A bunch of it is in Greek and the translating from the Greek to English is where the Jews got involved. Start learning the true meaning by translating from the Greek and their whole christcuck religion for the goy starts to fall apart. That’s how you take the biblical red pill.
jews were involved in translating it into Greek from the various languages the originals were written in, including aramaic and hebrew. jews were also the authors of that original material.
The sad truth is for the most part "original" text doesn't exist, to the point where people don't even know what language the books were written in. Whatever we have is a reconstruction, typically from books that were already translated. It's not even clear that each book of the Bible is an actual single original text.
If you believe that the Bible was divinely guarded, you may as well believe, because the actual textual history is sketch AF.
[ - ] 3Whuurs 1 point 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 03:26:36 ago (+1/-0)
Pretty sure there’s at least 4 books they don’t even know who the authors were. And if you read the books that biblical characters were reading, like the book of Enoch, it doesn’t read anything like the rest of the Bible.
I think growing up in a church that worshipped the literal text was one of the first things that shook my faith. It doesn't make any sense that this particular version of the Bible is divine when scholars can't agree on what the original text was. What it looks like is people freakin' changed it -- either to make the text convenient for themselves or just by being sloppy. It doesn't shock me that 2,000 and 5,000 yr texts have become inconsistent over time. But I don't hang on every word of the freakin' Iliad. Considering how sparse the Bible is on guidance, a word here or there makes a big deal. It would be one thing if it were a long set of consistent guidelines on how to live and we were just uncertain about, but it ain't. The rules are like a sentence here or there smattered among stories, parables, and riddles. Which explains why different churches can't agree on what it says. But it doesn't inspire confidence in me.
Agreed. Neither Catholics or Protestant’s have the edge on these claims either. 1 had 1500 years of claiming the Bible said whatever they wanted it to while they executed people for trying to even read it. And the other had so much access and so many translations that they didn’t even notice or care when Scofield rewrote it to say the most important part of their faith was blind support for the people that crucified their saviour and say he’s still boiling in piss in shit in hell for eternity…
As far as the religion itself, it’s simply a joke that a single written book is supposed to be sufficient to maintain a moral & spiritual instruction for life for more then a decade. Never mind 1000s of years, and especially not across different cultures.
The range of civilizational morals is to vast for anything more then the 10 commandments to be understood universally. And the minute the second translation was made, all those variables made effectiveness almost a moot point.
There’s no way something like the Bible could be effective for multiple cultures without a great validating miracle for each culture at least every generation.
It was compiled from many languages, yet most of the translations were taken from the Aramaic, Greek, and Latin Vulgate.
No, they use the Douay-Reims version, which there are minor differences, which some purists would try to make a big deal out of. The fact that the KJV used the Douay-Reims as one of their sources speaks volumes, being that they were both written within a few years of each other. Some would say that significant improvements were made.
What I find somewhat interesting is the "earliest" versions which are translated from the Classical / Old Syriac (Aramaic, not Hebrew which is a sister language, much as Spanish and Portuguese, but not the same!) .
Of those, I always found the Peshitta to be the most interesting, as this is supposed to be a translation of the new testament only, and missing certain books.
Oddly enough, I was looking online, and it would appear that all the versions where you could easily download the PDF are no longer available, and the translations/ versions that are there are not accurate.
I know I have a pdf around somewhere, I'll try and dig that up if you are interested.
At any rate, if Matt 19:24 does not translate significantly different than KJV or DRA, then that is not an authentic Peshitta, as I see online it seems they have changed the whole thing.
Nice find, while I have read the prefaces to many of the books that Jerome translated, I never saw this one which they are claiming is the preface to his complete work.
[ - ] Name 1 point 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 04:19:59 ago (+1/-0)
Whatever happened to the dead sea scrolls? Why was that memory holed? Turns out that about 85% of those documents are under the control of the Israeli government and will likely never be released. The other 15% are under the control of the Catholic Church and will likely never be released. Of the translations that have been released about 50% or from dissident scholars that jumped ship and published. (from memory. Someone and feel free to correct me)
If you wanna get into some crazy stuff you might wanna look into the Coptic Catholic churches in both Ethiopia and Egypt. Or you could start with books that the pope in Rome excludes from the Bible but other Catholic churches include.
no, original New Testament was written in Greek. Latin Vulgata was just checking parts of Old Testament in Hebrew, if they match correctly.. now we use local language translations from Latin Vulgata.
KJB has already some things written differently or omitted, as was in Luther time common thing, to have bunch of different translations around, that's why Council of Trent made the Latin Vulgate the official biblical text of the Roman Church, so that would be as close to original as it gets.
edit: here is one example, in Psalm 23: KJB says "I shall not want.", while original Bible says "I lack nothing." Not sure how smart you are, but there is a huge difference in those words.
[ + ] Lordbananafist
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If you believe that the Bible was divinely guarded, you may as well believe, because the actual textual history is sketch AF.
[ + ] 3Whuurs
[ - ] 3Whuurs 1 point 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 03:26:36 ago (+1/-0)
And if you read the books that biblical characters were reading, like the book of Enoch, it doesn’t read anything like the rest of the Bible.
[ + ] bonghits4jeebus
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[ + ] 3Whuurs
[ - ] 3Whuurs 0 points 2.5 yearsNov 5, 2022 02:06:49 ago (+0/-0)
Neither Catholics or Protestant’s have the edge on these claims either.
1 had 1500 years of claiming the Bible said whatever they wanted it to while they executed people for trying to even read it.
And the other had so much access and so many translations that they didn’t even notice or care when Scofield rewrote it to say the most important part of their faith was blind support for the people that crucified their saviour and say he’s still boiling in piss in shit in hell for eternity…
As far as the religion itself, it’s simply a joke that a single written book is supposed to be sufficient to maintain a moral & spiritual instruction for life for more then a decade. Never mind 1000s of years, and especially not across different cultures.
The range of civilizational morals is to vast for anything more then the 10 commandments to be understood universally.
And the minute the second translation was made, all those variables made effectiveness almost a moot point.
There’s no way something like the Bible could be effective for multiple cultures without a great validating miracle for each culture at least every generation.
[ + ] ParnellsUprising
[ - ] ParnellsUprising 2 points 2.5 yearsNov 3, 2022 21:22:25 ago (+3/-1)
It was compiled from many languages, yet most of the translations were taken from the Aramaic, Greek, and Latin Vulgate.
No, they use the Douay-Reims version, which there are minor differences, which some purists would try to make a big deal out of.
The fact that the KJV used the Douay-Reims as one of their sources speaks volumes, being that they were both written within a few years of each other. Some would say that significant improvements were made.
What I find somewhat interesting is the "earliest" versions which are translated from the Classical / Old Syriac (Aramaic, not Hebrew which is a sister language, much as Spanish and Portuguese, but not the same!) .
Of those, I always found the Peshitta to be the most interesting, as this is supposed to be a translation of the new testament only, and missing certain books.
Oddly enough, I was looking online, and it would appear that all the versions where you could easily download the PDF are no longer available, and the translations/ versions that are there are not accurate.
I know I have a pdf around somewhere, I'll try and dig that up if you are interested.
At any rate, if Matt 19:24 does not translate significantly different than KJV or DRA, then that is not an authentic Peshitta, as I see online it seems they have changed the whole thing.
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[ - ] Name 1 point 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 04:19:59 ago (+1/-0)
If you wanna get into some crazy stuff you might wanna look into the Coptic Catholic churches in both Ethiopia and Egypt. Or you could start with books that the pope in Rome excludes from the Bible but other Catholic churches include.
Spoiler alert; God likes white people.
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[ + ] doginventer
[ - ] doginventer 1 point 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 15:45:41 ago (+1/-0)
Jews worship themselves.
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[ + ] mxcviel
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KJB has already some things written differently or omitted, as was in Luther time common thing, to have bunch of different translations around, that's why Council of Trent made the Latin Vulgate the official biblical text of the Roman Church, so that would be as close to original as it gets.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Trent
edit: here is one example, in Psalm 23: KJB says "I shall not want.", while original Bible says "I lack nothing." Not sure how smart you are, but there is a huge difference in those words.
[ + ] Panic
[ - ] Panic -1 points 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 00:01:18 ago (+0/-1)
http://www.preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1175
[ + ] texasblood
[ - ] texasblood -2 points 2.5 yearsNov 3, 2022 21:45:00 ago (+1/-3)
Letters were written not books
[ + ] texasblood
[ - ] texasblood 0 points 2.5 yearsNov 4, 2022 11:39:23 ago (+0/-0)
Thanks for the down votes faggotts