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What are the biggest mistakes the founding fathers made in the constitution, and what measures do you think could be taken to restore a land for European people?

submitted by GrayDragon to USPolitics 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 03:23:52 ago (+13/-0)     (USPolitics)

Credit given to Smedleys_Butler-1 from Poal. It is a good discussion idea, but since I am banned from Poal, I figure I would bring it here.

I'll start: The primary mistake was making the Constitution in the first place over the Articles of the Confederation. The Constitution heavily centralized power over the disparate states.

Also, it would be like a bunch of modern congressmen going behind closed doors today and then coming out with a new form of government while saying, "You all agree with it, you elected me!"

The Constitutional Convention in my faggot city of Philadelphia was a non-violent (luckily) coup. Sorry.

E: I want to reiterate, it was a coup. They had zero authority to make the faggot Constitution.


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[ - ] Joe_McCarthy -1 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 03:57:23 ago (+0/-1)*

It's the problem with every liberal system - that is to place priority on ideals no higher than making money and protecting property. This goes into some more detail:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Economic_Interpretation_of_the_Constitution_of_the_United_States

A function of liberalism is also to encourage checks and balances. This encourages the development of factions - which makes it very difficult to wield the machinery of state in a crisis. And once party or business interests become dominant in a factional environment immigration is all but inevitable.

Ideally you'd probably want a provision for a dictator as the Roman republic did or direct democracy to vest more power in the hands of workers. You also need better values than the ethics of merchants. I'm an aesthete. As such I believe in the cultivation of the beautiful.

In the US we'll need secession. A homeland for white people could be set up in the whiter areas. Automatic citizenship could be granted to foreign whites to encourage them to come here. Given how things are developing I think there is a fair chance we'll get there even. Some of us are just liable to end up dead or in prison first. Or have to undergo hardship. But that should be ok. People should not live for material pursuits. Not now. There are higher ideals. Higher values than that.

[ - ] AryanPrime 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 12:24:31 ago (+0/-0)

oh look the pedo kike wants to talk like he has a valid contribution to the discussion

No, pedo kikes trying to pretend they are not crypto kikes who are easily spotted don't get to contribute to this country or anything else for that matter

kikes like you should be shot on sight

[ - ] Joe_McCarthy 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 15:48:18 ago (+0/-0)

It's more like blatant disruptors like you should be banned. You wouldn't have lasted a week at the first iteration of OE.

[ - ] diggernicks 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 17:39:52 ago (+0/-0)

Censorship is for gay reddit communist niggers

If thats how you think its best you go elsewhere

[ - ] Joe_McCarthy 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 18:15:06 ago (+0/-0)

Not necessarily. It can also be for far right racialists. Hence the first OE. We had order. We didn't have this free-for-all wide open to be disrupted by trolls, assholes, and hostile actors. The key is giving primacy to cerebral hygiene and taking a dim view of retardism and flaming.

You're a troll though. Of course you'd say that.

[ - ] diggernicks 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 18:16:16 ago (+0/-0)

Youre obviously too fragile for actual free speech

America isn't for you

Go ahead and leave

[ - ] Joe_McCarthy 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 18:47:42 ago (+0/-0)

I'm anti-nonsense. Particularly anti-nonsense taking over a platform. Is America nonsense? An open question. But these forums are international anyway.

[ - ] diggernicks 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 18:48:39 ago (+0/-0)

Internet=/=serious business

Stay off it youll be fine

[ - ] AryanPrime 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 19, 2022 12:45:39 ago (+0/-0)

both you and diggernicks are kikes

Kikes are my enemy

Pedophile promoting kikes especially (you joe)

Kikes like you would be dealt with on site if you lived where I live, which is why you kikes hide in your gated communities, you are afraid of people like me, and you know it

stop pretending to be "one of us" kike, kikes are not White people, kikes are not human beings, kikes are evil child raping, blood libeling niggerfaggots who should be eradicated from existence


Dumb nigger kike joe admits it's kike friend diggernicks is a troll but responds to him as if he has legitimate points...just 2 kikes manipulating optics

See kike, scum like you isn't welcome in our White America, which is the only people who are legally Americans, because the Hart-Kellar act of 1965 is illegal and void

Non Whites are not allowed to emigrate to America, that includes kikes like you

Seethe harder pedo posting kike

[ - ] AryanPrime 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 19, 2022 12:46:39 ago (+0/-0)

"actual free speech"

No kike gets free speech digger...not you or any other inbred kike...free speech is a White people thing...things we make for our people in our country do not have to be afforded to blood libeling inbred kikes like you

You are beneath us..why should you have access to our things?

What a dumb kike thing to say

[ - ] diggernicks 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 19, 2022 21:18:28 ago (+0/-0)

I'm still here talking

You are still very butthurt

Internet working as intended

[ - ] diggernicks 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 09:24:15 ago (+0/-0)

You unamerican nigger lover

[ - ] AryanPrime 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 12:23:42 ago (+0/-0)

kike...you are a nigger, all kikes have 40% nigger DNA

get the fuck out of White countries kikes

[ - ] diggernicks 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 14:19:25 ago (+0/-0)

Post your address you weak little cunt tinfoil buttplug fan

Ill come over and you can try and make me

[ - ] x0x7 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 09:50:47 ago (+0/-0)

Not implementing a parallel over government that can only prosecute government officials. You should have two congresses, two executives, and two judicials, the people vote for both, but one only has the capacity to regulate and prosecute the one that has the capacity to prosecute and regulate people.

Also not making it easier to add amendments that remove rights of the government rather than grant.

Not preventing a central bank in the Bill of Rights.

[ - ] Zyklonbeekeeper 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 13:23:08 ago (+0/-0)

The failure to off themselves in a ceremonial suicide was their BIGGEST MISTAKE

[ - ] Crackinjokes 1 point 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 05:46:27 ago (+1/-0)

If you read pamphlets on the Constitution which were the pamphlets that were distributed to States rather to colonies to try to get them to vote to adopt the new constitution in 1787 you quickly realize that by freedom of religion or rather a person's religion not being able to be held against them when adopting them for public office what they meant was the variation in Christianity specifically they wanted to avoid the Catholic versus Protestant retaliations that it happened in England when a Catholic versus a Protestant came to the throne. They openly say how ridiculous it is to think that Americans would ever tolerate a mahatmaan in other words a Muslim in america. They never meant freedom of religion so that all these other religions would be allowed in adopted in america. They took it for granted that everybody knew that the fundamental basis for life liberty and the pursuit of happiness which founded the principles of the United States in which the Constitution was trying to defend were only promoted by Christianity and in fact of course really Protestant Christianity as almost all founders of the country were Protestant Christians and only one Catholic even signed the founding documents. This is because only Protestant Christians believe that a person's right to self-determination and Liberty and happiness comes from within that person and is innate rather than having to be gotten by permission from a king or a pope.

[ - ] diggernicks 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 09:26:26 ago (+1/-1)

The kkk used to be pretty cool guys, then their balls fell off

They used to understand catholics are enemies of america just as much as niggers

[ - ] AryanPrime 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 12:21:56 ago (+0/-0)

but you are a kike so your entire statement is dismissed...perhapse it's true...perhapse not

but kikes like you don't get to contribute here...you are simply dismissed as the gaslighting kike you are

Why do you even come here anymore? literally everyone on here knows you are an inbred khazarian inbred kike

[ - ] diggernicks 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 14:21:12 ago (+0/-0)

Literally less than zero fucks given what random internet tinfoil buttplug enthusiasts think of me

Your intense asshurt is all the encouragement I require to continue posting

[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 07:00:54 ago (+1/-0)

The Constitution is fine. It's the changes made to the Constitution that's part of the problem and the biggest part of the problem is the non-enforcement.

[ - ] taoV 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 13:51:25 ago (+0/-0)

As the highest source of law, it falls on the Constitution to preserve itself. If it was so easily changed, either that is by design or it is not fine.

[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 17:50:14 ago (+0/-0)

Pieces of paper can't preserve themselves. It takes people, using the rule of law, to force the government to obey the laws imposed against that government.

And, when you look into the amendments, many weren't legitimately ratified.

[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 1 point 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 09:27:45 ago (+2/-1)

1. private property rights. i.e. gubmint can't dictate what i do with my own property


2. religious freedom was intended to be freedom of CHRISTIAN worship, not hindu, buddhist, muslim, etc.


3. judicial review of bills/laws prior to enactment. our current system allows congress to pass any law they want, however unconstitutional, and it is up to the citizens to challenge it in court. this allows for all sorts of politicians screwing around, and forces the citizens to engage in costly legal battles.


4. TERM LIMITS


I am sure I could think of more, but this is just off the top of my head.

[ - ] diggernicks -1 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 09:42:01 ago (+1/-2)

Fuck nigger loving anti abortion christ cucks

Theyre enemies of americs

[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 2 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 11:58:49 ago (+2/-0)

I am an enemy of what America has turned into. I am not an enemy of what America was, and still should be.

[ - ] Sector7 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 13:57:49 ago (+0/-0)

Previous America was the precursor to current America. There were clearly exploitable flaws that no one bothered to correct.

[ - ] diggernicks 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 14:23:53 ago (+0/-0)

If youre anti abortion youre a nigger lover

0 exceptions

[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 16:55:59 ago (+0/-0)

digger, I would love to hang out in a college bar with you and watch you hate-bomb anyone who walks by.
That would actually be lots of fun.

[ - ] diggernicks 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 16:57:57 ago (+0/-0)

I dont drink though

[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 17:29:42 ago (+0/-0)

Honestly I don't drink that much either, maybe 1 beer a month. My choice of the location is purely for the clientele proving to be cheap and easy targets.

[ - ] diggernicks 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 17:30:35 ago (+0/-0)

ok

[ - ] AryanPrime 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 12:23:22 ago (+0/-0)

awww the kike confers "Christians" and "Catholics" clearly he can't figure out which demonination he's talking about

He can't even articulate that he is a kike properly and that's why his vindictive behavior is constant...because he is from a group of inbred genetics and sexual abuse, which causes severe mental malformations in kikes at an early age

This is why you are the way you are kike, it has nothing to do with "Christians" it's just you filthy kikes being filthy

[ - ] diggernicks 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 14:18:50 ago (+0/-0)

I fucked your mother

Anally

Raw

[ - ] Doglegwarrior 1 point 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 10:36:38 ago (+1/-0)

Here is how the constitution should have started

1. No jews in this nation ever
2. Seriously no jews in this nation ever
3. Just to be fucking clear no jews in this nation ever and maybe we should go wipe them off the face of the earth.
4. Goverment can never have the power to kill a human that is up to god

[ - ] diggernicks 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 14:27:42 ago (+0/-0)

God doesn't exist

Rule 0 should've been "Gas all catholics"

[ - ] Thyhorrorcosmic103 2 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 04:53:15 ago (+2/-0)

The Founders did not think much of the common mans ability to make wise decisions, which is why we have a representative government with a Senate.

[ - ] Doglegwarrior 1 point 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 10:40:00 ago (+1/-0)

Original constitution only white land owning males could vote. If this was never changed I think we would be fine.

We shouldn't criticize the original document it was fine it was the later amendments that fucked the white man particularly opening up voting

[ - ] Sector7 1 point 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 14:43:27 ago (+1/-0)

If the original document allows for modification, then it has no substance at all.

[ - ] BoozyB 1 point 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 12:47:24 ago (+1/-0)

If we could repeal the 17th Amendment and revert to election of senators by state legislatures as originally provided for, a lot of our present problems would go away.

[ - ] observation1 2 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 10:08:37 ago (+2/-0)

Term limits.

Explicit Succession law.

Explicit 2nd amendment, written so a 4 year old can understand.

Information about yourself being sold without your consent or ultimate control.

The worst:

Allowing corporations to be a vehicle to do government bidding, that they're unable to.

[ - ] Rebooted 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 12:22:15 ago (+0/-0)

I'd argue the 2nd is already written so a child can understand. I've read and explained it to kids and they get it.

"A people have the right to defend themselves, which includes having arms and coordinating/training with each other in what we call militias. The government is not allowed to infringe on the ability or right to do this."

All infringements on the 2nd come down to the argument "Yea, this goes against the law but it would be nice for some people if others didn't have arms." Lots of movement in the legal realm around the 2a right now. The existence of the NFA and by extension the ATF is being looked at.

[ - ] rhy 3 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 07:27:28 ago (+3/-0)

They didn't explicitly deny federal agencies and armies. If there was no IRS, FBI, FED, NSA, CIA, et al: We'd be in a utopia by now.

[ - ] Crackinjokes 4 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 05:20:12 ago (+4/-0)

Well if they had included the sunset law provision in the original Constitution many of the problems that government create would be avoided. The sunset law simply would say that every law passed by Congress has to be renewed by Congress after a year or two. So instead of getting this incredible stack of bad laws and increasing governmental authority and control which just sit there after they've been passed and never go away they would have to muster the political strength and majority in Congress to repass the same bad laws over and over and that would not be possible. That's the biggest mistake the constitutional founders made and it it makes all the difference in fact I think 90% of the problems of large government would go away if they had just forced Congress to repass laws every year or two instead of them staying on the books. I mean imagine Congress trying to repast Social security every year or two or half the gun laws or just half the laws. Or we justifying funding the FBI's creation every year or two because we're not just talking about the annual budgets we're talking about the money to create them.

Another big mistake Congress made is they should have not allowed Congress to pass a law that would require future payouts. Congress should have been limited to passing laws and systems that only pay out for their term. So today's Congress would not be allowed to pass something like Social security which anticipated the collection of money today over the next 30 or 40 years to then be paid out in the future because that would have exceeded the term of the current congress. When a current Congress passes a program that is going to exist into the window of the next Congress then the current Congress is actually stealing authority from future congresses both to do alternate things with the money but also to establish or destroy that program to begin with.

So I really think if the founding fathers had put those two things into the Constitution that the original country as it was outlined by the founders would be much more intact today than it is now.

[ - ] Sector7 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 14:40:18 ago (+0/-0)

As the game NOMIC illustrated, a system with mechanisms for self-modification can morph into something completely different. In this case, a sunset law can simply be voted down and nullified. Players could propose a rule to immunize themselves against the rules, or really, create any type of rule at all that can be codified.

Nomic is a game created in 1982 by philosopher Peter Suber, the rules of which include mechanisms for changing those rules, usually beginning by way of democratic voting.

https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.46.2257&rep=rep1&type=pdf

[ - ] ForgottenMemes 5 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 12:51:14 ago (+5/-0)

1. One family one vote. Man or widow casts the vote. No childless (adoptions don't count) or unmarried persons can vote or hold office.
2. No non-white or hostile religion (islam, jew) may be a citizen, only a resident. Only citizens can vote, hold office, be in the military, own land. Only citizens may work in defense, intelligence, policing, banking and media.
3. Welfare programs, corporate and individual, are forbidden. Foreign aid is forbidden. Any gifts to foreign countries must be funded through voluntary donations.
4. Any gifts to elected officials over $100 are bribes. Accepting bribes is a death penalty offense.
5. Campaigning for public office is forbidden. Citizens get to know candidates at appointed, publicly funded times and places. Public debates, meet and greets, etc.
6. All male citizens over 18 must own a firearm.

[ - ] Doglegwarrior 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 17, 2022 14:19:11 ago (+0/-0)

Great list

[ - ] taoV 6 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 05:53:51 ago (+6/-0)*

1. A stricter commerce clause, to prevent the many abuses done in it's name.
2. Make revolt against tyranny a requirement, not a right.
3. Preptively kill corporate personhood
4. Hell, include a whole bill of anti-rights that limit the powers of certain institutions, so liberties are focused on citizens instead.
5. Wfite men with some skin in the game (property, military service, etc) ONLY can vote. Full and complete stop forever.

[ - ] GeneralDisarray 2 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 11:38:37 ago (+2/-0)

Extend the 25th amendment to include all people working in powerful gatekeeping jobs!

No psychopaths are allowed to be politicians, officials, generals, judges, cops or arbitrators of any kind.

Fully psychological evaluation and brain scans mandatory for these jobs and membership of secret societies while employed in these jobs is treason.

All the bullshit we have had forced on us was entirely preventable. Psychopaths where allowed to take over everything of importance and weaponize it against the people.

[ - ] Sector7 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 13:51:29 ago (+0/-0)

That's because Osho, the cult leader, was correct when he said the problem with democracy is that the people are retarded. But that's the basic problem with civilization too. We're a mammal species that thinks we're intelligent, but it only takes a glance at our civilization and societies to see the reality.

[ - ] PotatoWhisperer 1 point 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 10:35:14 ago (+2/-1)

6. Non-Whites only allowed in certain areas in zoos, diplomatic zones in specially designed areas on the outsides of our giant walls(still within our lands, for legal purposes), and in heavily bordered/walled hunting preserves.

[ - ] Doglegwarrior 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 10:37:51 ago (+0/-0)

I'd add no franchises no national scale business at all and certainly no international business in america

[ - ] taoV 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 13:42:43 ago (+0/-0)

I def agree on international business, globalism breaks national trade.

[ - ] Master_Foo 12 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 03:38:33 ago (+12/-0)

The founding fathers were squeemish about curb stomping baby Jews. That's what doomed the American experiment.

[ - ] Ironcrusader88 2 points 2.7 yearsSep 16, 2022 12:55:55 ago (+2/-0)

Because they were Freemasons and were funded by many Jewish bankers that’s why they were kosher besides being White nationalists and loving guns which are really the only things they were good for