Globe Earthers are taught the reason that the North Pole Star cannot be seen from southern locations like Australia or New Zealand is because it is hidden behind the supposed curvature of their globular Earth. Similar to what is taught about boats disappearing beyond the horizon, they claim these boats and the Pole Star are disappearing behind the physical curvature of a globe, and insist if the Earth was truly a stationary plane that Australians should have no trouble viewing Polaris...
Again, if the Earth was flat centered around a north pole, the distance between the lines of longitude would be greater at 60°south latitude than at the equator. Instead, the distance between lines of longitude at 60°S is approximately the same as the distance between the lines of longitude at 60°N latitude, and both distances are shorter than at the equator. This happens with a globe earth.
Every one of your fucking pathetic diagrams of flat earth have lines of longitude and concentric lines of latitude. And, every one of those models show that the distance between lines of longitude at latitudes south of the equator are larger than the distance between two lines of longitude at the equator. This is demonstrably false and you can verify that it's false sitting in front of the computer, right now.
How things might work if the Earth was flat doesn't prove the earth is flat and the example above proves the earth cannot possibly be flat, a bowl, a disk, a plane, or anything but a globe.
I'm not trying to avoid the issue. I'm trying to say "you're wrong" about the distances being smaller on southern latitudes in reality.
I didn't feel like digging for it before but this point is directly addressed in this video here. Time link should be correct. Points 35 to 42 starting at 25:30
Well, you let me know when you find the actual time stamp, cause that shit is fucking retarded.
Or, better yet, why don't YOU just fucking tell me.
When you look at the flat earth model that has lines of longitude and latitude, you can see that the lines below the equator are longer than those above it.
When you look at the flat earth model that has lines of longitude and latitude, you can see that the lines below the equator are longer than those above it.
Yet when you measure the distance from one longitude line to another at 60°south, and compare that distance to the distance between those lines at the equator, it's shorter, not longer.
Holy fuck! #35, he said captains find themselves out of reckoning with their expected positions. Mentioned no names. Show no such claims. Offered no proof to back up his statements. But you just fucking believe him? You're dumb as fuck.
What "captains"? Where are these alleged claims? What were they using for navigation? How experienced were they? How off course were they? How much variance did they have?
Well James Clark Ross was a British Royal Navy officer, seems pretty experienced.
Charles Wilkes was an American naval officer and captain. Seems like he was pretty experienced too.
How off course were they? How much variance did they have?
36) During Captain James Clark Ross’s voyages around the Antarctic circumference, he often wrote in his journal perplexed at how they routinely found themselves out of accordance with their charts, stating that they found themselves an average of 12-16 miles outside their reckoning every day, later on further south as much as 29 miles.
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 2.2 yearsAug 31, 2022 14:35:54 ago (+1/-0)
You're relying on journals written 80 years ago by captains of ships using rudimentary navigation techniques, and side eyeing off course navigation of 12-29 miles.
1. Post the link to those journals. Let's take a read and see if that's even true. But even if the stated this, do you believe that proves anything other than the likelihood that they weren't the best at navigation?
2. Why aren't you just pulling out an app, picking two points on a land mass in the southern hemisphere and using the app to measure the distance and comparing that distance to the same points on the equator?
You have modern technology with pinpoint accuracies within 3 feet on every commercially available app on the planet. But instead of using one, you are relying of some internet fag to tell you what was written in some ships captain 80 years ago. What the actual fuck?
2. Why aren't you just pulling out an app, picking two points on a land mass in the southern hemisphere and using the app to measure the distance and comparing that distance to the same points on the equator?
You have modern technology with pinpoint accuracies within 3 feet on every commercially available app on the planet. But instead of using one, you are relying of some internet fag to tell you what was written in some ships captain 80 years ago. What the actual fuck?
I believe the people that make the maps are lying to you. I think they are faking the science just like they lie about evolution, vaccines and everything else. And also it seems you think this is the only reason I think the earth is flat. Its not the only reason. I'm just answering your questions.
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 2.2 yearsAug 31, 2022 15:19:07 ago (+1/-0)
Great. Now, where does he discuss being off course in the southern hemisphere?
You think the equipment being used to determine distances between two points in the southern hemisphere are all rigged, and no one has caught on?
In order to get a private pilots license, you must demonstrate that you can calculate the time to an alternate airport within two minutes. How would this be possible if the maps used to determine distances weren't accurate?
Questions you have not answered.
How long did it take to circumnavigate the antarctic? What is the circumference of the accessible area near the antarctic?
Now, where does he discuss being off course in the southern hemisphere?
No idea. Sources are there for you to look through. This is the point were I stop doing your research for you. If you actually care to look into it, here you go. If you don't care to look into it thats your choice as well.
You think the equipment being used to determine distances between two points in the southern hemisphere are all rigged, and no one has caught on?
Yes.
In order to get a private pilots license, you must demonstrate that you can calculate the time to an alternate airport within two minutes. How would this be possible if the maps used to determine distances weren't accurate?
I don't believe that question really has anything to do with flat vs ball earth. Mostly just average speed and given distances. And the margin of error between the flat earth model and the ball earth model is only really noticeable in the southern hemisphere. Also, most air travel is done in the northern.
How long did it take to circumnavigate the antarctic? What is the circumference of the accessible area near the antarctic?
42) In the ball-Earth model Antarctica is an ice continent which covers the bottom of the ball from 78 degrees South latitude to 90 and is therefore not more than 12,000 miles in circumference. Many early explorers including Captian Cook and James Clark Ross, however, in attempting Antarctic circumnavigation took 3 to 4 years and clocked 50-60,000 miles around. The British ship Challenger also made an indirect but complete circumnavigation of Antarctica traversing 69,000 miles. This is entirely inconsistent with the ball model.
And, why is it okay for you faggots to rely on documents (in this case, some faggot telling you what some documents allegedly) say, yet you refuse to even entertain anyone else's documents?
Why can't you just do the experiment for yourself. Doing the test yourself gives you the results that are normal and expected of a globe earth. But, for what reason, is some ship captain's log more dependable? And again, let's not pretend that these logs actually exist. I haven't seen them. Have you?
I would love to be able to circumnavigate Antarctica but the military literally stops you from going near. You seem to be obsessed with the logs so I linked them in a different comment chain.
I have done some experimenting myself. I can see the shore of a city thats 25 miles away.
Plug 25 miles in there and it spits out 416.80 feet. Thats how much an object is supposed to be "obscured" or rather "hidden beneath the curvature". I can see the sand on the shore with my bare eyes. Theres no hidden 40 story building anywhere.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 4 points 2.2 yearsAug 31, 2022 10:03:56 ago (+4/-0)
Every one of your fucking pathetic diagrams of flat earth have lines of longitude and concentric lines of latitude. And, every one of those models show that the distance between lines of longitude at latitudes south of the equator are larger than the distance between two lines of longitude at the equator. This is demonstrably false and you can verify that it's false sitting in front of the computer, right now.
[ + ] VicariousJambi
[ - ] VicariousJambi [op] -3 points 2.2 yearsAug 31, 2022 11:26:39 ago (+1/-4)
Flat Earth - Circumnavigation and Time-Zones (5 mins) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ir5_nipt7s
How Can Ushuaia Get 17 Hours of Daylight on a Flat Earth? (5 mins) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqr02ZmqRbQ
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 3 points 2.2 yearsAug 31, 2022 11:54:20 ago (+3/-0)
How things might work if the Earth was flat doesn't prove the earth is flat and the example above proves the earth cannot possibly be flat, a bowl, a disk, a plane, or anything but a globe.
[ + ] VicariousJambi
[ - ] VicariousJambi [op] -1 points 2.2 yearsAug 31, 2022 12:18:10 ago (+1/-2)
I didn't feel like digging for it before but this point is directly addressed in this video here. Time link should be correct. Points 35 to 42 starting at 25:30
https://youtu.be/qEaHjPF47_E?t=1526
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 2 points 2.2 yearsAug 31, 2022 12:32:47 ago (+2/-0)
Or, better yet, why don't YOU just fucking tell me.
When you look at the flat earth model that has lines of longitude and latitude, you can see that the lines below the equator are longer than those above it.
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[ - ] VicariousJambi [op] -2 points 2.2 yearsAug 31, 2022 12:45:05 ago (+0/-2)
[ + ] VicariousJambi
[ - ] VicariousJambi [op] -2 points 2.2 yearsAug 31, 2022 12:46:36 ago (+0/-2)
Yes. This is correct.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 2 points 2.2 yearsAug 31, 2022 12:50:08 ago (+2/-0)
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[ - ] VicariousJambi [op] -1 points 2.2 yearsAug 31, 2022 13:03:52 ago (+1/-2)
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 2 points 2.2 yearsAug 31, 2022 13:18:15 ago (+2/-0)
I use Garmin Pilot. You think they are rigging the numbers on app that pilots use for flight planning?
[ + ] VicariousJambi
[ - ] VicariousJambi [op] -2 points 2.2 yearsAug 31, 2022 13:40:37 ago (+0/-2)
Yes, yes I do think they rig them. I don't think the numbers on the screens are what the real earth is like.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 2 points 2.2 yearsAug 31, 2022 13:25:57 ago (+2/-0)
What "captains"? Where are these alleged claims? What were they using for navigation? How experienced were they? How off course were they? How much variance did they have?
[ + ] VicariousJambi
[ - ] VicariousJambi [op] 0 points 2.2 yearsAug 31, 2022 14:12:39 ago (+1/-1)
https://archive.org/details/200ProofsEarthIsNotASpinningBall_201710/page/n6/mode/1up
The ones listed in the points that followed.
In their journals, like Dubay says.
I'm sure you can use their journals and find out.
Well James Clark Ross was a British Royal Navy officer, seems pretty experienced.
Charles Wilkes was an American naval officer and captain. Seems like he was pretty experienced too.
36) During Captain James Clark Ross’s voyages around the Antarctic circumference, he often wrote in his journal perplexed at how they routinely found themselves out of accordance with their charts, stating that they found themselves an average of 12-16 miles outside their reckoning every day, later on further south as much as 29 miles.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 2.2 yearsAug 31, 2022 14:35:54 ago (+1/-0)
1. Post the link to those journals. Let's take a read and see if that's even true. But even if the stated this, do you believe that proves anything other than the likelihood that they weren't the best at navigation?
2. Why aren't you just pulling out an app, picking two points on a land mass in the southern hemisphere and using the app to measure the distance and comparing that distance to the same points on the equator?
You have modern technology with pinpoint accuracies within 3 feet on every commercially available app on the planet. But instead of using one, you are relying of some internet fag to tell you what was written in some ships captain 80 years ago. What the actual fuck?
[ + ] VicariousJambi
[ - ] VicariousJambi [op] 0 points 2.2 yearsAug 31, 2022 14:48:30 ago (+0/-0)
Here's the ones for James Clark Ross. Its a 2 volume set, here are both volumes.
https://archive.org/details/voyagediscoveryVol1Ross/page/n5/mode/2up
https://archive.org/details/voyagediscovery2Ross/page/n3/mode/2up
I believe the people that make the maps are lying to you. I think they are faking the science just like they lie about evolution, vaccines and everything else. And also it seems you think this is the only reason I think the earth is flat. Its not the only reason. I'm just answering your questions.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 2.2 yearsAug 31, 2022 15:19:07 ago (+1/-0)
You think the equipment being used to determine distances between two points in the southern hemisphere are all rigged, and no one has caught on?
In order to get a private pilots license, you must demonstrate that you can calculate the time to an alternate airport within two minutes. How would this be possible if the maps used to determine distances weren't accurate?
Questions you have not answered.
How long did it take to circumnavigate the antarctic? What is the circumference of the accessible area near the antarctic?
[ + ] VicariousJambi
[ - ] VicariousJambi [op] -1 points 2.2 yearsAug 31, 2022 15:30:53 ago (+0/-1)
No idea. Sources are there for you to look through. This is the point were I stop doing your research for you. If you actually care to look into it, here you go. If you don't care to look into it thats your choice as well.
Yes.
I don't believe that question really has anything to do with flat vs ball earth. Mostly just average speed and given distances. And the margin of error between the flat earth model and the ball earth model is only really noticeable in the southern hemisphere. Also, most air travel is done in the northern.
42) In the ball-Earth model Antarctica is an ice continent which covers the bottom of the ball from 78 degrees South latitude to 90 and is therefore not more than 12,000 miles in circumference. Many early explorers including Captian Cook and James Clark Ross, however, in attempting Antarctic circumnavigation took 3 to 4 years and clocked 50-60,000 miles around. The British ship Challenger also made an indirect but complete circumnavigation of Antarctica traversing 69,000 miles. This is entirely inconsistent with the ball model.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 2 points 2.2 yearsAug 31, 2022 13:37:42 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] VicariousJambi
[ - ] VicariousJambi [op] 0 points 2.2 yearsAug 31, 2022 14:14:22 ago (+1/-1)
Seems like he had several Antarctic voyages, I can't quite tell if he circumnavigated it more than once.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 2 points 2.2 yearsAug 31, 2022 14:28:48 ago (+2/-0)
What is the circumference of accessible part of your imaginary world?
[ + ] VicariousJambi
[ - ] VicariousJambi [op] -1 points 2.2 yearsAug 31, 2022 14:38:02 ago (+0/-1)
Why would that be weird? Voyages that took multiple years were common.
Here's some average whaling voyages to compare
https://slicesofbluesky.com/whaling-voyage-leng/
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 2 points 2.2 yearsAug 31, 2022 14:43:01 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 2 points 2.2 yearsAug 31, 2022 14:47:52 ago (+2/-0)
Why can't you just do the experiment for yourself. Doing the test yourself gives you the results that are normal and expected of a globe earth. But, for what reason, is some ship captain's log more dependable? And again, let's not pretend that these logs actually exist. I haven't seen them. Have you?
[ + ] VicariousJambi
[ - ] VicariousJambi [op] -2 points 2.2 yearsAug 31, 2022 14:54:29 ago (+0/-2)
I have done some experimenting myself. I can see the shore of a city thats 25 miles away.
https://earthcurvature.com/
Plug 25 miles in there and it spits out 416.80 feet. Thats how much an object is supposed to be "obscured" or rather "hidden beneath the curvature". I can see the sand on the shore with my bare eyes. Theres no hidden 40 story building anywhere.
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[ - ] UncleDoug 4 points 2.2 yearsAug 31, 2022 08:30:57 ago (+4/-0)
Then more retardation at 4:15
They have you muppet.
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[ - ] VicariousJambi [op] -3 points 2.2 yearsAug 31, 2022 08:38:08 ago (+1/-4)
No, they haven't changed.
[ + ] UncleDoug
[ - ] UncleDoug 3 points 2.2 yearsAug 31, 2022 08:46:02 ago (+3/-0)
What?
Halycon
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