I recommend spending a full year on the property before building any permanent structures. Spend as much time outside as possible and observe where the Sun rises each morning and how the prevalent winds shift with the seasons.
[ - ] mannerbund [op] 1 point 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 15:58:49 ago (+1/-0)
Sounds like a good plan, thank you. I do plan on getting some out buildings built eventually- waiting a year doesn't seem like a big deal in the scheme of things to learn the pros and cons of the layout.
You have more land than I do, how deep do you want to go? I started with three acres and I'm in the process of buying the neighboring two.
I have chickens, two mini jersey cows, veggies and fruits. I grew a wheat crop this year, way more grain than I thought it would be. I also have a birch grove I use for firewood.
Sheep is a hard sell for the food, the wool might be nice. I grew up on cow, and have not been able to get into the taste of sheep.
Cows on this size land are probably not a good idea, so I'm leaning towards goat and crops, with some additional hunting to augment meat. We've already got a whole local grass fed cow in the freezer, so trading with the dairy farmers is probably the most advantageous for us.
My goal is to expand our garden to be more than just a side hobby, to increase our chicken count from 8 to maybe 16, and to add some additional animals to the mix (goats most likely).
I've not grown wheat before, that sounds like it would be a good staple, we've focused on potatoes for the nutrition density and ease of care mostly.
I'm not sure I intend to grow old and die on the land, but I do intend for it to be a "safer" haven than my current residence given the tumultuous times we are in.
That sounds like a great plan. We had six chickens, but now it's four. Six hens laid too many eggs for us, I can imagine what sixteen would do to me!
I sat down and planned my setup on a the drafting board for nearly two weeks. I use crop rotation and companion farming, never had any major issues with disease or bugs (thank you marigolds). It's been way simpler than I thought, it just takes the willpower to keep going even when you want to stop. I know that sounds gay as shit, doesn't make it untrue.
I don't know much about farming or farming equipment but you might consider an older model without all of the electronics. I am led to believe repair costs are ridiculous and they can only be done by an authorized dealer.
[ - ] mannerbund [op] 1 point 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 16:04:37 ago (+1/-0)
Fuck yeah, very nice resource. I'll have to peruse through and see what catches my eye. I was half joking with the wife about work horses and a plough, given the gas/diesel situation.
Before you buy a tractor, befriend some neighbors. If you are useful to them in some way, they will probably let you use their toys for cheap.
Get some experience before you buy for yourself.
Find out what equipment nobody has in the area and buy that. Make sure everyone knows you have it. Offer it up for people who are useful to you to use.
In this way, you'll have every piece of equipment you need.
Very smart, my aunt and uncle are relatively close with an older smaller tractor and skid steer, looking around there's not a lot of farming going on as it's pretty mostly undeveloped with some vineyards and smaller farms spotting the land here and there.
See, there you go. Tell your uncle you'll pay to get his equipment tuned up if he lets you use it. There, you just bought a tractor and skid steer for $1,000.
Now if old Abe Lincoln hadn't been so darn quick to let the biological farm equipment have their "freedom" , you'd have plenty of farm equipment to choose from with all sorts of names fancier than John Deere! How bout a Darquevrious Washington for the back forty cotton? Then y'all git yourself a nice Shartraveous for the kitchen work and the chores the wife doesn't want too do (wink wink). With the glut of biological farm implements in this here coontry now, I reckon near 12% the populace now, those mammy's be shoving those extra farm hands your way!
I hatched my first clutch about 2 months ago. 4 fucking roosters out of 7 hatched eggs. Now I have 6 goddamn roosters waking me up at 4:30 every fucking morning. Somebody gonna get smoked soon, slow and low if you know what I mean
We had 4 out of our group turn out roosters, they were supposed to be sexed but I got them for a $1 each from Tractor Supply at the end of the season. Another month and they're going in the freezer. If you do the same, age them in the fridge for a few days before you freeze or eat them, otherwise they'll be tough as nails.
[ - ] Laputois 1 point 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 10:19:14 ago (+1/-0)
The only sucessful chicken sexers are asians for some reason. The small town I grew up in main economy was a chicken producer. They imported asians in to manage the brooding.
Older roosters arent great eating, but if you harvest em within a couple weeks of when they start crowing they are really nice. Its just part of the chicken game to eat the excess roosters.
Be prepared for failures and setbacks. Just expect stupid shit to happen, but don't let it get you down. The next year will be the hardest due to learning curve. I bought 3 acres of undeveloped land in Hawaii about a year ago and even though it's been a hard adventure, I love it. However about a third of the advice I've been given by more established locals has done more harm than good. Tend to your four corners of earth as you see fit, the worst vice is advice.
[ - ] Name 1 point 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 10:26:25 ago (+1/-0)
Do either of you Hawaii-Niggers go all the way back to whoaverse or whatever atko called it before voat? If so I always enjoyed the pictures you posted and I hope you’re doing well.
Dumb shit seems to happen a lot. I help my aging dad on his off-grid property about 20 miles away, 2 acres on the shady side of the mountain, backed by government protected lands.
The radio networks seem lively too, so I'm hoping to network in relatively quickly with the local repeater net.
Heh, I'm in a town of ~600 people right now, with no major cities near by. So I don't think I'll recognize a big change there. Luckily, none of the kids have any desire to move into big cities. They hate them every time we visit or pass through them.
Pace yourself on the projects. The land aint going anywhere. Plant nut and fruit trees if ya can and a clover patch here and there to bring in the whitetail. Congratulations, young man. Enjoy your land and working it.
[ - ] mannerbund [op] 1 point 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 16:11:33 ago (+1/-0)
I'm planning on fruit trees on the lower sections of the land which have better sky view. Good advice though, I will plant them further to the back of the lot than closer to the house.
[ - ] mannerbund [op] 1 point 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 16:14:33 ago (+1/-0)
$60k-80k on the site, less in the stores, and less still if bought used. Being loaded is relative, money comes and goes, I've gotten some lately and I want to put it to good use. The older antique tractors might be a better overall investment though. Keeping money in the bank, stocks, etc, seems like a crap show and I've done good to invest in lead, food and food storage, and hopefully now a better means to make our own food.
The problem with the John Deere machinery that is from the newer generation is that you have no right to repair and obsolescence is built in like an iPhone. I know nothing about tractors and such, but maybe look into CAT or other brands where you can repair less expensively.
The thought has crossed my mind, I'm planning a visit to my father in-laws to pick his brain over the very topic. He worked at a JD shop for years as a mechanic. Hopefully he'll have some good insight into competing brands, trends, and actual serviceability.
Don't start with animals first. Start with stuff, which doesn't need a lot of maintenance and time. Sauna is always a good start, but you amerifags don't understand this culture.
[ - ] mannerbund [op] 1 point 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 16:17:15 ago (+1/-0)
We've done saunas on the river in tarp built structures. Those were good fun, and when you were done you jumped into the freezing river and felt like you were finally alive. Good advice!
Sauna, man, is the A and O of any land development, but not in warm climates. Back in the old days, when people got new land, they didn't build a house first, but some small shack, where they could warm up while developing land. One of the rooms quickly turned into very warm room and it was specifically to live through a winter. It was cost efficient too, no need to heat too much space. So that's the start of sauna "culture", which was actually a necessity back in the past. Later, when a house was built, people moved into a house, but sometimes when winters were harsher than usual, some families again moved into the sauna rooms/complex. Some houses started from sauna and then built a house around it. Nowadays, sauna is still the best thing to do as a first building, except in warm climates. First, that's a good practice in building stuff. You fuck up a sauna, not a big loss. You fuck up a house, that's a big loss. Then, sauna is good for health. Also, sauna is a good social place to gather and chill out, especially for men. You will have a "man-cave" from the start. I pity you, for not experiencing all the wonderful things in this life.
if you start using your own seeds, make sure to not plant cucumbers next to pumpkins, they can interbreed and become poisonous. a farmer in Germany died from it.
a movable chicken coop, built on a trailer, with mobile fencing around, lets you use your loand quickly and fertilizes the ground. just move the trailer when the chickens have almost destroyed the patch they are on.
a greenhouse, obviously.. if you are in colder climate, you can dig 15 foot trenches, lay pipe into them, bury that and build your greenhouse ontop. install a ventilator, and the warm air from under the earth keeps your crops from freezing, so you can grow lettuce and other things throughout the winter.
get good at canning stuff.
be sure to have enough storage area underground.
agroforrest concept:
you plant rows of trees with different purposes:
oak, beech, cherry, walnut, to produce fruit and fodder for livestock AND high priced timber (30-50 years) cut the trees so they grow long and straight with few branches only at the top. that way you can fetch 10.000 up to 30.000 dollars per tree.
lines of trees so far apart as the trees become high, approx. if you install fencing, you can have livestock between the rows, who then can utilize all the droppings from the tree...alternate the sections which the pigs fx are on.
aaand theres types of trees you can harvest every 12 years for firewood, then let them regrow out of their leftover roots by themselves, so you have a constant supply of firewood.
obviously solar is a super interesting and practical thing to have. you can maximize the production of your solar array by building mirrors out of simple tinfoil and planks to reflect light onto them when the sun isnt in optimal position otherwise...
if you install a wind turbine, combine it with a weight that gets pulled up when theres lots of wind, and which can then power the generator for a while when demand is high or there is no wind.
Here in Germany its rather common for farmers to just put their surplus produce in a box/hut near the road, for people to take against a donation. maybe you live in a high trust area where this is possible?
as for tractors: i myself am a big fan of the now emerging electric versions. its totally possible to do all the work with one of that, using the energy from your solar array.
but if you desperately want something loud and stinky, i would go with an older model that you/your friends can repair themselves. if you get something built before lets say 1970, you will find a toolshop that can machine every single spare part you might ever need...
Roof, Roof Roof, whatever you do buy, buy a place for it to be sheltered from the weather first!
I have no fucking idea why this wikipedia page doesnt have an english version. But im sure autotranslate will help you.
The Concept is: You take all the manure from your animals, all the leftovers and cuttings and whatever other biomass, feed it to bacteria in a tank, which produces GAs, which then runs a Turbine producing electricity. and the leftovers are perfect fertilizer. its a Pretty Basic thing here in Germany, many farmers have it, though the investment is more something for bigger Farmers, yet, you are in America and less bound by regulations, so, maybe its cheaper to do for you...
creeks... water? waterpower? just be sure to build a fish-ladder so the ecosystem stays intact. but maybe building a dam is more for the reason to give your kids a place to swim..
think a lot about keeping your kids happy! a simple dirt track for downhill mountainbiking costs little and gives great fun. Also, swings and climbing-stuff. happy family, happy man.
Be sure to have a patch of Garden that is totally dedicated to useless bullshit like flowers, to keep your wife happy.
Herbs Herbs Herbs. Build a small mound of Sandy earth and Stones, shaped like a spiral. there, the best tasting herbs will grow. Herbs are everything once chemical enhancers are out of the game.
When you build your yard safe for the dogs not to escape, you can put in the extra work and make it safe for no Zombie to get in. i personally prefer to see whats going on around me and am not concerned about privacy, so good high fences it is for me, instaed of walls or thick brushwork.
Goats are great at dealing with brushwork, but they tend to destroy the flora if they are on a plot for too long. if you need thick underfoliage cleaned, rent some Goats from a neighbour..
Sheep arent as easy as some say. theres many sicknesses you have to look out for constantly, and the wool fetches almost no money, in the contrary actually, but wool is Good fertilizer, just wash it first so it decomposes faster, the fatty part of the wool isnt good for the Ground.
Horse meat is perfectly healthy and tastes great, and you can even let them do work or ride them.
you have forrest? i know, the easiest way is just to cut down the tree on the edge of the forrest, but by doing that, the forrest grows smaller and smaller. cut down trees in a way that at first you create a road into the woods, and then in a way that benefits the other trees most. look for a spot where one big tree overshadows many smaller ones, cut the big one down, so the smaller ones grow quicker after that. bam, woodproduction maximized and wildlife optimally aided.
Read Reaad REad (or watch Videos) theres so many cool ideas out there. its fine to experiment, but why repeat a mistake someone else made?
and dont let it get to your head
God created this Universe for us to enjoy it.
So go play now, Child of God, and enjoy your beautiful life.
Trees are a bit less in supply on the property, but abundant as fuck on my family's properties within 20-30 miles or so, we'll have to give it a shot as we're gearing up to cut down a lot of trees to clear more land. Thank you.
Don't get into farm debt. Your place isn't quite big enough for a backhoe. Just get a solid tiller and go from there. Develop good soil or bring it in.
Also, there isn't much money in farming, don't have any illusions about this.
The backhoe/loader I think of as a larger investment into the future. I do agree that I think they are overkill for the size of property. My hope is that this will just be a spring board to larger properties in the future, and maybe a better community of like minded people.
As for money, I don't intend to make a living off of it, I've got income from remote work, and nearly half of the company is remote as well (since before the pandemic sham), so I don't foresee this being a problem overall.
Nice. Make sure to get some kind of cheap and naturally renewable water purification system to take out all the heavy metals in the rain water. Otherwise, give it a couple years and the rain will be so poisonous that only GMOs will grow from it.
Definitely doable, the creek isn't quite year around I figure, and the flow is slow due to almost no drop. If I'm lucky I can probably get enough drop to feed a small ram pump to get water raised up from the creek for storage.
Rain water collection I've not tried on any form of scale, other than to put 55 gal drums at the down spouts to water stuff around the house (where I live now)
I'll be on-grid living, I earn my living in internet land and there's no need to ditch the income while it's good.
Long term, I'd like to be off-grid living, and we're using this as a staging opportunity to learn, grow as a family, and take stronger next steps onto larger properties in the future.
Congratulations! My advice: Don't put the cart before the horse, figuratively speaking (but literally speaking too if applicable). Meaning, if you get a tractor make sure you have some place to store it out of the weather. Make sure you have room to service and store the implements. If you want a dog, have good fences, a warm or cool place for them to sleep. The same goes for all livestock, and a place to store their food and bedding. If you pay taxes, get a good accountant that knows how to utilize the expenses used on your 'farm business' to your advantage.
[ - ] mannerbund [op] 1 point 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 16:25:28 ago (+1/-0)
Heck yeah, I'm on board with the line of thinking. The current garage fits all of our vehicles plus an extra stall for a tractor and the attachments. Longer term I'd like to build a proper shop. Animals are a desire, but they definitely need housing built up to support them.
I am still paying taxes, underwriting the costs to a small farm business is a really good idea, I'll have to go that route.
$30k to close, and it gets me one step closer to where I eventually want to be. The hard part is income as you move more and more remote.
I luck out with my work being done remotely via the internet. With Starlink and one of the last wired internet properties on the road, I should manage OK in maintaining the income to cushion the transition well.
Parts for my John deere were way too expensive. I bought a tym with a backhoe. You can unplug all the emissions on certain models. I sold my jd for a fair amount more than I paid because of all the hype.
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[ - ] Her0n 12 points 1.4 yearsNov 19, 2022 22:11:53 ago (+12/-0)
You have more land than I do, how deep do you want to go? I started with three acres and I'm in the process of buying the neighboring two.
I have chickens, two mini jersey cows, veggies and fruits. I grew a wheat crop this year, way more grain than I thought it would be. I also have a birch grove I use for firewood.
What's your ultimate goal with this land?
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[ - ] Belfuro 6 points 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 01:51:55 ago (+6/-0)
I left the city to build my ten acre ark 5 years ago. Tried it all.
Sheep are super easy compared to beef.
Though that one mini dexter I reared was the best tasting beef I've ever eaten.
If I do calf rearing now it's as a cash crop
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[ - ] mannerbund [op] 0 points 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 16:03:00 ago (+0/-0)
Cows on this size land are probably not a good idea, so I'm leaning towards goat and crops, with some additional hunting to augment meat. We've already got a whole local grass fed cow in the freezer, so trading with the dairy farmers is probably the most advantageous for us.
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[ - ] Belfuro 0 points 1.4 yearsNov 21, 2022 21:44:40 ago (+0/-0)
Sheep are super easy on the land. A Lamb takes 9months to grow.
Easy as.
Fencing is more intensive to setup but easier than to maintain than beef
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[ - ] mannerbund [op] 2 points 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 16:01:17 ago (+2/-0)
I've not grown wheat before, that sounds like it would be a good staple, we've focused on potatoes for the nutrition density and ease of care mostly.
I'm not sure I intend to grow old and die on the land, but I do intend for it to be a "safer" haven than my current residence given the tumultuous times we are in.
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[ - ] Her0n 0 points 1.4 yearsNov 24, 2022 10:58:35 ago (+0/-0)
I sat down and planned my setup on a the drafting board for nearly two weeks. I use crop rotation and companion farming, never had any major issues with disease or bugs (thank you marigolds). It's been way simpler than I thought, it just takes the willpower to keep going even when you want to stop. I know that sounds gay as shit, doesn't make it untrue.
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[ - ] 2Drunk 11 points 1.4 yearsNov 19, 2022 21:42:59 ago (+11/-0)
Congratulations on the land and family.
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[ - ] Master_Foo 8 points 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 03:06:53 ago (+8/-0)
Get some experience before you buy for yourself.
Find out what equipment nobody has in the area and buy that. Make sure everyone knows you have it. Offer it up for people who are useful to you to use.
In this way, you'll have every piece of equipment you need.
[ + ] mannerbund
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There, you just bought a tractor and skid steer for $1,000.
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I bought 3 acres of undeveloped land in Hawaii about a year ago and even though it's been a hard adventure, I love it. However about a third of the advice I've been given by more established locals has done more harm than good.
Tend to your four corners of earth as you see fit, the worst vice is advice.
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The radio networks seem lively too, so I'm hoping to network in relatively quickly with the local repeater net.
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[ - ] Leveraction 5 points 1.4 yearsNov 19, 2022 23:05:37 ago (+5/-0)
Sanity comes back getting out of a city
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[ - ] Cantaloupe 3 points 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 02:46:11 ago (+3/-0)
Here's some brilliant advice, forget sheep and cows - go all in on a herd of platypuses. Or go with advice of those who couldn't hack it.
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Back in the old days, when people got new land, they didn't build a house first, but some small shack, where they could warm up while developing land. One of the rooms quickly turned into very warm room and it was specifically to live through a winter. It was cost efficient too, no need to heat too much space. So that's the start of sauna "culture", which was actually a necessity back in the past. Later, when a house was built, people moved into a house, but sometimes when winters were harsher than usual, some families again moved into the sauna rooms/complex. Some houses started from sauna and then built a house around it.
Nowadays, sauna is still the best thing to do as a first building, except in warm climates. First, that's a good practice in building stuff. You fuck up a sauna, not a big loss. You fuck up a house, that's a big loss. Then, sauna is good for health. Also, sauna is a good social place to gather and chill out, especially for men. You will have a "man-cave" from the start.
I pity you, for not experiencing all the wonderful things in this life.
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a movable chicken coop, built on a trailer, with mobile fencing around, lets you use your loand quickly and fertilizes the ground. just move the trailer when the chickens have almost destroyed the patch they are on.
a greenhouse, obviously.. if you are in colder climate, you can dig 15 foot trenches, lay pipe into them, bury that and build your greenhouse ontop. install a ventilator, and the warm air from under the earth keeps your crops from freezing, so you can grow lettuce and other things throughout the winter.
get good at canning stuff.
be sure to have enough storage area underground.
agroforrest concept:
you plant rows of trees with different purposes:
oak, beech, cherry, walnut, to produce fruit and fodder for livestock AND high priced timber (30-50 years) cut the trees so they grow long and straight with few branches only at the top. that way you can fetch 10.000 up to 30.000 dollars per tree.
lines of trees so far apart as the trees become high, approx. if you install fencing, you can have livestock between the rows, who then can utilize all the droppings from the tree...alternate the sections which the pigs fx are on.
aaand theres types of trees you can harvest every 12 years for firewood, then let them regrow out of their leftover roots by themselves, so you have a constant supply of firewood.
obviously solar is a super interesting and practical thing to have. you can maximize the production of your solar array by building mirrors out of simple tinfoil and planks to reflect light onto them when the sun isnt in optimal position otherwise...
if you install a wind turbine, combine it with a weight that gets pulled up when theres lots of wind, and which can then power the generator for a while when demand is high or there is no wind.
Here in Germany its rather common for farmers to just put their surplus produce in a box/hut near the road, for people to take against a donation. maybe you live in a high trust area where this is possible?
as for tractors: i myself am a big fan of the now emerging electric versions. its totally possible to do all the work with one of that, using the energy from your solar array.
but if you desperately want something loud and stinky, i would go with an older model that you/your friends can repair themselves. if you get something built before lets say 1970, you will find a toolshop that can machine every single spare part you might ever need...
Roof, Roof Roof, whatever you do buy, buy a place for it to be sheltered from the weather first!
and now something weird:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biogasanlage
I have no fucking idea why this wikipedia page doesnt have an english version. But im sure autotranslate will help you.
The Concept is: You take all the manure from your animals, all the leftovers and cuttings and whatever other biomass, feed it to bacteria in a tank, which produces GAs, which then runs a Turbine producing electricity. and the leftovers are perfect fertilizer. its a Pretty Basic thing here in Germany, many farmers have it, though the investment is more something for bigger Farmers, yet, you are in America and less bound by regulations, so, maybe its cheaper to do for you...
creeks... water? waterpower? just be sure to build a fish-ladder so the ecosystem stays intact. but maybe building a dam is more for the reason to give your kids a place to swim..
think a lot about keeping your kids happy! a simple dirt track for downhill mountainbiking costs little and gives great fun. Also, swings and climbing-stuff. happy family, happy man.
Be sure to have a patch of Garden that is totally dedicated to useless bullshit like flowers, to keep your wife happy.
Herbs Herbs Herbs. Build a small mound of Sandy earth and Stones, shaped like a spiral. there, the best tasting herbs will grow. Herbs are everything once chemical enhancers are out of the game.
When you build your yard safe for the dogs not to escape, you can put in the extra work and make it safe for no Zombie to get in. i personally prefer to see whats going on around me and am not concerned about privacy, so good high fences it is for me, instaed of walls or thick brushwork.
Goats are great at dealing with brushwork, but they tend to destroy the flora if they are on a plot for too long. if you need thick underfoliage cleaned, rent some Goats from a neighbour..
Sheep arent as easy as some say. theres many sicknesses you have to look out for constantly, and the wool fetches almost no money, in the contrary actually, but wool is Good fertilizer, just wash it first so it decomposes faster, the fatty part of the wool isnt good for the Ground.
Horse meat is perfectly healthy and tastes great, and you can even let them do work or ride them.
you have forrest? i know, the easiest way is just to cut down the tree on the edge of the forrest, but by doing that, the forrest grows smaller and smaller. cut down trees in a way that at first you create a road into the woods, and then in a way that benefits the other trees most. look for a spot where one big tree overshadows many smaller ones, cut the big one down, so the smaller ones grow quicker after that. bam, woodproduction maximized and wildlife optimally aided.
Read Reaad REad (or watch Videos) theres so many cool ideas out there. its fine to experiment, but why repeat a mistake someone else made?
and dont let it get to your head
God created this Universe for us to enjoy it.
So go play now, Child of God, and enjoy your beautiful life.
Godspeed Brother, Greetings from Germany!
[ + ] mannerbund
[ - ] mannerbund [op] 1 point 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 16:30:19 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Artificial_Intelligentile
[ - ] Artificial_Intelligentile 1 point 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 17:11:52 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] UrCoolerOlderBrother
[ - ] UrCoolerOlderBrother 2 points 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 06:01:27 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] TerryB
[ - ] TerryB 1 point 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 14:53:13 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] mannerbund
[ - ] mannerbund [op] 0 points 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 16:18:24 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] AmalekTheZOG
[ - ] AmalekTheZOG 0 points 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 17:19:30 ago (+0/-0)
When you farm instead of arguing with a jew boss you argue with God directly.
His jokes are many.
[ + ] MaryXmas
[ - ] MaryXmas 0 points 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 16:37:48 ago (+0/-0)
Also, there isn't much money in farming, don't have any illusions about this.
[ + ] mannerbund
[ - ] mannerbund [op] 0 points 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 16:49:43 ago (+0/-0)
As for money, I don't intend to make a living off of it, I've got income from remote work, and nearly half of the company is remote as well (since before the pandemic sham), so I don't foresee this being a problem overall.
[ + ] MaryXmas
[ - ] MaryXmas 1 point 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 16:55:02 ago (+1/-0)
I have had up to 65 chickens and I will probably have about 75 including some turkeys in the spring.
5 or 6 sheep sounds like it would be fun. Goats seem like a pain in the ass.
[ + ] NaturalSelectionistWorker
[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker 0 points 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 09:28:37 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] mannerbund
[ - ] mannerbund [op] 0 points 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 16:28:30 ago (+0/-0)
Rain water collection I've not tried on any form of scale, other than to put 55 gal drums at the down spouts to water stuff around the house (where I live now)
[ + ] UncleDoug
[ - ] UncleDoug 0 points 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 09:28:23 ago (+0/-0)
Are you turning some land into a small holdings? Off the grid living?
[ + ] mannerbund
[ - ] mannerbund [op] 2 points 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 16:20:55 ago (+2/-0)
I'll be on-grid living, I earn my living in internet land and there's no need to ditch the income while it's good.
Long term, I'd like to be off-grid living, and we're using this as a staging opportunity to learn, grow as a family, and take stronger next steps onto larger properties in the future.
[ + ] ScheduledSuicide
[ - ] ScheduledSuicide 0 points 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 09:06:08 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] mannerbund
[ - ] mannerbund [op] 1 point 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 16:25:28 ago (+1/-0)
I am still paying taxes, underwriting the costs to a small farm business is a really good idea, I'll have to go that route.
[ + ] ScheduledSuicide
[ - ] ScheduledSuicide 1 point 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 21:11:51 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] thoughtcryme
[ - ] thoughtcryme 0 points 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 08:52:14 ago (+0/-0)
I gotta get outta here
[ + ] mannerbund
[ - ] mannerbund [op] 0 points 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 16:23:21 ago (+0/-0)
I luck out with my work being done remotely via the internet. With Starlink and one of the last wired internet properties on the road, I should manage OK in maintaining the income to cushion the transition well.
[ + ] WhiteGoat
[ - ] WhiteGoat 0 points 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 08:41:22 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] TheBigGuyFromQueens
[ - ] TheBigGuyFromQueens 0 points 1.4 yearsNov 20, 2022 05:50:00 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] texasblood
[ - ] texasblood 0 points 1.4 yearsNov 19, 2022 21:40:16 ago (+2/-2)
Learn yours like most did.
13 and pregnant built this nation of standing pussies two generations ago.