Another user wrote "It seems to me, as sad as it is and as much as it makes me look like a defeatist for saying it, that every single big name, barring a minuscule few exceptions who I don't know, every single public figure is a shill even if they're antisemites even if they're far right still if they're real big and real prominent it's almost certain."
And I want to talk about that with you all for a moment.
It starts with building your own leaders and public figures.
Treat it almost like a military operation. The people you put forward are all fronts. Running something like that requires people to cover operations, intelligence, and logistics. Instead of violence, which is useless against an overwhelming well equipped enemy, your job now becomes propaganda and agitprop. Like all guerillas your goal is to survive no matter what, in order to continue to destabilize the regime, to sow doubt, discord, and a loss of legitimacy for the junta--To outlast them and create so many internal divisions that they collapse, their economy collapses, their foreign alliances collapse, and they begin politically infighting to a level that paralyzes effective governance.
If the intelligence agencies and domestic secret police can do it to the public, the public can do it to them.
1. Get in shape 2. Get moral 3. Get out of jew debt 4. Get a white woman have lots of kids 5. Get a off grid homestead going (Get out of cities) 6. Practice skills daily
Do all this while having fun and making like minded friend. Become the new modern Amish
Mormons and Amish proved this works we need a new version
Yalk hate him but Owen benjamin is creating this as we speak. Don't like Owen fine your probably a shill. You are smarter and better then Owen so get a show going do three hours a day and get a following and inspire a white only version of beartaria...
Whitaria or come up with your own but promote whites to get in shape get moral have lots of kids and name the jew
owen is not creating this. He's a kike scamming money from retards like you. lol He's a jew boy, married a nasty beaner who looks like a man, had ugly mongoloid looking retard kids, fakes having a homestead to grift money. How the fuck do you retards think rural white folks have lived forever?? and they do not want you dipshits moving into their areas. anyone here who wants to see the truth about owen benjewman then look at the owen sub at reddit. they keep track of his scams and hate for jesus christ.
I think we should shed our self doubt and maybe give it a go ourselves. If these kikes and cucks can make some money in media we can give it a shot too.
Don't put forward one leader, put a bunch of them out, and have tem all support each other.
Most wannabe dissident politicians fail because they go it solo, you need other people trying for other positions who you can trust to help you, and who can trust in you to help them as well.
This will be hard, but political victories only come from coordinated group activity.
You will need people working outside of politics to back you up too, to do some mob type shit in the background, especially when seizing power from the bottom, that means doing the stuff tat organized crime does when they seek to take things over.
Just look at every politician today, they all had their dirty work people who they kept in the shadows, and who would do what they could not to be tracked back to their politician friends when caught. Groups like AntiFa or BLM recently showed themselves a bit too publicly, they were the mob enforcers for the establishment in America and the world, but on top of that there were many other organized groups doing crime and wreaking the political force of violence in the name of those who hold power, the establishment knows it's best to have more than one group of criminals working for you, that way when one group of organized crime or terrorists goes rogue or starts feeling a bit too big for you to control, you can call upon the other guys to come in and hammer the nail that sticks out back into it's hole. BTW, when you get really big you can sort of legitimize your force for cri9minal activities by using officially sanctioned criminal groups like the FBI, CIA, NSA, ATF, IRS, and more.
Another thing you will need will be a cult, a group of diehard supporters who will do anything to put you and your allies in power and keep you all there, these types need to be brainwashed into backing you with everything they have no matter what you do. By the word "cult" I don't mean a religious movement (though it could also be that), I'm using the clinical definition, which includes even the cults that reject any supernatural, fantastic, or science fiction elements, you often form them under the guise of some cover operation or institution. For example; the cults of the current political elite were formed in university campuses, and they are still there, still recruiting, and still getting paid huge sums for their loyalty in keeping the cult going.
All this you need, the problem is that you will be attacked for having any of this, wile those who used these exact things to take power and still have them in place keeping them in power while they seize more of it are almost completely immune from being attacked for being associated with any of these practices.
People know, but it's the status quo and these types are already at the top of the food chain, so no one cares, you, however, are a novel occurrence and as you are starting out you are also weak and vulnerable, the media is controlled by your enemies and the people are controlled by the media and so you will be eaten alive for anything you say or do that is even somewhat shady.
Here's the thing to remember, love follows after fear, to be loved you must first be feared, focus on cultivating fear of yourself first, get people to see you as an intimidating threat, or as someone who has something they need, make them think they want to avoid offending you, preferably because they expect some significant negative consequence to follow from causing you offense, and eventually you can use that to cultivate love for you and your rule.
Look to the muslims for a good example: before the 2010s islamophobia was not a thing, people openly mocked islam and muslims and their countries all the time. It was only after a series of terrorist attacks led to the expectation that offending muslims meant that a horrible attack would soon follow that people began to care about not upsetting the muslims. Islamophobia became a popular word almost overnight, in time the muslims used this fear to gain power, and then used this power to make people start to love them. By this I mean that people would begin to go out of their way to defend muslims from criticism and would also attack those who they thought might offend muslims. Later people would go out of their way to talk up the muslims and islam, all the positive traits were amplified and very readily publicized, everyone wanted to see the good side of these people and their religion, and all the bad tings they did or negative parts of themselves and their beliefs were being ignored, downplayed, or excused in some way. People wanted to love them because they were powerful, and they were powerful because they were feared, the love for them came after fear of them.
Fear is preferable to love, get fear first and make sure everyone respects you out of fear, then you could possibly use that fear to acquire power, and ten use that power to cultivate love, if love doesn't come to you regardless.
The thing is this: as a leader you can only gain love if you have power, it costs power to buy love.
To gain power you need fear, fear is the source of all power, that you can deny someone something they want, or that you could give someone something they do not want, or take something from them that they wish to keep.
Fear can be purchased relatively cheaply, a simple show of how much of a threat you are is enough, that you could hurt them if you chose to, and that you have the will to hurt them in some way if they do not cater to your demands.
When cultivating fear what you need is to develop a reputation, and that comes from shaping people's expectations of you, it's operant conditioning, if they don't do what you want or if they do what you don't want them to do, they will expect to experience a negative consequence, as a result they will begin to listen to what you have to say.
They may very well not recognize themselves as fearing you or obeying you out of fear, but underneath all the layers of social covering, that's exactly what your relationship is. Fear is of the utmost importance.
Think about a relationship between a boyfriend and girlfriend, it's a good healthy and loving relationship, but fear also underlies it. The boyfriend is very keen to show his girlfriend that he does not forget their anniversary, why? because he knows that there could be what he perceives as major negative consequences for him if he does not remember their anniversary, he fears what she might do to him, she might be upset with him, which is unpleasant for him, she might deny him sex that night, also a feared possibility, or deny him when he asks her to marry him, an even worse potentiality, she might even break up with him, unlikely as it is a bit of an overreaction, but for him it's still within the realm of possibility, what if she spreads rumors about him when chatting to her friends? she might tell them that he forgot their anniversary and it would damage both his reputation and feeling of self worth, on tat note she might openly criticize him for missing their anniversary, and that would hurt his self image, even if nobody but him hears it, also perhaps missing the anniversary might be a portend of their relationship, it may reflect poorly on him as being a bad boyfriend to her, or as a bad boyfriend in general.
She does not have to be in any way threatening to him in order to get this kind of reaction, it is merely that he knows that she CAN hurt him in many ways, and knowing that the girlfriend might be WILLING to hurt him in some way if he forgets that he goes out of his way not to miss their anniversary date.
But read some Nichollo Machiavelli, Sun Tzu, Saul Alinsky, and any other political strategists/tacticians/philosophers/experts that you can.
May I recommend a book called "rules for rulers"? It's an interesting response to "rules for radicals".
There have been plenty of books on political power written throughout history, since it's mainly about human psychology, they all apply regardless of what era they were written in.
Also, science has a lot to say as well, you must understand things like game theory which are on the logical side, and behaviorism which is on the psychological side, if you are to stand a chance of winning, evolutionary psychology in particular is a great marriage of logic (optimal possibility) and science (actual practice) on the subject.
I'm not building any group, and I don't take any talk of terrorism, crime, or violence seriously. These are unserious topics for unserious people.
" People know, but it's the status quo and these types are already at the top of the food chain, so no one cares, you, however, are a novel occurrence and as you are starting out you are also weak and vulnerable, the media is controlled by your enemies and the people are controlled by the media and so you will be eaten alive for anything you say or do that is even somewhat shady."
The assumption is you build a core support network that builds multiple front groups that fight. So when the media attacks one group, you may have another group side with the media. The media's attack then effectively becomes an endorsement of the group that "agrees" with the media. And theres nothing they can do against this sort of parasitism on their own control of public attention and legitimacy.
Immitate the enemy: have groups infight intentionally in order to throw off media's subversion and suck in the public to support one group or another.
Thats why the formation of a core support network/working group is critical: The goal isn't a political party. The goal is coordinated-party-infighting-as-ablative-shielding and gaming the media and intelligence agencies control over what groups are considered 'legitimate' or not.
This is then duplicated at all levels. So within a given party, you have candidates artificially squabbling. With people you trust, you could even gaming it for funding by actively entrapping intelligence agencies like the FBI, and then exposing and sueing by jurisdiction shopping. You see normally what they do is infiltrate and play people against each other to undermine the right to politically organize / suppress people politically. But if you have a limited hangout in every group, candidates and officials that appear vulnerable, the idiots in these agencies will 'co-opt them'.
And then its all running up the score.
Right up to the moment the people they "co-opted" appear in court to testify against the agencies.
For operations like that to be effective you need 1. people who work counter-intelligence to verify your candidates 2. handlers and training to prepare people for these kinds of operations 3. a very clear understanding of people's roles and what the goal of their positions are, operationally.
The goal at every turn should be to subvert their operations where their operation are unlawful, and like whistleblowers, use the courts to punish them and as a consequence profit legally from the agencies illegal actions.
This is similar to the bottom up approach of the precinct strategy, where legal avenues, whistleblowers, and hidden camera operations are used to pit the executive (intelligence and spying agencies) against the judicial. Where they are baited into legally exposing and hurting their budgets, operations, and legitimacy.
[ + ] Doglegwarrior
[ - ] Doglegwarrior -1 points 2.5 yearsDec 4, 2022 22:26:08 ago (+0/-1)
1. Get in shape
2. Get moral
3. Get out of jew debt
4. Get a white woman have lots of kids
5. Get a off grid homestead going (Get out of cities)
6. Practice skills daily
Do all this while having fun and making like minded friend. Become the new modern Amish
Mormons and Amish proved this works we need a new version
Yalk hate him but Owen benjamin is creating this as we speak. Don't like Owen fine your probably a shill. You are smarter and better then Owen so get a show going do three hours a day and get a following and inspire a white only version of beartaria...
Whitaria or come up with your own but promote whites to get in shape get moral have lots of kids and name the jew
[ + ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic
[ - ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic 0 points 2.5 yearsDec 5, 2022 01:41:42 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] anthonylancer
[ - ] anthonylancer 0 points 2.5 yearsDec 4, 2022 21:55:31 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] AntiPostmodernist
[ - ] AntiPostmodernist 1 point 2.5 yearsDec 4, 2022 18:27:01 ago (+1/-0)
Don't put forward one leader, put a bunch of them out, and have tem all support each other.
Most wannabe dissident politicians fail because they go it solo, you need other people trying for other positions who you can trust to help you, and who can trust in you to help them as well.
This will be hard, but political victories only come from coordinated group activity.
You will need people working outside of politics to back you up too, to do some mob type shit in the background, especially when seizing power from the bottom, that means doing the stuff tat organized crime does when they seek to take things over.
Just look at every politician today, they all had their dirty work people who they kept in the shadows, and who would do what they could not to be tracked back to their politician friends when caught. Groups like AntiFa or BLM recently showed themselves a bit too publicly, they were the mob enforcers for the establishment in America and the world, but on top of that there were many other organized groups doing crime and wreaking the political force of violence in the name of those who hold power, the establishment knows it's best to have more than one group of criminals working for you, that way when one group of organized crime or terrorists goes rogue or starts feeling a bit too big for you to control, you can call upon the other guys to come in and hammer the nail that sticks out back into it's hole. BTW, when you get really big you can sort of legitimize your force for cri9minal activities by using officially sanctioned criminal groups like the FBI, CIA, NSA, ATF, IRS, and more.
Another thing you will need will be a cult, a group of diehard supporters who will do anything to put you and your allies in power and keep you all there, these types need to be brainwashed into backing you with everything they have no matter what you do. By the word "cult" I don't mean a religious movement (though it could also be that), I'm using the clinical definition, which includes even the cults that reject any supernatural, fantastic, or science fiction elements, you often form them under the guise of some cover operation or institution. For example; the cults of the current political elite were formed in university campuses, and they are still there, still recruiting, and still getting paid huge sums for their loyalty in keeping the cult going.
All this you need, the problem is that you will be attacked for having any of this, wile those who used these exact things to take power and still have them in place keeping them in power while they seize more of it are almost completely immune from being attacked for being associated with any of these practices.
People know, but it's the status quo and these types are already at the top of the food chain, so no one cares, you, however, are a novel occurrence and as you are starting out you are also weak and vulnerable, the media is controlled by your enemies and the people are controlled by the media and so you will be eaten alive for anything you say or do that is even somewhat shady.
Here's the thing to remember, love follows after fear, to be loved you must first be feared, focus on cultivating fear of yourself first, get people to see you as an intimidating threat, or as someone who has something they need, make them think they want to avoid offending you, preferably because they expect some significant negative consequence to follow from causing you offense, and eventually you can use that to cultivate love for you and your rule.
Look to the muslims for a good example: before the 2010s islamophobia was not a thing, people openly mocked islam and muslims and their countries all the time.
It was only after a series of terrorist attacks led to the expectation that offending muslims meant that a horrible attack would soon follow that people began to care about not upsetting the muslims.
Islamophobia became a popular word almost overnight, in time the muslims used this fear to gain power, and then used this power to make people start to love them.
By this I mean that people would begin to go out of their way to defend muslims from criticism and would also attack those who they thought might offend muslims.
Later people would go out of their way to talk up the muslims and islam, all the positive traits were amplified and very readily publicized, everyone wanted to see the good side of these people and their religion, and all the bad tings they did or negative parts of themselves and their beliefs were being ignored, downplayed, or excused in some way.
People wanted to love them because they were powerful, and they were powerful because they were feared, the love for them came after fear of them.
Fear is preferable to love, get fear first and make sure everyone respects you out of fear, then you could possibly use that fear to acquire power, and ten use that power to cultivate love, if love doesn't come to you regardless.
The thing is this: as a leader you can only gain love if you have power, it costs power to buy love.
To gain power you need fear, fear is the source of all power, that you can deny someone something they want, or that you could give someone something they do not want, or take something from them that they wish to keep.
Fear can be purchased relatively cheaply, a simple show of how much of a threat you are is enough, that you could hurt them if you chose to, and that you have the will to hurt them in some way if they do not cater to your demands.
When cultivating fear what you need is to develop a reputation, and that comes from shaping people's expectations of you, it's operant conditioning, if they don't do what you want or if they do what you don't want them to do, they will expect to experience a negative consequence, as a result they will begin to listen to what you have to say.
They may very well not recognize themselves as fearing you or obeying you out of fear, but underneath all the layers of social covering, that's exactly what your relationship is. Fear is of the utmost importance.
Think about a relationship between a boyfriend and girlfriend, it's a good healthy and loving relationship, but fear also underlies it. The boyfriend is very keen to show his girlfriend that he does not forget their anniversary, why? because he knows that there could be what he perceives as major negative consequences for him if he does not remember their anniversary, he fears what she might do to him, she might be upset with him, which is unpleasant for him, she might deny him sex that night, also a feared possibility, or deny him when he asks her to marry him, an even worse potentiality, she might even break up with him, unlikely as it is a bit of an overreaction, but for him it's still within the realm of possibility, what if she spreads rumors about him when chatting to her friends? she might tell them that he forgot their anniversary and it would damage both his reputation and feeling of self worth, on tat note she might openly criticize him for missing their anniversary, and that would hurt his self image, even if nobody but him hears it, also perhaps missing the anniversary might be a portend of their relationship, it may reflect poorly on him as being a bad boyfriend to her, or as a bad boyfriend in general.
She does not have to be in any way threatening to him in order to get this kind of reaction, it is merely that he knows that she CAN hurt him in many ways, and knowing that the girlfriend might be WILLING to hurt him in some way if he forgets that he goes out of his way not to miss their anniversary date.
[ + ] Stonkmar
[ - ] Stonkmar 1 point 2.5 yearsDec 4, 2022 19:23:20 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Peleg
[ - ] Peleg 0 points 2.5 yearsDec 4, 2022 18:38:54 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] AntiPostmodernist
[ - ] AntiPostmodernist 1 point 2.5 yearsDec 4, 2022 18:46:23 ago (+1/-0)
But read some Nichollo Machiavelli, Sun Tzu, Saul Alinsky, and any other political strategists/tacticians/philosophers/experts that you can.
May I recommend a book called "rules for rulers"? It's an interesting response to "rules for radicals".
There have been plenty of books on political power written throughout history, since it's mainly about human psychology, they all apply regardless of what era they were written in.
Also, science has a lot to say as well, you must understand things like game theory which are on the logical side, and behaviorism which is on the psychological side, if you are to stand a chance of winning, evolutionary psychology in particular is a great marriage of logic (optimal possibility) and science (actual practice) on the subject.
[ + ] prototype
[ - ] prototype [op] -1 points 2.5 yearsDec 4, 2022 18:58:33 ago (+0/-1)
"
People know, but it's the status quo and these types are already at the top of the food chain, so no one cares, you, however, are a novel occurrence and as you are starting out you are also weak and vulnerable, the media is controlled by your enemies and the people are controlled by the media and so you will be eaten alive for anything you say or do that is even somewhat shady."
The assumption is you build a core support network that builds multiple front groups that fight.
So when the media attacks one group, you may have another group side with the media.
The media's attack then effectively becomes an endorsement of the group that "agrees" with the media.
And theres nothing they can do against this sort of parasitism on their own control of public attention and legitimacy.
Immitate the enemy: have groups infight intentionally in order to throw off media's subversion and suck in the public to support one group or another.
Thats why the formation of a core support network/working group is critical: The goal isn't a political party. The goal is coordinated-party-infighting-as-ablative-shielding and gaming the media and intelligence agencies control over what groups are considered 'legitimate' or not.
This is then duplicated at all levels. So within a given party, you have candidates artificially squabbling. With people you trust, you could even gaming it for funding by actively entrapping intelligence agencies like the FBI, and then exposing and sueing by jurisdiction shopping. You see normally what they do is infiltrate and play people against each other to undermine the right to politically organize / suppress people politically. But if you have a limited hangout in every group, candidates and officials that appear vulnerable, the idiots in these agencies will 'co-opt them'.
And then its all running up the score.
Right up to the moment the people they "co-opted" appear in court to testify against the agencies.
For operations like that to be effective you need
1. people who work counter-intelligence to verify your candidates
2. handlers and training to prepare people for these kinds of operations
3. a very clear understanding of people's roles and what the goal of their positions are, operationally.
The goal at every turn should be to subvert their operations where their operation are unlawful, and like whistleblowers, use the courts to punish them and as a consequence profit legally from the agencies illegal actions.
This is similar to the bottom up approach of the precinct strategy, where legal avenues, whistleblowers, and hidden camera operations are used to pit the executive (intelligence and spying agencies) against the judicial. Where they are baited into legally exposing and hurting their budgets, operations, and legitimacy.
Thats my thinking on the topic anyway.