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Religion is dying and I don't think it will come back

submitted by AntiPostmodernist to whatever 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 14:21:17 ago (+8/-5)     (whatever)

As technology improved our gods got more distant from us, they also got more powerful but that was only because they decreased in number as we folded them into each other.

Agriculture, particularly the plow, did away with animistic religion, industrialization, particularly the printing press, did away with the "God that is evident in the world" which Nietzsche mourned the passing of, The internet will do away with belief in even the distant, almost deistic God of modern Christianity, as souls are already well purged by modern neuroscience and cognitive/behavioral genetics, and all it takes is for just one more generation for that knowledge to be widespread.

Society changes with it, from tribes giving way to civilizations, which then form empires, which then form into federations as things become more globalized, eventually globalism will fail and it will bring us back to an extreme individualism again, too isolated and atomized to fall back into tribes immediately, we will need some time to sift to a society where people can once again belong to one another's collective again.

The retarded ideas of the left dominate that ideological space right now, as it will soon be the only one left, we must work hard to fill in that space with some alternative ideas because it will soon become the only one left.

I went to a local Christian nationalist event lately, as soon as I arrived, I noticed how fucking old everyone was, the younger folks were far less engaged in the theory, they were more represented by what they opposed rather than by what they supported, and it would be okay if these were leaders, but they lacked a sense for political realities and strategy that told me they were going to lose their influence and become the last of their kind, watching some video series discussing these things bring me to the conclusion that religion will die in the west, even among it's most fervent supporters.

Our only hope now is to shift to formulating a religion based on scientific and philosophical principles besides those carefully selected pseudoscientific positions that the left claims as their basis of thought.

Evolutionary psychology and practical logic will form the basis of it's purpose and morality, the afterlife will be replaced with something like what you see in Buddhism and other eastern religions, but without the supernatural elements. For example; reincarnation will be just whatever physical part of you that acts as the receiver of the experience of existing being eventually recycled into becoming that of another organism, and nirvana will just be the achievement of a form of immortality in the material world of the living.

Politically, we will have an ideology that is explicitly favoring of inequality and competition, but also one that recognizes the need for some dominant authority figure with absolute power, in whom reverence is given, and to whom obedience is expected. On the three axis model, high levels of freedom in both economics and civil laws, but with the lowest amount of liberty where it comes to the political axis, democracy is dead, it remains dead, and we have all killed it, the time of monarchs and dictators will return.

The current state of things is unsustainable:
- Government has gotten too big and too involved in too many things, and nobody agrees on how our ways of living should be structured, hence why libertarianism kicks in, because then people can be left to experiment and learn from one another how to live. The only question is who should be given the protection of the law (or accountability to it)?
- The rule of the people is a concept that has been nearly completely discredited, there is a need for authoritarian leaders, and so that is what we will see, the return of the emperor, he may not be god, may not even claim to be god, but we will revere and obey him as such.
- Basically, libertarian fascism, or what the internet refers to as national capitalism, an emergent ideology that combines the ideas of minarchism with the concept of authoritarian rule, and also banking/monetary reform is almost a required addition to the minarchistic model as well.

I remember someone comparing simulation theory to gnosticism, and I can se the parallels, but the simulation theory is different in ways that make it far less perfect for us, under simulation theory our creator may be nothing special, we may be nothing special, in fact the probability is that in whatever universe our creator lives in he's a normal guy, or possibly even some loser, one among many in his world rather than a unique or special individual, and we may be one of many creations made by him and other creators like him, not the first nor the last, and most likely far from being the best of them, most probably we are average as far as simulated universes go.

God is going away, so too is the soul and the afterlife, even the concept of free will too will pass away within our lifetimes, that is, unless we can find the sciences that effectively kill the presence of these concepts and refute them, but we'd need to look into neuroscience and cognitive/behavioral genetics, then try to show why the conclusions found within these fields do not support the conclusions that their experts have come to.

Alternatively, we need to focus on practical reasons to be moral, and use similarly pragmatic reasoning to justify every policy and law we pass, we should also pull in an evolutionary gene-based psychological reasoning for these things as well, as they could back up the logical arguments by referring to the more scientific side of human behavior patterns.


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[ - ] FacelessOne 8 points 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 14:32:19 ago (+8/-0)

Stop trying to convince us to join your cult

[ - ] FacelessOne 5 points 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 14:35:21 ago (+5/-0)

Religion has never been the answer nor even of God.

Trying to create a Religion separated from Spirituality and the Supernatural is just Atheism bro.

Communisms Religion is Athiesm.

[ - ] diggernicks 0 points 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 14:38:22 ago (+3/-3)

Christ cucks are weak minded nigger lovers

The truth hurts you delicate faggots fee fees

[ - ] Isaacjan 0 points 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 20:10:59 ago (+0/-0)

I'm gonna agree with this faggot here.

It's clear that Islam, Christianity, its all been fucked over. Modern religious people, non extremists, tend to sit and wait. They've lost their self preservation, hoping something is controlling everything and will save them.

That mentality is going to fuck us. For a little while, people need to stop relying on a god to save them. It has to be the people.

Christ cucks, Muhammad cucks, all the cucks praying instead of preparing and speaking out are not going to help.

[ - ] deleted 0 points 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 15:14:57 ago (+0/-0)

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[ - ] Empire_of_the_Mind 4 points 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 14:54:05 ago (+4/-0)

Wildly incorrect - religion is fundamental to the human mind and cannot go away. You would benefit from learning much older history, pre-renaissance.

[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 0 points 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 17:12:44 ago (+0/-0)

I never said that the religious impulse would die, only that it would be redirected and in doing so change its form, look at communist regimes, the psychological impulse that leads to religious thought patterns and associated behaviors never goes away, it just changes it's target and manifestation.

[ - ] deleted 4 points 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 14:40:28 ago (+4/-0)

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[ - ] MrPancake 1 point 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 14:52:17 ago (+1/-0)

new religion? Talking bushes, zombies, etc etc... Deceit has always been the religion of the masses.

[ - ] texasblood 1 point 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 17:11:05 ago (+1/-0)

Genesis 3:15 aint about religion fools.
Gen 3:15 🎯

[ - ] Psalm_19_1 1 point 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 23:57:41 ago (+1/-0)

Genesis 3:15  And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. 

[ - ] deleted 0 points 2.5 yearsNov 5, 2022 00:12:11 ago (+0/-0)

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[ - ] texasblood 0 points 2.5 yearsNov 5, 2022 10:33:23 ago (+0/-0)

Which is the battle that rages right before us all.
Satan wants everything created to be destroyed.
Especially the human species.
He has already lost

[ - ] bl_nk 0 points 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 21:27:47 ago (+0/-0)

Good no one needs this pedo cult to know right from wrong. thousands of years ago they didn't know anything so they invented gods, thats it.

[ - ] Teefinyomouf 0 points 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 18:40:12 ago (+0/-0)

Natural science is the study of the immediate consequences of God's word. It's basically a Bible study.

[ - ] deleted 0 points 2.5 yearsNov 5, 2022 00:14:27 ago (+0/-0)

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[ - ] deleted 0 points 2.5 yearsNov 5, 2022 00:15:51 ago (+0/-0)

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[ - ] deleted 0 points 2.5 yearsNov 5, 2022 00:17:13 ago (+0/-0)

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[ - ] deleted 0 points 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 17:06:52 ago (+0/-0)

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[ - ] bl_nk 0 points 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 21:25:47 ago (+0/-0)

Gonna need evidence for that whether you like it or not.

[ - ] deleted 0 points 2.5 yearsNov 5, 2022 00:11:06 ago (+0/-0)

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[ - ] bl_nk 0 points 2.5 yearsNov 5, 2022 20:47:00 ago (+0/-0)

There is NOTHING logical about believing in something which has ZERO evidence whatsoever, try again.

[ - ] deleted 0 points 2.5 yearsNov 6, 2022 10:11:01 ago (+0/-0)

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[ - ] Crackinjokes 0 points 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 16:16:47 ago (+0/-0)

If/When word war 3 comes everyone will become religious again in their foxholes.

Sort of a cycle.

I suspect the sameay happen as many people realize they are at risk of untimely early death from the jab. They'll be praying for saving.

[ - ] bl_nk 0 points 2.5 yearsNov 5, 2022 21:08:02 ago (+0/-0)

Why can't god prevent it in the first place ?

[ - ] con77 0 points 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 16:12:01 ago (+0/-0)

The antichrist laughs

[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 0 points 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 23:38:47 ago (+0/-0)

In our faces, he's not even subtle about that.

All these blatantly satanic and occult practices and rituals, they think it's funny that they can just deny it through the media and call us crazy, we have them on video, we have full admissions, but they gaslight us by turning others against us.

[ - ] albatrosv15 0 points 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 16:08:24 ago (+0/-0)

I noticed how fucking old everyone was,
Very logical. Only when people understand they are soon dying they start to believe in god. As the old ironic saying, "there are no atheists in foxholes".
to the conclusion that religion will die in the west
Nah. Exactly same point, "there are no atheists in foxholes". Yeah, there will be less of "religious" people, but old people gonna old.
Now onto your religion: No thanks. Some points tho.
Government has gotten too big
Nah, this is the other way. Individual humanoid is reduced to host of parasitic identities through discovering more vulnerabilities of human mind.
Everything else you wrote is idealistic fairy tale. I mean, it's sweet, but i doubt you will find any support. People are full of shit, usually, and they want more of that, shit.

[ - ] Zyklonbeekeeper 0 points 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 15:24:32 ago (+0/-0)

...humanity is dying....dying just to be like me

[ - ] Rob3122 0 points 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 14:46:42 ago (+2/-2)

Because even the young people can see it's the biggest scam in the history of mankind.

[ - ] Anus_Expander -1 points 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 17:54:52 ago (+0/-1)

Islam is doing fine, praise Allah

[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 0 points 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 19:41:32 ago (+0/-0)

Nope, its also en route to destruction, just lagging behind because of its current lack of technological exposure, but that's changing fast. Its just as doomed as our religion is.

[ - ] Master_Foo -1 points 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 16:42:19 ago (+0/-1)

Nietzsche gave us the antidote to Nihilism.
The death of the Gods is a necessary obstacle on the path of creating a future race of Übermensch.

The bright side is, we have a replacement for the Gods. It's our genes. It turns out we have a biological imperative that is 3.5 billion years older than Jesus.

It's time to return to tradition. The tradition of our Biological Imperative.

[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 0 points 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 17:18:58 ago (+0/-0)

You miss the point, religion won't really die, it will just change itself, what we need is something other than communism and nihilism for people to turn to as the mental space that religious thought occupies shrinks due to the proliferation of knowledge that threatens the current form of Christianity. Right now it's only leftists who have ideologies on offer that exclude those metaphysical concepts like the soul and afterlife from the equation, which is worrying because scientific knowledge is proliferating that directly contradicts those two things, also free will, most people on the right rely upon the Christian framework, if there's no alternative when that gets squeezed out by new information about reality which is accommodating to it, guess who is waiting with open arms? the redditor types with blue checkmarks on twitter and recently active facebook accounts.

[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 17:38:12 ago (+0/-0)

^This is how you know someone never read / understood Nietzsche.
What you are describing in Nihilism. Nietzsche prescribed an antidote to Nihilism, which is the Übermensch. But, you are too dumb to understand what he was talking about.

[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 0 points 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 19:39:14 ago (+0/-0)

rude.

[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 20:08:59 ago (+0/-0)

Yeah, it's rude. But you can do one of two things with it.

Either, you can accept it as valid criticism and ask yourself "Oh, yeah, maybe I'm missing something and maybe I should actually read up on this Nietzsche guy"

Or, you can go self mutilate yourself with a razor like some retarded emo kid.

Quite frankly, I don't give a fuck which one you choose.

[ - ] deleted -1 points 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 14:25:37 ago (+1/-2)

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[ - ] albatrosv15 0 points 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 16:09:53 ago (+0/-0)

Hello Eve.

[ - ] diggernicks -1 points 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 14:37:31 ago (+0/-1)

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