It sounds like they still have a few bugs to work out but if they pull it off and somehow figure out how to power your car from a powder, it seems like this would be a world changing event. Toyota already has a hydrogen powered car, the Mirai. Instead of a fuel tank, it would have a place to store powder.
Car fueling stations could be designed to make the powder. If they eventually found a way to do it on a smaller scale, you might be able to create hydrogen powder at your house using solar panels. They wouldn't need to make all the expensive batteries or dig oil out of the ground and delivering it all over the world. If it could be easily converted from powder to gas in small amounts at a time with equipment on the car, it would be safer than gasoline or electric batteries. Any hydrogen gas explosions would be extremely minor.
Could it one day power your house as well? Figure out some sort of liquid that could carry the powder without igniting the powder. It could be pumped to houses the same way water pipes pump water to houses.
Powdered hydrogen will do nothing for fuel cell powered cars. H2 cars are a failure because they require minimum 5000 psi tanks to get necessary H2 energy density requured to travel any usefull distance.
Powdered hydrogen is at atmospheric pressure AFAIK and nowhere near 5-10 ksi. Additionally, all hydrogen fuel cell "green" characteristics are lost when hydrogen is created through h2o electrolysis or stripped from mined methane natural gas. Hydrogen powered cars are a con job regardless of how the hydrogen gas is stored or conveyed. It's all bullshit. H2 cars are zero tailpipe emission, but manufacturing the H2 is filthy.
[ - ] TheYiddler 1 point 1.6 yearsSep 26, 2022 08:13:13 ago (+1/-0)*
The relevant measurement is energy density: kJ/kg. Gaseous hydrogen has a low energy density when you count the weight of the tank. The point of using powder is to convert the hydrogen to a solid where it can be stored at high density without a heavy tank.
[ - ] autotic 1 point 1.6 yearsSep 26, 2022 11:06:36 ago (+1/-0)
The two or three methods I've seen for solid state H2 do not require much of a tank as the H2 is released from powder/from a "tape" as it is needed.
Paired with SSH2, there's been some recent chatter about a method of capturing H2 which is not nearly so energy intensive..it's nearly passive.
I'm not in this field so I can't verify the claims. I'm just pointing out that there are supposed solutions to both of those technical hurdles.
H2 with passive capture could possibly be better than efficient distributed solar generation and decent batteries in terms of giving us an option that is not subject to the "energy policy" whims of the Tyrannical Overclass. I'm cautiously optimistic.
I don't know about powdered hydrogen, but based on a conversation I had regarding the Mirai and hydrogen tech, here's what I understand.
The safest way to transport hydrogen is in the form of ammonia. Once delivered to a fuel station, the ammonia would be converted to hydrogen and you'll refuel your hydrogen vehicle. Secondly, Shell (Royal Dutch Shell) has a deal with a private company to install hydrogen fueling systems at their gas stations. I wouldn't consider an electric vehicle, but hydrogen interests me.
Vancouver ran hydrogen buses and had no problem. They ditched them because the cost to run the hydrogen buses was 3 times that of diesel. But hey have hydro power and run old fashioned electric trolley buses as well.
From what I understand - admittedly not much - the cost of the hydrogen itself is pretty huge. H2 generation in bulk is still very much in its infancy, and costs can be as high as $1-2 per kwh - which is crazy for anyone trying to get economic efficiency.
[ - ] 3Whuurs 1 point 1.6 yearsSep 26, 2022 01:20:51 ago (+3/-2)
As far as safety, hydrogen is much more stable then gasoline, but it’s 500% more explosive and faster. So there’s hardly such thing as a hydrogen explosion that’s “extremely minor”.
I only skimmed the article but if they’re relying on the same electrolysis process to make the powder from water as they do normally, it takes a LOT of electricity to make H. There’s approx 1800 litres of H in a litre of water, and you can pump 10amps into a litre of water with tons of K0H (potassium hydroxide) or Lye as a caustic for conductivity, and it takes weeks to get that 1800 litres out.
These hydrogen generator guys on YouTube are 99.99% full of shit. There’s all these videos of dry cells producing a litre a minute or whatever, but they’re WAYYYY passed the point of diminishing returns with the fuel they’re burning to create the electricity needed for that.
I know this for a fact cause I ran my car with a one of those in it for 50,000 miles and tried every configuration on line and not one worked. But I found a configuration that did, and it was just consuming tiny amounts of amps to produce small amounts as a catalyst and that worked.
But electrolysis takes TONS of power to separate H & O2.
You always get a LOT of volume when you get gas out of matter in a different state, even if you pressurize it. Hydrogen is the least dense gas, so it needs the biggest volume of them all to store the same mass. This is how it looks on the Shuttle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_external_tank#Components
Wait, you actually ran one of those on your vehicle without realizing it's a scam? Those tiny amounts of amps you mentioned are generated by burning extra gas in your engine, right? There are no free lunches.
Forgive me if I misunderstood your original comment, but didn't you say you (assumedly) purchased, installed, and drove 50k miles (in a car, not a high torque truck like you asked me about) with a voodoo device? A device that when hitting the mainstream in the early 2000s already had anyone with a brain saying it was voodoo hocum?
No free lunches is an old and commonly used term in physics. I didn't mean to confuse you. You see, any energy you draw from your car, be it from the engine, towing something, or drawing from the alternator will decrease economy. It doesn't matter that you're using low amps to generate and pump in H. Whatever you gain from this you lost more in fuel consumption. No free lunches, it's not afree energy scenario, all crayons aside. I feel silly for typing this out.
You do realize the average internal combustion engine can increase its mileage by up to 400% just by utilizing the energy already there right?
That's a strange way to say the ICE is only ~25% efficient. Did I misunderstand again that you somehow used this wasted heat in your low amperage voodoo device? Is there a secondary sterling engine under your hood? Perhaps a hillbilly version of what powers voyager I and II?
One more thing, and it's about the lack of minor hydrogen explosions. You don't see "minor" hydrogen explosions because unlike gasoline, hydrogen doesn't leak out and puddle and "minorly" catch fire. Hydrogen leaks and goes up up and away. You don't kick a lantern of it over and burn down your barn. In my opinion, this would make it more safe than sitting on lithium cells or driving a pinto.
Forgive me if I misunderstood your original comment, but didn't you say you (assumedly) purchased, installed, and drove 50k miles (in a car, not a high torque truck like you asked me about) with a voodoo device? A device that when hitting the mainstream in the early 2000s already had anyone with a brain saying it was voodoo hocum?
Correct lol you misunderstood, sorry this has been so confusing for you. Glad to get you sorted out.You’re welcome.
In the image on that page it shows a huge tank in the car to store the hydrogen. No matter what they say, still seems dangerous to have an pressurized gas behind your children. I can't find anything online about the powder form being explosive or not. If they could store the powder in the car and have a little converter to convert it back to a gas in small amounts at a time, it seems like it could be the safest way to store energy.
I don't know anything about the process to make it. Would it be a good use of a dams power to create hydrogen power? How about solar panels in the desert? Regardless, it seems like this has more potential than more windmills.
I know next to nothing about chemistry, but it sounds cool. Is hydrogen really explosive in a way that other fuels are not? I know it's quite flammable, and you have to store it under high pressure to make it useful. I guess that makes it prone to explosion. But if you're not having to store it that way, is it really more dangerous than gasoline?
I believe hydrogen can either be stored in a liquid state by freezing it to negative 300 something degrees or it can be stored under mass amounts of pressure in order to store it in quantity, both not the easiest or safest way to store hydrogen. If hydrogen can't generate enough energy to create the pressure to store itself or fuel enough freezers to freeze it, then it might as well be a windmill or solar panel. If they can figure out how to cheaply and efficiently turn water into hydrogen and then turn that hydrogen into a powder for storage, it seems like it would change the world forever.
I think cheaply (in terms of energy) turning water into hydrogen and oxygen violates the laws of physics. When you burn hydrogen (the opposite process) you get a big release of energy. So separating it requires a big input.
That doesn't rule out using it for fuel, though. We already know various ways to generate large amounts of energy in a large facility. The problem with hydrogen as fuel has been storing it in an energy-dense fashion and the whole transportation and fueling process.
Fission is really neither here nor there. Separating hydrogen from oxygen is endothermic, meaning you have to put in energy for that to happen. Efficient can mean different things, but you're going to have to input energy. If you mean cheaply as in dollars, then that depends on how much the energy costs you.
It’s far more stable then gasoline. Like fumes won’t waft slowly across a room and lite from spark, but it’s 5 times more combustible, or combusts 5x faster. And it’s exhaust is pure water. You don’t have to compress it to be useful, but storage would be impossible without compression. There’s 1800 lites of hydrogen in a litre of water.
Bob Lazar made his car run on Hydride that he makes himself. It’s solid state in tanks and is 100% safe, you can even fire a gun into the tanks and they won’t explode.
The only reason you can’t make it yourself is cause you need a particle accelerator to make it, and you have to be a Physicist to operate one.
I thought a particle accelerator was a joke line from Back to the Future. I honestly know very little about hydrogen, care to share more details about this guy and why one needs a particle accelerator and what it does?
I’m 99% sure it’s called a particle accelerator but he’ll clarify in the video.
The guy in the video is Bob Lazar, that’s the guy that claimed since the 80s that he worked on flying saucers in area51. And everyone called bullshit on him but his story has never been debunked and he predicted a TON of shit like technology and even elements that weren’t known about for 30 years after
His education and background check out, he is a genius and shit like this hydride car are all real.
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[ - ] Special_Prosecutor 3 points 1.6 yearsSep 26, 2022 03:47:58 ago (+3/-0)*
H2 cars are a failure because they require minimum 5000 psi tanks to get necessary H2 energy density requured to travel any usefull distance.
Powdered hydrogen is at atmospheric pressure AFAIK and nowhere near 5-10 ksi.
Additionally, all hydrogen fuel cell "green" characteristics are lost when hydrogen is created through h2o electrolysis or stripped from mined methane natural gas.
Hydrogen powered cars are a con job regardless of how the hydrogen gas is stored or conveyed. It's all bullshit.
H2 cars are zero tailpipe emission, but manufacturing the H2 is filthy.
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[ - ] TheYiddler 1 point 1.6 yearsSep 26, 2022 08:13:13 ago (+1/-0)*
[ + ] autotic
[ - ] autotic 1 point 1.6 yearsSep 26, 2022 11:06:36 ago (+1/-0)
Paired with SSH2, there's been some recent chatter about a method of capturing H2 which is not nearly so energy intensive..it's nearly passive.
I'm not in this field so I can't verify the claims. I'm just pointing out that there are supposed solutions to both of those technical hurdles.
H2 with passive capture could possibly be better than efficient distributed solar generation and decent batteries in terms of giving us an option that is not subject to the "energy policy" whims of the Tyrannical Overclass. I'm cautiously optimistic.
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[ - ] lord_nougat 3 points 1.6 yearsSep 26, 2022 00:57:58 ago (+3/-0)
Just add water!
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[ - ] SilentByAssociation 1 point 1.6 yearsSep 26, 2022 02:41:38 ago (+1/-0)
The safest way to transport hydrogen is in the form of ammonia. Once delivered to a fuel station, the ammonia would be converted to hydrogen and you'll refuel your hydrogen vehicle. Secondly, Shell (Royal Dutch Shell) has a deal with a private company to install hydrogen fueling systems at their gas stations. I wouldn't consider an electric vehicle, but hydrogen interests me.
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[ - ] 3Whuurs 1 point 1.6 yearsSep 26, 2022 01:20:51 ago (+3/-2)
I only skimmed the article but if they’re relying on the same electrolysis process to make the powder from water as they do normally, it takes a LOT of electricity to make H.
There’s approx 1800 litres of H in a litre of water, and you can pump 10amps into a litre of water with tons of K0H (potassium hydroxide) or Lye as a caustic for conductivity, and it takes weeks to get that 1800 litres out.
These hydrogen generator guys on YouTube are 99.99% full of shit. There’s all these videos of dry cells producing a litre a minute or whatever, but they’re WAYYYY passed the point of diminishing returns with the fuel they’re burning to create the electricity needed for that.
I know this for a fact cause I ran my car with a one of those in it for 50,000 miles and tried every configuration on line and not one worked. But I found a configuration that did, and it was just consuming tiny amounts of amps to produce small amounts as a catalyst and that worked.
But electrolysis takes TONS of power to separate H & O2.
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[ - ] i_scream_trucks 2 points 1.6 yearsSep 26, 2022 01:42:45 ago (+2/-0)
how do you get 1000 litres of one thing, out of one litre of another?
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[ - ] 3Whuurs -1 points 1.6 yearsSep 26, 2022 14:59:17 ago (+0/-1)
Still waiting for you to clue in to how this isn’t a free energy scenario you crayon eating ring twink lol
You do realize the average internal combustion engine can increase its mileage by up to 400% just by utilizing the energy already there right?
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[ - ] ruck_feddit 0 points 1.6 yearsSep 26, 2022 16:55:26 ago (+0/-0)
No free lunches is an old and commonly used term in physics. I didn't mean to confuse you. You see, any energy you draw from your car, be it from the engine, towing something, or drawing from the alternator will decrease economy. It doesn't matter that you're using low amps to generate and pump in H. Whatever you gain from this you lost more in fuel consumption. No free lunches, it's not afree energy scenario, all crayons aside. I feel silly for typing this out.
That's a strange way to say the ICE is only ~25% efficient. Did I misunderstand again that you somehow used this wasted heat in your low amperage voodoo device? Is there a secondary sterling engine under your hood? Perhaps a hillbilly version of what powers voyager I and II?
One more thing, and it's about the lack of minor hydrogen explosions. You don't see "minor" hydrogen explosions because unlike gasoline, hydrogen doesn't leak out and puddle and "minorly" catch fire. Hydrogen leaks and goes up up and away. You don't kick a lantern of it over and burn down your barn. In my opinion, this would make it more safe than sitting on lithium cells or driving a pinto.
[ + ] 3Whuurs
[ - ] 3Whuurs 0 points 1.6 yearsSep 26, 2022 17:04:40 ago (+0/-0)
Correct lol you misunderstood, sorry this has been so confusing for you.
Glad to get you sorted out.You’re welcome.
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[ - ] Swej_Ehtsag [op] 0 points 1.6 yearsSep 26, 2022 01:36:59 ago (+1/-1)
In the image on that page it shows a huge tank in the car to store the hydrogen. No matter what they say, still seems dangerous to have an pressurized gas behind your children. I can't find anything online about the powder form being explosive or not. If they could store the powder in the car and have a little converter to convert it back to a gas in small amounts at a time, it seems like it could be the safest way to store energy.
I don't know anything about the process to make it. Would it be a good use of a dams power to create hydrogen power? How about solar panels in the desert? Regardless, it seems like this has more potential than more windmills.
[ + ] i_scream_trucks
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That doesn't rule out using it for fuel, though. We already know various ways to generate large amounts of energy in a large facility. The problem with hydrogen as fuel has been storing it in an energy-dense fashion and the whole transportation and fueling process.
[ + ] i_scream_trucks
[ - ] i_scream_trucks 0 points 1.6 yearsSep 26, 2022 01:44:28 ago (+0/-0)
youre correct on it taking a lot of power to seperate the H and O but it certainly doesnt break any scientific laws (or it wouldnt be happening)
toyota is also already building hydrogen cars.
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[ - ] 3Whuurs 0 points 1.6 yearsSep 26, 2022 01:27:35 ago (+0/-0)
You don’t have to compress it to be useful, but storage would be impossible without compression. There’s 1800 lites of hydrogen in a litre of water.
[ + ] 3Whuurs
[ - ] 3Whuurs 0 points 1.6 yearsSep 26, 2022 01:02:28 ago (+0/-0)
https://youtu.be/wjeM2IBhtlc
Bob Lazar made his car run on Hydride that he makes himself.
It’s solid state in tanks and is 100% safe, you can even fire a gun into the tanks and they won’t explode.
The only reason you can’t make it yourself is cause you need a particle accelerator to make it, and you have to be a Physicist to operate one.
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[ - ] i_scream_trucks 2 points 1.6 yearsSep 26, 2022 01:46:40 ago (+2/-0)
as in - none of what he says is based in reality.
ps - you can fire a bullet into a normal petrol tank too and not make it explode. its not the petrol that goes boom, its the vapours.
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[ - ] 3Whuurs 0 points 1.6 yearsSep 26, 2022 01:45:46 ago (+0/-0)
I’m 99% sure it’s called a particle accelerator but he’ll clarify in the video.
The guy in the video is Bob Lazar, that’s the guy that claimed since the 80s that he worked on flying saucers in area51.
And everyone called bullshit on him but his story has never been debunked and he predicted a TON of shit like technology and even elements that weren’t known about for 30 years after
His education and background check out, he is a genius and shit like this hydride car are all real.
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