvature when is is easily debunkable.
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