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Weird thing? Some wild animals let humans help them some no matter what fight them to the end?

submitted by Doglegwarrior to AskUpgoat 2.7 yearsSep 9, 2022 23:12:25 ago (+12/-1)     (AskUpgoat)

Why? How can an animal know the human is helping? Is it just thry give up? Shock? But some times it's like they fucking know this carnivore is going to help me? Then some animals will literaly chew their own leg off to get away?


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[ - ] Crackinjokes 0 points 2.6 yearsSep 15, 2022 15:35:13 ago (+0/-0)

I'm beginning to believe in the brain as a universe tuner idea rather than the brain as a self-contained thinking and idea and storage container.

And if that's true and your brain is really sort of a tuner of outside information and that would make sense about how animals behave.

It would also make more sense how an animal with an impossibly small brain like a spider can clearly do things like make webs and capture prey and know to build nest to have babies etc when they don't have enough neurons to compute all that. But if the neurons they do have are simply tapping into sort of waves in the universe that tell them how to do those things constantly then it would make sense.

Under this theory a larger brain would just have different sections that would be able to tune into different kinds of things in the universe. It's sort of like you can either have one antenna that can tune one frequency or you can have 10 antennas that can tune 10 different frequencies that contain different information and that's what a larger brain would do.

You know it's another way to sort of explain ESP and second sense and even the occasional prediction of the future that we all sometimes experience. Or the phenomenon of thinking of somebody just before that person rings you on the phone or knowing something happened to a loved one when they're hundreds of miles away and sure enough it did.

Or maybe it's a mixture of the two you know and your brain is partly self-contained but also has tuning antennas that are you know made of neurons etc. I know there was that one philosopher scientist guy who said the brain actually was a positron tuning device or something like that it's a fairly well-known guy who had written a lot of big books that have been the best sellers.

[ - ] Crackinjokes 0 points 2.6 yearsSep 15, 2022 15:30:13 ago (+0/-0)

If you are a human that you are taking care of baby animals and they say are following you then other adult animals of the same species around you will not be scared of you. For example if you got a bunch of baby ducks following you then regular ducks it would never let you get close to them or birds will let you get right next to them.

[ - ] PeckerwoodPerry 9 points 2.7 yearsSep 9, 2022 23:20:29 ago (+10/-1)

It's vibes. Not to get all new age fag shit, but animals (including humans) can read the energy coming off living things. I've had a connection with animals my whole life, snow white type shit. The only conclusion that makes any sense is vibes.

[ - ] Her0n 7 points 2.7 yearsSep 9, 2022 23:25:55 ago (+7/-0)

It's true. I bond better with animals than people, less ego to deal with.

Animals need to understand other animals around them in order to survive. Humans still have this skill even though most don't utilize it.

[ - ] calx 4 points 2.7 yearsSep 9, 2022 23:38:30 ago (+4/-0)

I've also had a great connection with animals my whole life. They're like the opposite of the women I've been with. What what am I saying?!

[ - ] PeckerwoodPerry 5 points 2.7 yearsSep 9, 2022 23:39:34 ago (+5/-0)

Just not the sex, right calx? Calx?!

[ - ] calx 3 points 2.7 yearsSep 9, 2022 23:42:43 ago (+3/-0)

God help us. :p

[ - ] Doglegwarrior [op] 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 11, 2022 12:13:02 ago (+0/-0)

Lol I truly laughed at that

[ - ] Fascinus 3 points 2.7 yearsSep 10, 2022 00:47:08 ago (+3/-0)

This is the answer.

I get where you are coming from when you qualify it as not being wooshy hippie shit and there's real science behind this.

Forget about the research papers for a moment and ask yourself whether you've ever had the experience of being near someone that felt like they were radiating sunshine. How about fear? Ever had a funny feeling that someone meant to take advantage of you or do you harm? Ever been to a musical concert or live performance and felt "the electricity of the crowd"? If so, what was that?

All of us emanate an electromagnetic field that radiates around our bodies in a torroidal pattern. https://files.catbox.moe/g276ln.jpg

Our hearts are organs of perception that both project our own fields and receive & interpret those of others.

Generally speaking, animals tend to be closer to nature than we are in terms of their base level of consciousness and perception. They don't second guess their instincts any more than they would dismiss their sense of smell or vision.

That is why some fight and some accept assistance; they can discern your intent. That isn't to say that they won't bite you anyway. Witness that faggot with his dish gloves lifting the squirrel out of the fireplace. All it takes is a moment of fear within you to resonate with the animal's sense of fear to trigger a self-preservation response.

This is also why Saint Francis of Assisi would have birds alight upon him and allow them to hold them in his hand. The man radiated such powerful love and light into the world that the animals instinctively responded to it.

[ - ] PeckerwoodPerry 1 point 2.7 yearsSep 10, 2022 01:58:41 ago (+1/-0)

Funny you bring that up. Francis is actually one of my middle names.

[ - ] xmasskull 2 points 2.7 yearsSep 9, 2022 23:22:50 ago (+2/-0)

Animals can smell"fear"so to speak.

[ - ] PeckerwoodPerry 3 points 2.7 yearsSep 9, 2022 23:26:38 ago (+3/-0)

If they can "smell" fear, they should be able to smell other emotional responses.

[ - ] TheViciousMrPim 2 points 2.7 yearsSep 10, 2022 05:08:51 ago (+2/-0)

Maybe not. Fear is a strong emotion which is known to have measurable effects w/in the body. Adrenaline is dumped into the blood for example. That is likely what they smell. Something like love or envy probably has a much lesser physical effect if any.

[ - ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic 2 points 2.7 yearsSep 10, 2022 00:07:06 ago (+2/-0)

Can you talk to squirrels?

[ - ] deleted 4 points 2.7 yearsSep 10, 2022 00:25:24 ago (+4/-0)

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[ - ] PeckerwoodPerry 3 points 2.7 yearsSep 10, 2022 00:44:37 ago (+3/-0)

Yeah right, those nigger squirrels are basically undisipherable.

[ - ] PeckerwoodPerry 1 point 2.7 yearsSep 10, 2022 00:42:07 ago (+1/-0)

We don't talk, but we don't tend to avoid each other. I had a squirrel friend I called Rita that would sit on my knee and eat peanuts out of my hand. Fucking wild squirrel just chilling with me.

[ - ] Doglegwarrior [op] 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 11, 2022 12:14:27 ago (+0/-0)

You have obviously watched Rick and Marty the average human has no idea the power squirls hold

[ - ] BlueEyedAngloMasterRaceGod 1 point 2.7 yearsSep 9, 2022 23:46:53 ago (+1/-0)

it's not vibes lol they can tell by your posture/movements

[ - ] Fascinus 1 point 2.7 yearsSep 10, 2022 00:47:43 ago (+1/-0)

It's both.

[ - ] PeckerwoodPerry 1 point 2.7 yearsSep 10, 2022 00:50:03 ago (+1/-0)

That's part of it, yeah for sure. What makes you act that way though? I'd argue that it's you feeling some kind of way that makes your body language seem safe to the animal you've encountered. You're telling me that the positive or negative feelings you have is separate from your body language?

[ - ] BlueEyedAngloMasterRaceGod 1 point 2.7 yearsSep 10, 2022 01:25:16 ago (+1/-0)

cause ur not a threat? obviously ur brain signals interact to order your physical posture. is that what you mean by vibes? wtf's a vibe? modernist mumbo jumbo is what it is.

you can play this game with ur dog who has known u his whole life. do the predator creep prey on it and ur dog will immediately respond as though ur a threat, but it knows u well enough to know ur not, so it sort of only half reacts without any seriousness. charge ur dog and it will do likewise. walk up to it normally it won't care.

[ - ] PeckerwoodPerry 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 10, 2022 01:39:20 ago (+0/-0)

I'm not talking about with a pet I've known for years, I'm talking about people and animals I encounter that I've never interacted with. Yeah, if your dog sees you acting strange it's going to respond to that.

The point I'm making is that we've lost touch with nature. We've been so industrialized that we no longer recognize senses that use to be innate. We've traded something for this modern world. It wasn't a fair trade. How can you be so quick to say kikes stole from you, and not recognize one of the main gifts they've actively worked to destroy? This isn't some fucking super power, it's part of what we are. It's how we domesticated horses, we made friends with them. We above all know how to work with our environment, you need to figure it out.

[ - ] BlueEyedAngloMasterRaceGod -1 points 2.7 yearsSep 10, 2022 01:48:59 ago (+1/-2)

ur a dumbass

[ - ] White_Pride_Cis 1 point 2.7 yearsSep 10, 2022 06:05:10 ago (+1/-0)

Stop writing like a boomer, faggot.

[ - ] PeckerwoodPerry 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 10, 2022 01:55:33 ago (+0/-0)

Yeah, that's probably true. I'm also a bigoted, racist and virulent antisemite. I know what I'm talking about when it comes to animals though.

[ - ] BlueEyedAngloMasterRaceGod 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 10, 2022 17:10:08 ago (+0/-0)

you very clearly do not. 'vibes' LOL you sound like a modernist feminine clueless fuckwit. harden up and gain some logic and rationality you fucking moron

[ - ] ClaytonBigsby313 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 10, 2022 15:37:03 ago (+0/-0)

Pheromones. Fear has a smell. So do other things.

[ - ] IfuckedYerMum 4 points 2.7 yearsSep 9, 2022 23:34:55 ago (+4/-0)

Elephants seek out people for help when they are injured. Animals are generally more intelligent and aware than many give them credit for.

[ - ] BlueEyedAngloMasterRaceGod 3 points 2.7 yearsSep 9, 2022 23:45:58 ago (+3/-0)

you mean elephants that have had human contact before

[ - ] BlueEyedAngloMasterRaceGod 3 points 2.7 yearsSep 9, 2022 23:50:11 ago (+3/-0)

animals are around other animals all the time. if one doesn't hunt the other, they will literally go within a metre of each other without a care in the world. if you approach in a likewise non-threatening fashion, they won't feel threatened. however because of your size and the fact u are a predator, every animal will at least be way more uncertain of you than the other usual animals they dgaf about. so the flightier ones won't risk it whereas others will be confused but stay. if you attack it, then the next time it encounters a human, it's far less likely to stay.

[ - ] PotatoWhisperer 2 points 2.7 yearsSep 10, 2022 00:23:27 ago (+2/-0)

A lot of people don't realize that we give off a "big predator" presence. Our loudly walking around, talking, moving where/when/as we will without a care for other predators etc.

[ - ] o0shad0o 1 point 2.7 yearsSep 10, 2022 09:26:14 ago (+1/-0)

After all, we are predators. One big tell about whether an animal is a predator is if they have front-facing eyes, the better to judge distances, so animals pay attention to that, and we have it in spades.

If you want an animal to feel more comfortable near you one big tip is to turn your head away 45 degrees and look at them from the side, so they can only clearly see one of your eyes.

[ - ] ThisGuy 1 point 2.7 yearsSep 10, 2022 06:48:32 ago (+1/-0)

Same thing can be said of humans.

[ - ] Scrimmmy 1 point 2.7 yearsSep 10, 2022 05:28:28 ago (+1/-0)

We're omnivores

[ - ] Wahaha 1 point 2.7 yearsSep 10, 2022 04:45:14 ago (+1/-0)

Depends on the nature of the animal and the way the human behaves. Also depends on the prior experiences the animal had with humans.

[ - ] Crackinjokes 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 10, 2022 09:10:08 ago (+0/-0)

If you approach an animal and do not look at it directly with your binocular vision predator eyes but instead keep the glance to the side and you're speaking to it as you talk they'll recognize you're not a predator because predators approach quietly. It makes a very big difference in how bothered they are by you

[ - ] totes_magotes 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 10, 2022 08:00:21 ago (+0/-0)*

Okay, dude/chump...

1. Grammar is important. This is a text medium and there's no need to write like a complete retard (any more that's a high school graduate but whatever).

2. If it's not grammar and you're just on a phone then you need to both learn how to proofread and stop being lazy about it and then get you something with a keyboard. If being on a text medium is that important to you that you're going to ask actually halfway decent questions, get a keyboard. You wouldn't settle for a phone that drops into static 75% of the time so don't make the same settle for typing.

3. Spend some time around animals that don't live almost entirely in houses. The concept of "help" is not a conceptually complex idea. It is not something that exists only in non-predatory animals. It is something that evolves out of play and play is something ALL intelligent species take part in. Play allows the young of the species to interact at any level they want or need without threat of death. It is in this context that they learn to interact with each other and with other animals (at times) in a non-life-and-death manner. The concept of help extends from this to their own kind and then, by extension, to other species. It is often evolved from the idea of mutual beneficial actions though is adapted as the creature sees fit. Take, for example, a crow. Feed a crow and treat it nice and it will bring you shiny objects. I'm not sure if I saw it here or elsewhere but there's a diver who dives with sharks and started removing hooks from their mouths only to discover that they would bring even more sharks to have hooks removed - she has a collection of over 300 (IIRC) hooks since she keeps each one.

We've even seen examples of wild, untamed, undomesticated animals doing this for humans.

They can do this because they understood the concept of "help" from play. The benefits of actions. As another example, it has been observed that male puppies will let female puppies (not just in domesticated breeds and canines in general) win a share of their wrestling matches because otherwise they'll stop playing.

This is the concept of "'I' and 'Other'" and it is the base conceptual source of empathy.

Animals communicate about their environment and what they encounter. Treat a crow like shit and it will tell ALL of the other crows it meets and teach its young about you. You will be hated by crows for forever. When I go out with my dog in the morning, I treat the birds nicely. If they're there and calling out, I'll talk to them. Like... actually talk. Sure, it seems stupid, but I have crows that visit every morning, several varieties of birds that make nests outside of very specific windows (I'm up to 5 now: bathroom, living room 1, living room 2, kitchen, office - so pretty much every room with a window I can open), and a hawk that guards my garden and runs off the squirrels. When there are deer out here, I don't chase them off or run to get a gun. As a result, they hang around a bit, go up to the house but they also leave my garden alone.

Animals will communicate with each other and they will infer communication about a perceived or potential threat. It's like watching someone you can't speak with because of language differences avoid a spot on the sidewalk or cross the road in specific places.

With animals, it is the same. They see other animals run from you, come to you, or squawk/bark/whatever at you. As such, they all have learned that there are people you avoid and people you can approach and they have all day to watch you and listen about you from other animals so they get a well-defined sense of what types of people will help and can tell just from how they walk, dress, talk because it is literally part of their survival mechanisms to analyze who is and is not a threat.

Animals are not stupid.

[ - ] Doglegwarrior [op] 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 11, 2022 12:20:33 ago (+0/-0)

I would go off on you with my normal grammerkike<<< spelt wrong on purpose. But your well thought out response has stopped that cold in its tracks.

I treat voat like I'm with friends at a bar. I am two thumb typing from a phone 99.9% of the time so my grammar and spelling suck. This has been a great filter system for me. If someone attacks my spelling and grammar and not the content of my post I know they are usually shill faggot grammerkikes. But if someone like you attacks my spelling and grammar I don't care how hard you go at me... if you then after destroying my shit grammar leave a great response...

So friend you 100% fall into that category great reply I totally appreciate the response and you point out my deficiency in spelling and grammar.

That being said I am here with like minded friends if I say something stupid or my grammar and spelling is shit I feel it is just ya know friends hanging out and talking shit to other men is part of the bargain.

Have a good day get a work out in hug a loved one keep crushing goat friend

[ - ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 10, 2022 00:08:04 ago (+2/-2)

Owen Benjewman has a way of beating his dogs.

[ - ] MrPancake 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 10, 2022 10:31:28 ago (+0/-0)

Oy Vey! Where did the big funny man touch you?!

[ - ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 11, 2022 12:25:56 ago (+0/-0)

He's a jew and I don't trust jew scammers.

[ - ] Doglegwarrior [op] 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 11, 2022 12:21:00 ago (+0/-0)

Idiot

[ - ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 11, 2022 12:25:37 ago (+0/-0)

I'm not the one who pushes a jew scammer. Do you agree with Owin about fucking twelve year old children and having babies with them? oy vey