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[ - ] FUBAR 15 points 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 08:40:42 ago (+15/-0)

Yep. Steam turbines work well, all that is needed is a heat source, NG, coal, nuclear, geothermal etc

[ - ] HeyJames [op] 10 points 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 08:45:58 ago (+10/-0)

Just goes to show how little of a working scientific knowledge musk actually has.

[ - ] AOUsYamaka 8 points 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 08:48:47 ago (+9/-1)

He’s a fraud. He’s a cia stooge.

[ - ] FUBAR 3 points 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 08:52:09 ago (+4/-1)

In this context I think musk is referring to coal fired reciprocating engines, which are very inefficient. And have been obsolete since the invention of steam turbines in the late 1800's. Still he's a tool of of his own design.

[ - ] usedoilanalysis 2 points 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 09:56:48 ago (+2/-0)

He knows a thing or two. Gas fired turbines like the GE LM6000 generate so much power that they can power a couple steam turbines just from the waste heat.

[ - ] uvulectomy 2 points 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 10:09:48 ago (+2/-0)

The LM9000 (derived from the GE90 engine used on the 777) is even more insane. 66MW on its own, 75MW if using some form of augmentation (wet compresison, inlet fogging, etc).

And that's before cogeneration.

[ - ] usedoilanalysis 1 point 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 10:21:30 ago (+1/-0)

I'm a bit of a G.E. fanboy(pun intended) for obvious reasons.

[ - ] GlowNiggerDick 2 points 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 11:56:35 ago (+2/-0)

He was referring to steam powered transportation obviously.

[ - ] Swej_Ehtsag 2 points 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 12:42:40 ago (+2/-0)

Regarding geothermal, I've always wondered why we don't just dig holes until we reach a level underground where the heat is just over 212 degrees and set up steam engines. Pretty much perpetual power until the Earth cools down. Doesn't need a windy or sunny day, doesn't produce radioactive material and doesn't block rivers.

[ - ] The_Reunto 3 points 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 13:21:21 ago (+3/-0)

All infrastructure is impermanent, some more than others. Holes drilled down far enough will start to collapse and shift if they are made in the wrong location, especially if there are underground rivers at the spot. Also, like drilling a well, the depth needed might vary. And too many people drawing from the same depth will then require even deeper digs. It's a complicated story, but it's the reason that the cost of a geothermal installation can vary so much. Iceland is a good example of a country that does use geothermal, but they basically live on a volcano.

[ - ] Swej_Ehtsag 0 points 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 14:15:48 ago (+0/-0)

I definitely believe this would be a huge endeavor, but we know how to reroute rivers and, thanks to oil, we know how to drill deep holes. The holes will have to be much larger obviously and require some sort of elevator system for repair/replacement, but once one is in place and fortified, it could potentially power an entire city and much easier to protect from foreign agents being far underground.

[ - ] Zyklonbeekeeper 2 points 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 17:45:54 ago (+2/-0)

Not that simple...the earth is infinitely dynamique even granite is under pressure and will eventually blow out, I've seen it underground working as a Hard Rock Miner...also, land formations move all the time which is why the reason for avalanches of earth and stone. As a point of interest, back in 1995 I lost à water well due to dynamic motion, had to drill another one, also, my cousin who lives near South Moresby on the Queen Charlotte Islands had a natural hotsprings bath tub that was there for thousands or millions of years, since the formation of the Rocky Mountains, about 5 years ago there was a mild earthquake along the Pacific Rim from Alaska down the entire west coast to California and her natural hot tub went dry because the fissure source of the water augmented to another route and to this day nobody has found where that source ended up, geologists in the area say the water is more than likely flowing into the ocean somewhere....even concrete hydro dams move with earthly dynamics...not that anyone here really gives a fuck about "dynamic earth" but it's a fact of nature. On another note...something many people don't know, aren't privy to, and I was told this by a geologist who manages à number of oil wells near Hooker Oklahoma, that it's not uncommon to lose well casings to dynamic activity...everything is a crap shoot when boring into the earth, the deeper you go the greater the risk of torsional forces.

[ - ] FUBAR 1 point 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 12:51:57 ago (+1/-0)

Don't even have to go that deep if you use a heat pump. 20 ft down and it's a constant 55f, warmer than outside in winter and cooler in summer. Blame the fossil fuel energy lobby for suppressing this. That and there is a lot of up front expense with either drilling deep holes or excavating (and then back-filling) enough to make it work. Unless you live someplace like Iceland, they have many geo-therm power plants. They also have magma close to the surface too.

[ - ] Mestizospic86 1 point 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 13:56:21 ago (+1/-0)

Wow I never thought about this, it must be how many homes were kept warm in the past without a heater.

[ - ] DukeofRaul 0 points 1.7 yearsSep 15, 2022 23:05:54 ago (+0/-0)

hypocaust is a system of central heating in a building that produces and circulates hot air below the floor of a room, and may also warm the walls with a series of pipes through which the hot air passes. This air can warm the upper floors as well.

[ - ] Grospoliner 1 point 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 14:17:19 ago (+2/-1)

I can enlighten you on this somewhat. Drilling is a fairly expensive process as the underlying substrate varies with depth throughout all regions. This can get more expensive depending on just what you drill through and at what depth. Further the depth you would need to drill to reach your required temperature also varies with regional differences due to how thick or thin the crust is and whether or not the location you drill in is in a volcanic area like Iceland or Japan. Most of the continental US and Europe have seismically active areas but little in the way of volcanically active areas (eg Yellowstone and Pomepy).

Overall, we would potentially need to drill nearly the entire thickness of the crust in low volcanic areas to hit the required temps to hit that temperature. That is roughly 20 miles of depth for these low volcanic regions.

Based on what I have seen just to drill for soil properties, the cost for about 50 foot depth is 2 to 3 thousand dollars to mobilize a crew. So potentially the cost alone to determine if a site is viable to build at could run as much as 6 million dollars, and that assumes a linear cost increase with depth without adjusting for any other factors like rigs, engineering costs for the drilling, etc.

After all that, you still have to design the geothermal system, which has the major problem of figuring out how to get the heat back up from the depths without losing heat to the surrounding Earth.

I can't get into heat load calcs for that, but you would need very significant insulative methods to do that for very very deep locations. Overall the cost to build versus the output is what prevents us from building geothermal everywhere. It's really only places with high volcanic activity where it becomes viable.

For more realistic cost comparison, finding out more about Iceland's geothermal would probably provide a better picture about the build cost and depth.

[ - ] Swej_Ehtsag 0 points 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 19:39:38 ago (+0/-0)

I don't imagine trying to bring the heat up but dropping the steam turbine into the bottom of the hole and then running the electricity back up through electric lines.

[ - ] mainstreamsneeze 0 points 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 13:05:03 ago (+2/-2)*

Because that is Hell and we don't want to open a passage for more demons.---this is a joke you monkeys.

Probably as FUBAR mentioned lobby suppression, but there many serious concerns like too structural integrity of the holes, moving earth plaques, efficency, workers, maintence, etc.

[ - ] GoatsAdvocate 2 points 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 13:49:35 ago (+2/-0)

You just described the negatives of oil as well

[ - ] Swej_Ehtsag 1 point 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 14:12:55 ago (+1/-0)

Which brings up a good point. We are already digging deep holes to get to a limited resource at the bottom of that hole. These holes could potentially be used as a permanent resource of energy. The holes would have to be much larger and there would need to be elevator transports to bring equipment up for maintenance or replacement, but it could essentially be a perpetual source of energy.

[ - ] deleted 0 points 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 20:00:53 ago (+0/-0)*

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[ - ] mainstreamsneeze 0 points 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 20:19:42 ago (+0/-0)

Yes but oil would be a pitcher pump and Geothermal would be building a water well.

[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 15:19:24 ago (+0/-0)

We do do that.
The limiting factor is the depth that needs to be drilled. Deep holes are expensive to drill and maintain. So, most practical sites are limited to shallow fields.

[ - ] pickingrinninspittin 7 points 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 09:36:48 ago (+8/-1)*

Yeah except no one calls them "steam engines". He's clearly referring to steam locomotives and such. OP is looking for controversy where none exists.

I'd challenge Musk on how long ICE powered cars and trucks are going to be around though. I'm sure he wouldn't disagree privately but because he's got the Tesla brand to promote of course he's going to state that batteries are our future.

[ - ] Hadza 1 point 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 10:58:54 ago (+1/-0)

I don't think there will be enough batteries after a single generation. I think electric energy is more versatile in general, but the problem of storing it remains. My favourite is flywheels but for cars that shit won't fly (heh)

[ - ] Cantaloupe 0 points 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 11:50:49 ago (+0/-0)

Air capacitors, would be great. Charge really fast. There's not enough copper though for electric cars.

[ - ] Belfuro -1 points 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 12:14:00 ago (+1/-2)

Ffs retard.
Your fucking navies subs and carriers are powered by steam engines.

There is no avoiding that musk fucked up

[ - ] mikenigger -1 points 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 12:25:38 ago (+1/-2)

OP and the faggot on twitter are both retards

[ - ] RedBarchetta 2 points 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 10:20:15 ago (+2/-0)

Im not sure if he's talking modern or not; Steam engines at the turn of the century were highly dangerous and accounted for many lives lost from improper use. It was an efficient propulsion method. They may have not been banned, if gas cars were Exploding, they wouldnt need to be banned.

But Steam engines today are very effective. Moreso with Nuclear power heating the water.

[ - ] MasklessTheGreat 1 point 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 21:39:15 ago (+1/-0)

Steam engines don’t blow up anymore because somebody invented a pressure relief valve. There’s also shit about metallurgy and heat up/cool down rates that must be followed. Steam systems today, especially nuclear, operate at tremendous pressure when compared to the turn of the century and they don’t explode. We fixed that small little issue.

We have come a long way from using piston driven steam engines that run at lower pressures to using impulse turbine steam engines that run at higher pressure out are much more efficient. Hell, you can superheat steam, run it through a turbine, then the dry saturated steam that is exhausted from the turbine can be sent through another turbine. These turbines being multi stage turbines with Curtis and Rateau stages. Look it all up. It’s fascinating shit.

[ - ] deleted 2 points 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 09:46:28 ago (+3/-1)*

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[ - ] chrimony 1 point 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 11:01:41 ago (+1/-0)

Steam makes mechanical parts move. Same principle.

[ - ] Belfuro 1 point 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 12:16:22 ago (+2/-1)

Turbines are engines you dumb arse.
Hello JET engines.

Just differe mechanical principles to transfer steam expansion to rotary motion

[ - ] MasklessTheGreat 0 points 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 21:43:26 ago (+1/-1)

You are a stupid fucking idiot.
https://www.ge.com/steam-power/products/steam-turbines
Don’t comment on shit you know nothing about. Fuck off.

[ - ] Belfuro 0 points 1.7 yearsSep 14, 2022 02:02:16 ago (+0/-0)

Hey cunt.
An engine.
Machine designed to produce mechanical energy from another form of energy

Youre arguing with a dictionary. Do you have any idea retarded cunt how stupid that makes you?

Steam engines include turbines just as jet engines are turbines.

And if you'd bothered to try and refute my jet engine refutation you'd have known what an arrogant cunt you were and stopped fighting then.

Typical pReddit generation. Incapable of admission of wrong doing

[ - ] MasklessTheGreat 0 points 1.7 yearsSep 14, 2022 07:27:43 ago (+0/-0)

Hey, for some reason I though you said turbines are jet engines implying that steam turbines don’t exist. Whoops! Have a nice day.

[ - ] MasklessTheGreat 0 points 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 21:56:14 ago (+0/-0)

You could power a turbine with the engine exhaust or use turbine exhaust to power the engine. It only matters what the exhaust pressure is and that you design your secondary device to run on that.

Look at WWII carrier engine rooms. They superheated steam and ran that trough a turbine. The turbine exhaust would be dry, saturated steam and it would run through a second turbine before being condensed back to water and pumped back into the boiler. Its pretty sweet shit. At least to me as I only have experience using dry, saturated steam since the nuclear reactor I have experience with didn’t superheat the steam.

[ - ] BlueEyedAngloMasterRaceGod 1 point 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 16:22:52 ago (+1/-0)

OP took what was a good point made by random twitter replier and instead inserted his own point which is nonsense and completely distracted from the original good point.

[ - ] deleted -4 points 1.7 yearsSep 13, 2022 10:51:54 ago (+0/-4)

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