[ - ] oyblat 1 point 2.5 yearsDec 26, 2022 16:08:10 ago (+1/-0)
This was proven to be false. All the "scientists' involved were jews and it was used to be show how the " evil Nazis" could have harmed the sweet innocent jews in the hollowhoax.
[ - ] parrygrin 1 point 2.5 yearsDec 26, 2022 13:02:21 ago (+1/-0)
The Milgram experiment is taught wrong in basically every Psych 101 classroom in the world. The results of the baseline trial are presented as the definitive conclusion.
It still has relevance to Covid, but it's more nuanced. I'd say the bigger takeaway is about the censorship of dissenting experts.
I think the nuance is important because the situation is truly less of a black pill.
People aren't necessarily that bad, and censors can be shot. Take heart.
[ - ] CHIRO 1 point 2.5 yearsDec 26, 2022 08:32:57 ago (+1/-0)
I recall studying these experiments fairly extensively at university. People tend to underestimate their own susceptibility to groupthink. When told about most of these experiments, entire classrooms clutch their pearls, not realizing 90% of them are doing the exact same thing almost every day.
Once a civilization hits a certain stage of technological development, reality per se is less relevant in immediate decision-making contexts than the reality of the human opinion-making collective you're a part of. That's just to say that past a certain point in civilization, the relevant adaptive part of your environment (the threat that stands to hurt you most often) just is other human worldviews.
We see this play out every day. Most people who "went with" the Covid pandemic, the mask-wearing and the vaccines weren't doing so because they had a sophisticated map of the territory. Something made it easier for them to conform than not to. That's all it is. Morality and moral-talk has become mostly a token in this world, a pawn we play in social games.
[ - ] fnbs 1 point 2.5 yearsDec 26, 2022 14:04:24 ago (+1/-0)
I had some fat mask wearing liberal bitch yell at me for that very reason in the grocery store last year, i snapped back very quickly calling her a liberal sheep and to mind her own business... it shut her up in a hurry
What is the quote? "A person is smart but people are dumb"?
Collectivism fails because it is dragged down by the weight of its lowest performing member. You are either forced to raise the standards of the team or defer to a strong individual with dictatorial powers.
In a sense, these studies demonstrate both. The susceptibility of the group social pressure from a ill-informed majority and their willingness to hand over autonomy to a dictator.
This is closeted and disguised anti-religious propaganda. Not the experiments but the framing of how it is only about conformity since religion requires conformity. Get this shit the fuck off of here.
I think it is about central authority broadly. It could certainly be used against religion, and I've heard these experiments cited when talking about the stereotypical conservative-Christian father figure. Ya know, the patriarch that runs a rigorous household and lords over his family.
I wouldn't say that it's a weapon against religion specifically. In general, people will to great lengths to avoid being independent agents when they don't know what the consequences could be. We think of a hero as someone who does what they believe is right even in the face of the unknown. That's why heroes are rare.
The people who were pushing the button at the instruction of the experimenters (nobody was actually shocked; they just played screaming sounds from the other room) may very well have thought what they were doing was wrong, but the relevant consideration was this: standing up and saying no to an authority had unforeseen consequences. Now, these consequences don't require that a person gets their ass beaten for refusing. The consequence could be lost opportunity. You see this happen in ordinary life constantly. The reason a bully tends to be socially successful is because even though his allies think what he/she is doing is wrong, they recognize that, in general, their opportunities are greater being allied with the strongest.
[ + ] oyblat
[ - ] oyblat 1 point 2.5 yearsDec 26, 2022 16:08:10 ago (+1/-0)
Bullshit studies.
[ + ] parrygrin
[ - ] parrygrin 1 point 2.5 yearsDec 26, 2022 13:02:21 ago (+1/-0)
It still has relevance to Covid, but it's more nuanced. I'd say the bigger takeaway is about the censorship of dissenting experts.
I think the nuance is important because the situation is truly less of a black pill.
People aren't necessarily that bad, and censors can be shot. Take heart.
https://radiolab.org/episodes/180092-the-bad-show
[ + ] SecretHitler
[ - ] SecretHitler 0 points 2.5 yearsDec 26, 2022 18:09:02 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Clubberlang
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[ + ] CHIRO
[ - ] CHIRO 1 point 2.5 yearsDec 26, 2022 08:32:57 ago (+1/-0)
Once a civilization hits a certain stage of technological development, reality per se is less relevant in immediate decision-making contexts than the reality of the human opinion-making collective you're a part of. That's just to say that past a certain point in civilization, the relevant adaptive part of your environment (the threat that stands to hurt you most often) just is other human worldviews.
We see this play out every day. Most people who "went with" the Covid pandemic, the mask-wearing and the vaccines weren't doing so because they had a sophisticated map of the territory. Something made it easier for them to conform than not to. That's all it is. Morality and moral-talk has become mostly a token in this world, a pawn we play in social games.
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[ - ] con77 2 points 2.5 yearsDec 26, 2022 10:55:59 ago (+2/-0)
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[ + ] Feelsgood
[ - ] Feelsgood 0 points 2.5 yearsDec 26, 2022 11:39:27 ago (+0/-0)
Collectivism fails because it is dragged down by the weight of its lowest performing member. You are either forced to raise the standards of the team or defer to a strong individual with dictatorial powers.
In a sense, these studies demonstrate both. The susceptibility of the group social pressure from a ill-informed majority and their willingness to hand over autonomy to a dictator.
[ + ] AntiPostmodernist
[ - ] AntiPostmodernist 0 points 2.5 yearsDec 26, 2022 10:36:50 ago (+0/-0)
Regardless of they beleived in a consequence-based or rules-based morality in other situations.
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[ - ] solomonpapermaster 1 point 2.5 yearsDec 26, 2022 10:42:31 ago (+1/-0)
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[ - ] Teefinyomouf 2 points 2.5 yearsDec 26, 2022 08:21:23 ago (+2/-0)
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[ + ] totes_magotes
[ - ] totes_magotes -2 points 2.5 yearsDec 26, 2022 07:57:44 ago (+0/-2)
Get the fuck off this site.
[ + ] CHIRO
[ - ] CHIRO 0 points 2.5 yearsDec 26, 2022 08:40:42 ago (+0/-0)*
I wouldn't say that it's a weapon against religion specifically. In general, people will to great lengths to avoid being independent agents when they don't know what the consequences could be. We think of a hero as someone who does what they believe is right even in the face of the unknown. That's why heroes are rare.
The people who were pushing the button at the instruction of the experimenters (nobody was actually shocked; they just played screaming sounds from the other room) may very well have thought what they were doing was wrong, but the relevant consideration was this: standing up and saying no to an authority had unforeseen consequences. Now, these consequences don't require that a person gets their ass beaten for refusing. The consequence could be lost opportunity. You see this happen in ordinary life constantly. The reason a bully tends to be socially successful is because even though his allies think what he/she is doing is wrong, they recognize that, in general, their opportunities are greater being allied with the strongest.
[ + ] UncleDoug
[ - ] UncleDoug -1 points 2.5 yearsDec 26, 2022 06:20:24 ago (+0/-1)