I agree with you. I got my ass whipped too. A lot. I must have been hard headed, probably still am to be honest. I wanna say there's a right and wrong way to go about it, but I don't have kids and there's no real handbook. It's fine to use the bible as a stand in, the ten commandments are good rules to live by. Add the fear of God and you've got a pretty solid discipline. It ain't perfect, but it shouldn't be discarded.
I was punished with religion growing up. My father use to say that guilt was the spice of life. I'll still go to church with my mom if I'm visiting, but I'll never be Catholic again.
This will probably surprise anyone who has seen me discuss religion, but I don't have any bad memories from growing up Catholic (Church every Wednesday and Sunday, vacation Bible school with baptists every summer, etc)
Guilt was never a big thing for me or fear of hell. No abuse of any kind. I was always very sincere about taking the church's lessons to heart and not only doing the right thing, but being wise enough to really understand right and wrong. I've heard stories from people who had bad experiences, but it wasn't like that for me at all.
My problem with Christianity comes entirely from it's origins, which made me take a hard look at the lessons I got from it, and I determined they weren't lessons of strength.
It's easy to paraphrase criticisms and say "love your enemy, turn the other cheek" but honestly that's a cheap argument without nuance. It goes deeper than a sound bite, Christianity has this common thread of selflessness that sounds good on the surface but is just as poisonous as the selflessness of communism, abandoning and sacrificing yourself for the weak, the low, the dregs, focusing on the shame of sin rather than the glory of nobile virtue. Caring more for the afterlife than fulfilling the destiny that your ancestors set for you.
I'm no fan of atheism either, which contributes to atomization of a people and is basically throwing a huge chunk of your cultural and racial heritage in the trash.
I'm left with my ancestral religion, which for me is Germanic Paganism. Practicing has had some shockingly bright spots in the sense of how pure and right it feels, like I has never experienced what religion is meant to be like. And I have stories of things that happened in connection to it that I wouldn't even believe if they didn't happen to me.
The downside is that it feels so alone. Most of the religion was destroyed, most anyone I find who wants to revive it isn't very strict and is fine with just making stuff up. I can't share it with anyone at all in my life, only anonymously places like here.
It sucks honestly. It's like I stumbled on this big important part of a puzzle with no way to get the solution in place.
I agree with much of what you say here. I did not have a bad experience with Catholicism. I just dont like that it was the basis of a jewish revolution thousands of years ago that destroyed many european traditions.
Im not interested in any of the pagan religions except in a historical sense. I think we should create a new religion whichencompasses our values but is atheistic.
They're great for the historical sense too. I can remember discovering stories about the Greek Gods as a child and how much I loved reading them. And there so many hidden cultural artifacts in there that are still with us today. Just knowing about them adds so much color and perspective to so many things.
Like "an apple a day keeps the doctor away" - actually comes from very, very old pagan traditions around apples being connected to health and immortality. Like, your grandmother would give you an apple for your health, but it had religious overtones, like something semi-sacred. When Christianity was trying to erase anything not itself there would be nice old women maybe without family or many friends who would still give apples to kids and they would use this to accuse them of witchcraft and kill them. This part has also persisted in stories like Snow White where the witch gives a gift of a poison apple.
I think the idea of a new religion that's not woo-woo is interesting and I used to also think we needed that. I think my stance now would be more like "that's not a religion though, just some good ideas." I wouldn't oppose it though, and I'd be happy if something like that was successful.
I also really liked greek mythology as a kid. But Im not interested in accepting it as fact. I believe we should embrace reality.
very, very old pagan traditions around apples being connected to health and immortality
Apples of Idun maybe?
When Christianity was trying to erase anything not itself there would be nice old women maybe without family or many friends who would still give apples to kids and they would use this to accuse them of witchcraft and kill them.
Yeah I believe it would have been a very woke, tyrannical revolution. They brainwashed young people and many wealthy young elites gave up their family duties to become christian fanatics and wear hair shirts and mortify themselves. Everyone thought they were crazy. Of course they built many christian churches on top of pagan temples, just like islam does. Humiliation.
Me too, and this is something that I've struggled with. At it's core, religion is some pretty fantastic stories that can't possibly be "real", and part of practicing is suspending that disbelief to varying degrees. And even when I got into this it was more of a casual curiosity and just wanting to imagine what my ancient ancestors thoughts were like. I had no intention of actually "believing" in it.
ALso I think all the weight put on faith as a core value is a Christian construct. Like, Wotan doesn't really give a shit if you think he really rides around on an actual eight legged horse. Yeah you can piss off the Gods but is it because it's a great metaphor that keeps you living right and connected to your people or is Donar actually pointing lightning bolts at your sorry ass? Doesn't really matter. I never believed in Santa as a kid but I still loved him and would try to catch a glimpse of him bringing me toys.
But then again I mentioned things that nobody would believe that I experienced. Which are the parts I have trouble with because I'm more comfortable treating it all as a metaphor. I basically don't try to square the two things. I don't consider myself superstitious, and I also have wild stories and I try not to think too much about it and just appreciate that my life is giving me such poetic entertainment.
I'm not trying to convince you to practice at all though. Just relating part of my experience which I haven't really shared with anyone before.
Apples of Idun maybe?
Most likely. But the stuff I was reading didn't make that explicit connection so I can't say for sure. But probably.
and part of practicing is suspending that disbelief to varying degrees.
Thats what happens when we watch movies too. But maybe its dangerous. Maybe by promoting fairy stories we are spreading false belief about how the world really works. Thats makes us vulnerable to predators who would use us and manipulate us. We lived in a dreamworld about how people really are, created by hollywood jews. Then jews pulled the rug out from under us. The illusion was shattered as jews and spics and niggers drive the knife in our backs. We are left shocked, disoriented, helpless. No more storytime for me.
[ - ] taoV 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 14, 2022 00:02:34 ago (+1/-0)
The positive side is the opportunity to let it unfold to you, rediscover ancient ground so to speak. Maybe along the way some of lessons learned in the last 2000 years can be incorporated.
That's insightful, and you're right that is a big part of the positive side. It's changed the way I think about a lot of things, and that's how it's occured, finding bits and pieces of ancient wisdom that just "unfold" just because I'm spending time thinking about them. And most of it seems so simple and straightforward once it clicks. That's why even with it being so hard to fit it into my life I can't let it go. It's like it breathes fresh air into me somehow.
[ - ] taoV 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 14, 2022 13:17:59 ago (+1/-0)
Yeah I've had moments like that too, like it's re-orienting consciousness. When something "just clicks" I take it a a sign that you're onto something true, becuase it fits naturally into place. It makes one hungry for more insight.
Well I agree that everything is going to work better in a homogenous society. But if you look at the time that Christianity was being put into place in early Rome, their society was already diverse and becoming moreso along with it. This was discovered by a study that looked at the names on gravestones by year and if they were Roman or foreign. Basically late Rome had a foreigner problem.
Constantine and his tolerance of Christians coincides with the first Council of Nicaea in year 325AD, which also coincides with the gravestone study that found the most diversity occurring the final decades of Rome before it's collapse during 300-400AD or so.
My point is just that it wasn't actually put together to function in a homogenous society - it was being developed and put into place in one that already had significant diversity issues.
[ - ] Fascinus 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 14, 2022 00:07:54 ago (+1/-0)
Fair point. If one looks at the outcome, it was incredibly disruptive to the last vestiges of a homogeneous society.
A better way to frame it might be to state that the institution would only be able to fulfill its ostensible aims within the context of a homogeneous society.
The reason I qualified the statement with "ostensible aims" is that it could be viewed as a path to enlightenment or as a stake through the heart of the Roman empire.
Apologies for venturing into contentious waters; these sorts of discussions never seem to be tolerated well here and the story of Jesus of Nazareth is hardly without precedent. In fact, there are approximately 300 mythologies that share markedly similar characteristics.
To some, that would be troubling. To me, that only makes it more true. That makes it "the story of us" as a people, rather than it being relegated to a specific place or point in time. "Capital T truth", in a manner of speaking.
Keep in mind that the cultures of the Mediterranean and surrounding areas are known to have borrowed heavily and unapologetically from one another as a result of cross-pollination.
As a more direct answer to your question, the ostensible aims are to teach us to transcend our base instincts and, as such, live a skillful and fulfilling life that brings us closer to God.
Another way to look at Christianity is through the lens of political expediency, as a means to achieve social and cultural dominance.
However you look at it, there is wisdom to be found there and many have achieved enlightenment by following this path. Francis of Assisi https://infogalactic.com/info/Francis_of_Assisi is a notable example that stands out for me.
Love your question about best parts :)
To that I would say that the part I find most confounding and perplexing about the Bible is perhaps one of its greatest strengths, in that it presents at once a decisive proscriptive ethic (thou shalt to this, thou shall not do that, etc.) in the Old Testament, along with a pronounced teleological ethic in the New Testament.
In this way, the work is able to meet the suppliant where they are at, whatever their level of spiritual awareness. For the simpleton who is looking for swim lanes within to live a virtuous life, they could hardly do better than the 10 commandments; it's pretty hard to fuck your life up too badly if you stick to those as rules of thumb.
For the student who is looking for understanding beyond a set of rules to be followed, the New Testament has much to offer in the manner of teaching one to live skillfully.
This was a good response and avoids the contentious waters for me. Besides I asked :)
Another way to look at Christianity is through the lens of political expediency, as a means to achieve social and cultural dominance.
This part has given me some food for thought. This is a very practical take. Really all of your response was thoughtful so thank you.
I read some of the article on St Francis. I can't say I'm wild about his veneration of poverty or renouncing of his father. What are the things you like about him? I'm trying to see this from your point of view.
And the parts of living skilfully in the New Testament - do you have any examples? I get the general idea of living above your base instincts, but it's still a little vague for me.
[ - ] calx 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 13, 2022 21:59:23 ago (+2/-1)
Heya Perry. That's no joke. I was gonna write a usual cheeky reply to the thread but I grew up Polish "Catholic" and it was absolutely backwards from the beginning for me. Guilt and guilt and more guilt for reasons that seemed absurd for me even as a kid. That's a great way to raise a child. God help us.
It's a hell of a thing (pun intended). When my kid brother and I would get caught laughing and talking after lights out my mom would make us kneel on the tile floor and pray for forgiveness. According to her, every time we sinned we were literally putting another thorn in Jesus head. Fucked up thing to tell an eight year old.
I don't want to be misunderstood. I'm not an atheist. I'm not too damaged to recognize that my upbringing inspired a real spiritually in me. I'm neutral on organized religion, it works for a lot of people and I'm happy they have that. It's not for me though.
Same here, bud. Early experience soured that for me.
Funny thing is that I went in completely the opposite direction, i.e. "religion is bad", only to find spirituality at the far reaches of science.
I was reading a text on cellular biology when the ramifications of the teachings hit me. All of a sudden, it all broke open for me, all at once. As above, so below.
Funny thing is, I learned years later that the professor reached the same conclusions I did, even though he never published, or even alluded to it, in his textbook. He went on to retire from scholarly life and become a spiritual guide.
I honestly think it was the best path to take. I wouldn't be where I am if I wasn't where I was, right? A kind or crucible. The slag was separated from the steel, but only by intense fire. Whatever, it is what it is.
That's a great way to put it. Funny thing is, by taking the long way round, I wound up with direct experience and firsthand knowledge where others might have to rely upon faith alone.
I don't identify as Christian, yet I encounter many situations where I have stronger faith in some of their beliefs than they do, for I don't merely believe them. I know them to be true.
This isn't to say that I accept everything wholesale, so much as it is to say that I can relate to the teachings directly through knowledge and experience.
No, I had a crises of faith at 16. My two year old nephew died from medical negligence a week after a schoolmate died in a car accident. It made me start looking for answers elsewhere.
Really?! You mean convincing them they're the wrong sex and pumping them full of drugs and mutilating their genitals is less harmful than fearing God? You truly are a delusional faggot.
Putting the fear of god in people helps keep people from doing shitty dishonest things. Many rulers and politicians refraned from lying and cheating because “god is watching”. It works. Now all the politicians are atheists and they are cheating shamelessly, because they don’t fear hell. The threat of hell works to control antisocial behavior. It probably works on niggers better than anyone. But it can even work on smart people.
This is one of the stupidest arguments for atheism ever. It feels like a jew created this meme. It just makes atheists look like whiney pussies.
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Guilt was never a big thing for me or fear of hell. No abuse of any kind. I was always very sincere about taking the church's lessons to heart and not only doing the right thing, but being wise enough to really understand right and wrong. I've heard stories from people who had bad experiences, but it wasn't like that for me at all.
My problem with Christianity comes entirely from it's origins, which made me take a hard look at the lessons I got from it, and I determined they weren't lessons of strength.
It's easy to paraphrase criticisms and say "love your enemy, turn the other cheek" but honestly that's a cheap argument without nuance. It goes deeper than a sound bite, Christianity has this common thread of selflessness that sounds good on the surface but is just as poisonous as the selflessness of communism, abandoning and sacrificing yourself for the weak, the low, the dregs, focusing on the shame of sin rather than the glory of nobile virtue. Caring more for the afterlife than fulfilling the destiny that your ancestors set for you.
I'm no fan of atheism either, which contributes to atomization of a people and is basically throwing a huge chunk of your cultural and racial heritage in the trash.
I'm left with my ancestral religion, which for me is Germanic Paganism. Practicing has had some shockingly bright spots in the sense of how pure and right it feels, like I has never experienced what religion is meant to be like. And I have stories of things that happened in connection to it that I wouldn't even believe if they didn't happen to me.
The downside is that it feels so alone. Most of the religion was destroyed, most anyone I find who wants to revive it isn't very strict and is fine with just making stuff up. I can't share it with anyone at all in my life, only anonymously places like here.
It sucks honestly. It's like I stumbled on this big important part of a puzzle with no way to get the solution in place.
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[ - ] PostWallHelena 2 points 1.5 yearsNov 13, 2022 23:20:37 ago (+2/-0)
Im not interested in any of the pagan religions except in a historical sense. I think we should create a new religion whichencompasses our values but is atheistic.
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[ - ] SecretHitler 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 13, 2022 23:37:20 ago (+0/-0)
Like "an apple a day keeps the doctor away" - actually comes from very, very old pagan traditions around apples being connected to health and immortality. Like, your grandmother would give you an apple for your health, but it had religious overtones, like something semi-sacred. When Christianity was trying to erase anything not itself there would be nice old women maybe without family or many friends who would still give apples to kids and they would use this to accuse them of witchcraft and kill them. This part has also persisted in stories like Snow White where the witch gives a gift of a poison apple.
I think the idea of a new religion that's not woo-woo is interesting and I used to also think we needed that. I think my stance now would be more like "that's not a religion though, just some good ideas." I wouldn't oppose it though, and I'd be happy if something like that was successful.
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[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 13, 2022 23:51:13 ago (+0/-0)
Apples of Idun maybe?
Yeah I believe it would have been a very woke, tyrannical revolution. They brainwashed young people and many wealthy young elites gave up their family duties to become christian fanatics and wear hair shirts and mortify themselves. Everyone thought they were crazy.
Of course they built many christian churches on top of pagan temples, just like islam does. Humiliation.
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[ - ] SecretHitler 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 14, 2022 00:44:44 ago (+0/-0)
Me too, and this is something that I've struggled with. At it's core, religion is some pretty fantastic stories that can't possibly be "real", and part of practicing is suspending that disbelief to varying degrees. And even when I got into this it was more of a casual curiosity and just wanting to imagine what my ancient ancestors thoughts were like. I had no intention of actually "believing" in it.
ALso I think all the weight put on faith as a core value is a Christian construct. Like, Wotan doesn't really give a shit if you think he really rides around on an actual eight legged horse. Yeah you can piss off the Gods but is it because it's a great metaphor that keeps you living right and connected to your people or is Donar actually pointing lightning bolts at your sorry ass? Doesn't really matter. I never believed in Santa as a kid but I still loved him and would try to catch a glimpse of him bringing me toys.
But then again I mentioned things that nobody would believe that I experienced. Which are the parts I have trouble with because I'm more comfortable treating it all as a metaphor. I basically don't try to square the two things. I don't consider myself superstitious, and I also have wild stories and I try not to think too much about it and just appreciate that my life is giving me such poetic entertainment.
I'm not trying to convince you to practice at all though. Just relating part of my experience which I haven't really shared with anyone before.
Most likely. But the stuff I was reading didn't make that explicit connection so I can't say for sure. But probably.
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[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 14, 2022 15:51:02 ago (+0/-0)
Thats what happens when we watch movies too. But maybe its dangerous. Maybe by promoting fairy stories we are spreading false belief about how the world really works. Thats makes us vulnerable to predators who would use us and manipulate us. We lived in a dreamworld about how people really are, created by hollywood jews. Then jews pulled the rug out from under us. The illusion was shattered as jews and spics and niggers drive the knife in our backs. We are left shocked, disoriented, helpless. No more storytime for me.
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[ - ] Fascinus 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 13, 2022 23:31:25 ago (+0/-0)
So much the more evidence that "diversity" is poison.
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[ - ] SecretHitler 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 13, 2022 23:59:26 ago (+0/-0)
Constantine and his tolerance of Christians coincides with the first Council of Nicaea in year 325AD, which also coincides with the gravestone study that found the most diversity occurring the final decades of Rome before it's collapse during 300-400AD or so.
My point is just that it wasn't actually put together to function in a homogenous society - it was being developed and put into place in one that already had significant diversity issues.
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[ - ] Fascinus 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 14, 2022 00:07:54 ago (+1/-0)
A better way to frame it might be to state that the institution would only be able to fulfill its ostensible aims within the context of a homogeneous society.
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[ - ] SecretHitler 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 14, 2022 00:47:15 ago (+1/-0)
What would you say are it's aims? As in, what are the best parts of it that one could hope to better themselves and their people with?
[ + ] Fascinus
[ - ] Fascinus 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 14, 2022 01:21:34 ago (+0/-0)
The reason I qualified the statement with "ostensible aims" is that it could be viewed as a path to enlightenment or as a stake through the heart of the Roman empire.
Apologies for venturing into contentious waters; these sorts of discussions never seem to be tolerated well here and the story of Jesus of Nazareth is hardly without precedent. In fact, there are approximately 300 mythologies that share markedly similar characteristics.
To some, that would be troubling. To me, that only makes it more true. That makes it "the story of us" as a people, rather than it being relegated to a specific place or point in time. "Capital T truth", in a manner of speaking.
Keep in mind that the cultures of the Mediterranean and surrounding areas are known to have borrowed heavily and unapologetically from one another as a result of cross-pollination.
As a more direct answer to your question, the ostensible aims are to teach us to transcend our base instincts and, as such, live a skillful and fulfilling life that brings us closer to God.
Another way to look at Christianity is through the lens of political expediency, as a means to achieve social and cultural dominance.
However you look at it, there is wisdom to be found there and many have achieved enlightenment by following this path. Francis of Assisi https://infogalactic.com/info/Francis_of_Assisi is a notable example that stands out for me.
Love your question about best parts :)
To that I would say that the part I find most confounding and perplexing about the Bible is perhaps one of its greatest strengths, in that it presents at once a decisive proscriptive ethic (thou shalt to this, thou shall not do that, etc.) in the Old Testament, along with a pronounced teleological ethic in the New Testament.
In this way, the work is able to meet the suppliant where they are at, whatever their level of spiritual awareness. For the simpleton who is looking for swim lanes within to live a virtuous life, they could hardly do better than the 10 commandments; it's pretty hard to fuck your life up too badly if you stick to those as rules of thumb.
For the student who is looking for understanding beyond a set of rules to be followed, the New Testament has much to offer in the manner of teaching one to live skillfully.
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[ - ] SecretHitler 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 14, 2022 02:03:47 ago (+1/-0)
This part has given me some food for thought. This is a very practical take. Really all of your response was thoughtful so thank you.
I read some of the article on St Francis. I can't say I'm wild about his veneration of poverty or renouncing of his father. What are the things you like about him? I'm trying to see this from your point of view.
And the parts of living skilfully in the New Testament - do you have any examples? I get the general idea of living above your base instincts, but it's still a little vague for me.
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Funny thing is that I went in completely the opposite direction, i.e. "religion is bad", only to find spirituality at the far reaches of science.
I was reading a text on cellular biology when the ramifications of the teachings hit me. All of a sudden, it all broke open for me, all at once. As above, so below.
Funny thing is, I learned years later that the professor reached the same conclusions I did, even though he never published, or even alluded to it, in his textbook. He went on to retire from scholarly life and become a spiritual guide.
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Whatever, it is what it is.
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[ - ] Fascinus 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 14, 2022 00:38:07 ago (+0/-0)
I don't identify as Christian, yet I encounter many situations where I have stronger faith in some of their beliefs than they do, for I don't merely believe them. I know them to be true.
This isn't to say that I accept everything wholesale, so much as it is to say that I can relate to the teachings directly through knowledge and experience.
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This might interest you if I'm hearing you right.
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This is one of the stupidest arguments for atheism ever. It feels like a jew created this meme. It just makes atheists look like whiney pussies.
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[ - ] observation1 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 14, 2022 00:49:53 ago (+0/-0)
Better watch out
Better not cry
Better not pout
Better not
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..oh the games we play....
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