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Heating the cabin take a large amount of energy, a car is made of metal. Essentially a giant heat sink.

Take a 1500W electric heater and place that in your cold (below 40) garage, it does little to heat up. An average heater core is prob several thousand watts equivalent.

And this is to simply heat the cabin, an EV must also heat up the massive battery too.

[ + ] 3Whuurs

[ - ] 3Whuurs 2 points 2.7 yearsSep 1, 2022 03:34:08 ago (+3/-1)

https://electriccarpledge.com/how-long-can-a-tesla-idle-with-the-heat-on/

A tesla will last 24-72 hrs running the heater at idle. 24hrs would be at max heat using approx 4300watts.
Which is obviously not necessary to be maxed, so approx 60hrs might be reasonable.
Plus in an emergency scenario, 1 heathed seat alone would keep you alive and that’s between 500W and 1000w.
And it takes approx 2.9% for the battery to heat itself.
So it’s safe to say a Tesla could probably keep you alive for 2 to 2-1/2 days with the heater, and in an extreme emergency, maybe 4-5 days. with just a heated seat.

While the best case scenario for a car would be a little compact car that burns approx 1/3rd of a gallon per hour and has approx 12 gallon tank.
So it’ll produce heat for probably 2 days.

[ + ] Deleted

[ - ] deleted 3 points 2.7 yearsSep 1, 2022 04:22:51 ago (+4/-1)

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[ + ] ThisGuy

[ - ] ThisGuy 1 point 2.7 yearsSep 1, 2022 07:27:37 ago (+1/-0)

Tell me you didn't read the article without telling me you didn't read the article.

[ + ] Name

[ - ] Name 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 1, 2022 05:54:05 ago (+0/-0)

It is tough to tell whether someone is just an overly optimistic fan of the technology or if active shilling is going on.

[ + ] ThisGuy

[ - ] ThisGuy 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 1, 2022 07:28:43 ago (+0/-0)

I'm not really a fan of the tech at all. I'm a fan of reality and truth. Try it out sometime.

[ + ] Name

[ - ] Name 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 1, 2022 20:40:34 ago (+0/-0)

I am not invested enough in batteries to have a “battery reality” or a “battery truth.”. But you do you.

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[ - ] deleted 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 2, 2022 02:17:48 ago (+0/-0)

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[ + ] CPU

[ - ] CPU 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 2, 2022 02:48:37 ago (+0/-0)

Some here actively shill for EVs. Blows my mind globohomo is shoving us into EVs and these faggots simp for it, all the while knowing globohomo exists.

[ + ] ThisGuy

[ - ] ThisGuy 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 2, 2022 04:19:36 ago (+0/-0)

Acknowledging the superior aspects of an EV isn't ignoring the negatives nor is it "simping". Making up negatives and ignoring the positives makes you stupid.

[ + ] CPU

[ - ] CPU 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 2, 2022 21:01:05 ago (+0/-0)

Yet ignore the negatives of batteries.

[ + ] ThisGuy

[ - ] ThisGuy 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 2, 2022 21:25:48 ago (+0/-0)

What am I ignoring? Batteries run out just like fuel.

[ + ] 3Whuurs

[ - ] 3Whuurs 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 2, 2022 01:19:16 ago (+0/-0)

Jesus fuck man, learn to read retard. The answer to your little statement was already in the comment you think you’re replying to lmfao.

[ + ] I_am_baal

[ - ] I_am_baal 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 1, 2022 11:50:32 ago (+0/-0)

Some youtuber did an experiment based around this premise. He was able to run the heat at idle for a little over 4 days before the battery died.

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[ - ] deleted 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 1, 2022 03:06:20 ago (+0/-0)

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[ + ] ThisGuy

[ - ] ThisGuy -1 points 2.7 yearsSep 1, 2022 07:25:16 ago (+0/-1)*

They use heat pumps which are much more efficient than you think. I like how you tards act like this wasn't thought about.

[ + ] CPU

[ - ] CPU 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 2, 2022 02:53:48 ago (+0/-0)

Drive your EV and take the vax.

[ + ] ThisGuy

[ - ] ThisGuy 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 2, 2022 04:17:03 ago (+0/-0)

Stay stupid.

[ + ] CPU

[ - ] CPU 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 2, 2022 20:58:29 ago (+0/-0)

Take the vax and be smart.

[ - ] bobdole9 1 point 2.7 yearsSep 1, 2022 06:40:06 ago (+1/-0)

Majority of electric car fans live in climates that do not drop below freezing.

[ + ] HeavyBrain

[ - ] HeavyBrain 1 point 2.7 yearsSep 1, 2022 07:07:05 ago (+1/-0)

But they will, eventually when muh climat change hits in less than 3 years.

Afer all you can drive an electric car for around 5 till the battery goes to shit.

[ + ] UncleDoug

[ - ] UncleDoug 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 1, 2022 08:48:17 ago (+0/-0)

Or in extreme heat, or on off-road terrain or that have to travel long distances.

Lets face it, Electic vehicles are far, far away from being affordable, practicable, efficient or even plain descent.

[ - ] ThisGuy 3 points 2.7 yearsSep 1, 2022 07:23:19 ago (+3/-0)

How is it any different than your tank going empty?

[ + ] UncleDoug

[ - ] UncleDoug 1 point 2.7 yearsSep 1, 2022 07:31:16 ago (+1/-0)

Because cold temperature reduces both efficiency and usable capacity of lead-acid batteries of 70-80% of its rated capacity, about 50% for Lithium batteries.

Take a GoPro to the snow and see how long it lasts vs how long it lasts at the beach.

[ + ] ThisGuy

[ - ] ThisGuy 1 point 2.7 yearsSep 1, 2022 08:08:09 ago (+2/-1)

A Tesla can run the heat for at least 24 hours on a 50% charge. At any rate, you didn't answer my question. How is a battery going dead any different than you running out of gas? Both scenarios result in no more heat.

[ + ] localsal

[ - ] localsal 3 points 2.7 yearsSep 1, 2022 09:07:31 ago (+3/-0)

From what I recall in that US east coast(?) snowstorm, the biggest difference is that there were some rescuers walked through the stranded cars with gas cans and filled a few gallons here and there to get cars going again. Took minutes.

Can't run an extension cord 6 miles and boost and EV in a couple minutes.

[ + ] ThisGuy

[ - ] ThisGuy 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 1, 2022 11:32:33 ago (+1/-1)*

I guess that is an edge case something akin to justifying abortion due to 10 year old rape victims. It almost never happens. So let me ask this. If I grant you that a once in a century storm makes an ICE car an advantage, would you admit that in almost every other case an electric is an advantage? Keep in mind. I don't want an electric vehicle. I don't think the government should force you to own one. I probably won't ever own one. I'm just taking objective reality into account rather than subjectivity.

[ + ] localsal

[ - ] localsal 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 1, 2022 18:36:12 ago (+0/-0)

I wouldn't call seasonal snow that strands hundreds of cars an edge case - rare maybe, but totally expected with the US weather.

As for electric, the real world usage speaks for itself. Having to stop for an hour or two to charge up every 200 miles on a cross country trip (if a charger is immediately available) is not a convenience for most people.

EVs work very well for daily commutes, not long distance travels. Nothing beats the convenience of gas/diesel filling up in minutes with gas stations within reach essentially no matter where in the world you are.

[ + ] ThisGuy

[ - ] ThisGuy 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 1, 2022 19:44:02 ago (+0/-0)

I lived in Wisconsin most of my life. This never happens.

[ + ] localsal

[ - ] localsal 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 1, 2022 22:19:04 ago (+0/-0)

I can't dispute your experience. I have read friend's reports saying that the news is saying "have a winter survival kit in your car" kind of thing all the time.

[ + ] ScheduledSuicide

[ - ] ScheduledSuicide 1 point 2.7 yearsSep 1, 2022 08:10:37 ago (+1/-0)

My guess would be fuel truck vs. extension cords.

[ + ] UncleDoug

[ - ] UncleDoug 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 1, 2022 08:45:31 ago (+0/-0)

A Tesla can run the heat for at least 24 hours on a 50% charge.

But how do batteries perform in the cold?

An internal combustion engine is going to be more efficient in extreme temperatures over an EV because it will roughly maintain its mileage to the tank, whereas batteries lose their efficiency in the cold.

If you get 650km to a 45L tank, there are few things that are widely going to change how many km p/l you will achieve. The same cant be said for EVs.

Both scenarios result in no more heat.

Yeah eventually, with the EV ultimately failing in cold weather much faster than a conventional vehicle however.

[ + ] mannerbund

[ - ] mannerbund 3 points 2.7 yearsSep 1, 2022 09:52:09 ago (+3/-0)

Having owned an EV, my mileage would drop a good 25-30% in winter on average, and the weather only danced with freezing. The worse part was the extra consumption of energy to run the defroster and heat, if I used those components I couldn't get to work and home, and without them the windows would frost up quickly, as the car doesn't just produce heat as a byproduct of running.

Ultimately, I'd rather be in a gas powered vehicle, and sold the EV and won't go back.

[ + ] Master_Foo

[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 2.7 yearsSep 1, 2022 15:27:08 ago (+0/-0)

FYI, GoPros overheat like a Jew in an oven. Bad example. Snow is better for GoPros.

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