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Even the programmers being hired from USA are doing a bad job writing software.

submitted by anon to AnonTalk 2.7 yearsSep 14, 2022 14:38:24 ago (+8/-0)     (AnonTalk)

Im in IT now as part of a team that finds bugs in a proprietary software.

For the past 5 months we've been dealing with a problem a customer had because of reasons unknown until recently. There were many, many several hour long phone calls with many highly paid people (each of the calls alone were in the 5 figure range for the combined pay rate). I spent 2 weeks straight going through our system compiling a gigantic spreadsheet of information. All of this was happening while our normal workload was coming through and created a heavily degraded quality of service. And the normal red alerts were going off from time to time, compounding the issue greatly. During this period the company gave very large credits to the customer to retain them.

It turns out in the end, at least 35% of the problem was the customer submitting improperly formatted data to us, and a simple pre conditions check would have caught all of this the first time they tried it. They recently overhauled the software in the past 4-5 years or less and didn't put these checks in there. Not only would these checks have stop this catastrophic incident, but it would reduced our ticket load HOURS per instance, at a minimum. These things happen every day, or at the very least several times per week. I guess this makes job security for me, but wow. How did a program written in 2017-18 not have pre conditions when the stakes are this high? I don't actually know the dev team. Is it possible there are boomers there who don't know modern programming practices (yeah yeah preconditions have been around but they were preached like they are now).

What is going on that these enormous costs are incurred?

Update: there is an amount of outsourcing going on, but every time I've been on a call with a programmer they're American.


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[ - ] anon 6255222 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 14, 2022 21:58:01 ago (+0/-0)

are you shitting me? Yes, its all boomer.
I dont like to blame boomers but this segment is all them.
They wouldnt let us learn ASM but now they expect to keep riding cobol and java (they mostly never learned c++)

[ - ] anon 4012371 1 point 2.7 yearsSep 14, 2022 19:41:00 ago (+1/-0)

Programmers born after 1975 don't have the same deep understanding and linear thinking that programmers born before that time have.

[ - ] anon 3441728 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 14, 2022 21:25:32 ago (+0/-0)

They do, the problem is there's just not that many real "programmers". 30 years ago, you only did it if you loved it and lived it. Now every imbecile is trying to do it.

[ - ] anon 3102419 1 point 2.7 yearsSep 14, 2022 19:25:07 ago (+1/-0)

As someone who works in the data tech sector, I guarantee the people who actually wrote that code were pajeets. The people supporting it and speaking for it may be Americans, but pajeets wrote that shitty code.

[ - ] deleted 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 14, 2022 21:24:48 ago (+0/-0)

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[ - ] anon 3629317 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 14, 2022 17:32:18 ago (+0/-0)

Because it's not the developers. It's the product owners and project managers and execs who push what will and won't go in. And on the rare instance where this isn't happening, the developers have "code fatigue." They're tired, they make mistakes. They don't get caught in code reviews (if they have them) or in quality control (if there's any).

[ - ] deleted -2 points 2.7 yearsSep 14, 2022 16:45:24 ago (+0/-2)

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[ - ] anon 6844527 1 point 2.7 yearsSep 14, 2022 21:11:35 ago (+1/-0)

Do you buy beach front property while espousing the dangers of climate change?

[ - ] deleted 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 14, 2022 21:44:25 ago (+0/-0)

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[ - ] bobdole9 1 point 2.7 yearsSep 14, 2022 15:55:40 ago (+1/-0)

How did a program written in 2017-18 not have pre conditions when the stakes are this high? I don't actually know the dev team

Welcome to Pajeet Programming! Or, they hired the most diverse developers possible - skill and knowledge be damned.

[ - ] anon 2519644 [op] 1 point 2.7 yearsSep 14, 2022 16:38:59 ago (+1/-0)

Maybe maybe not. I do know there is a considerable outsourcing effort though.

[ - ] anon 4003598 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 14, 2022 15:52:24 ago (+0/-0)

I blame Agile. I am not a waterfall guy, but every agile team I have been on has been a complete disaster.

[ - ] anon 2519644 [op] 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 14, 2022 16:42:48 ago (+0/-0)

People will repeat the words of what agile is but I have never seen it executed properly outside of Google.

[ - ] anon 1864704 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 14, 2022 16:51:56 ago (+0/-0)

Km studying agile now, trying to pivot into a project management career. It seems so buzzwordy. It seems Ike it was developed by soyfags.

[ - ] anon 2519644 [op] 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 14, 2022 16:55:41 ago (+0/-0)

Yes, the problem is it has become a buzzword. It IS a legitimate useful methodology but no one does it right.

I think I'm this instances, HR listening for this buzzword gave great incentive for cheats, like professors, to tell their pets what to say and it all was downhill from there.

I could talk for hours about the dumb shit I've seen as far as hiring practices in USA... Almost never are there merit based hirings or promotions, and I've been in the work force since I was 14... It simply doesn't happen. And every nonsense reason under the sun has come into play

[ - ] anon 6255222 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 14, 2022 21:59:25 ago (+0/-0)

thats because it illuminates how little most of them got done in a week lol

thats why they 'just cant' get it right... its dangerous for them

I love them but I'm a workaholic son of a bitch so I come out shiny (they dont like that either)

[ - ] deleted 2 points 2.7 yearsSep 14, 2022 15:35:06 ago (+2/-0)

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[ - ] anon 2519644 [op] 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 14, 2022 16:45:07 ago (+0/-0)

A lot of programmers, when I was going to school, were either chasing money or the "I have to succeed with college" mentality and they belonged nowhere near computer science. So when they went to compete for jobs they employed their hullshitting skills and schemey faggotry.

[ - ] anon 2204225 0 points 2.6 yearsSep 21, 2022 21:14:06 ago (+0/-0)

They've pushed a lot of people into computer science. It's the problem with "women coders." It's not just that they are female but that it's indicative of being part of a larger trend. Being a part of the group that was pushed into computer science instead of naturally having that mindset. It's just a fact that the percentage of women who are naturally geared that way is even smaller than men which is already small by itself.

So if the number of women in compsci went from 2% to 20% we know at least 90% of women fall into the camp of pushed into it. Then ironically the stereotypes become even more reliable.

[ - ] lord_nougat 2 points 2.7 yearsSep 14, 2022 15:09:28 ago (+2/-0)

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