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If God's will is made evident anywhere, you should see it being expressed most clearly in the natural world.

submitted by Paradoxical003 to whatever 1.7 yearsAug 26, 2022 14:33:30 ago (+4/-1)     (whatever)

Mother nature is heartless and lazy (efficient, pragmatic, ruthless, and minimalistic), natural selection doesn't reward the fittest with survival, it rewards those who are merely fit enough to contribute to the increase in organisms bearing copies of their genes, and in the number of their genes that end up in such organisms. That's a much lower bar than you'd realize.

Nothing is clearly and universally beneficial or detrimental, everything has some conceivable benefit to fulfillment of life's defining purpose, so long as the environment makes it so: Just some examples here.

-Being without eyes is good when you live in absolute darkness (it cuts down on infection and costs you less energy, allowing you to do more on less food for longer, and it's better to lack sight in an environment where you'd be using other senses exclusively in order to get around).

-Being stupid is good when you live in a resource rich environment full of other stupid people in close proximity.

-Being short is good for various things (there are a lot of positives to being a manlet, in health, ability, and even aesthetics).

I've said it before, but I see all living things, people included, as being collections of genes expressing themselves across their environments, and it's the genes that drive their behavior.

But it is said that before sin entered into the world that things were different, and that they would be different again once the lord's kingdom has come, that the world is in the temporary domain of the Devil himself, lord of lies, prince of darkness, evil incarnate, and that this is how he has made the world for the fulfillment of his own desires, and to tempt us away from God's light.

That said, it was God's will that gave over us and the world to the clutches of the Devil, so this too was a part of the divine plan. Ultimately, We see the world as God intended it to be.


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[ - ] totes_magotes 1 point 1.7 yearsAug 26, 2022 15:19:08 ago (+1/-0)

That said, it was God's will that gave over us and the world to the clutches of the Devil

Literally not what the texts say but w/e.

[ - ] sguevar 1 point 1.7 yearsAug 26, 2022 15:55:38 ago (+1/-0)

He likes to misrepresent the Word of God at convenience if his degeneracy.

I am not surprised coming from someone that said the Bible said nothing against abusing children...

[ - ] totes_magotes 0 points 1.7 yearsAug 26, 2022 18:50:08 ago (+0/-0)

Bible said nothing against abusing children

If you want to be absolutely technical about it, God's commandments aren't abuse. They're laws. That doesn't mean that they won't grow up all fucked in the head.

[ - ] Paradoxical003 [op] -1 points 1.7 yearsAug 26, 2022 16:57:49 ago (+0/-1)

It didn't.
It doesn't.
You have one vague passage about not leading children into sin or harming them, depending on the translation, without anything indicating that molesting them counts for either.
From a modern perspective, it would count, but this passage was not written or spoken in modern times.
Furthermore, we can see from the time period this passage does originate from that this was not likely an opinion that Jesus would share with you, and related religious writings have little issue with allowing such things to occur.
There's no age of consent to sexual activity in the Bible, nowhere to be found.
On top of that, the quote states that Jesus is instructing the one who does harm the little ones or lead them into into that it would be preferable for them to tie a millstone around their own necks and throw themselves into the sea.
He also says that you should cut off your hand and pluck out your eyes if you feel angry or lustful.
That you should abandon all your possessions and your family to be eligible for heaven.
It's common to think that quotes like these are hyperbolic metaphorical speech, so why is this one quote literal?
Because you need it to for the sake of your argument.
Molesting children is wrong, but the Bible isn't going to tell you that.
What would Jesus think it would mean to harm a child or to lead them into sin? Likely it would be referring to some other instructions he's given in the good book, it might include sex, but only because Jesus would be against sex for adults too, he might be against beating them, but only because he was against any violence that was not done by him or God, he certainly had nothing against performing circumcisions.
He'd probably have considered it to be something like exposing them to other religions, as he was a part of the jewish community where he lived, and the jews were famously insular, with a fear of being influenced by other religions.
The Bible lists a few sexual taboos, not one of them being the sin of sex with kids, in the strictly biblical sense, sex with a menstruating woman is a worse crime.
Do I fault the Bible for this? No, it was comprehensive side enough to address most of issues they'd be encountering in their time.
But people who go out and hunt pedophiles down in the name of Jesus are actually doing it because they personally feel that it is wrong, not because the Bible says it is.
If they were hunting homos down it would he more biblically based.

[ - ] Paradoxical003 [op] -1 points 1.7 yearsAug 26, 2022 15:24:55 ago (+0/-1)

If God had not given the world over to the Devil, then how could he have his reign over it?

If the world is directly ruled by God, then that removes one possible objection to the point being made in this post.

[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 1 point 1.7 yearsAug 26, 2022 14:43:25 ago (+2/-1)

this is how [satan] has made the world

satan, like democrats, cannot create but only destroy. it is satan's influence, through sin, that anything bad has come into the world. it is due to satan that the lion cannot (or rather, will not) lie with the lamb, but this is not how God has made it.

[ - ] Paradoxical003 [op] -1 points 1.7 yearsAug 26, 2022 21:22:07 ago (+0/-1)

Creation and destruction are the same thing, does a fire destroy the log, or does it create ashes and smoke?

[ - ] bl_nk 0 points 1.7 yearsAug 26, 2022 23:26:21 ago (+0/-0)

Duhh wake up mate, imaginary friends are for kids.

[ - ] lord_nougat 0 points 1.7 yearsAug 26, 2022 14:36:57 ago (+0/-0)

And if it's not? What then?

[ - ] Paradoxical003 [op] 0 points 1.7 yearsAug 26, 2022 15:26:27 ago (+0/-0)

Did not God make the world like this?
or
Did he not allow the Devil to make the world the way it is?
or
Was this world not something both had contributed to, but with God in his proper role as the ultimate supreme authority?

I'm talking about the natural world here, not the world of men, as men had made changes to it.

[ - ] lord_nougat 1 point 1.7 yearsAug 26, 2022 16:45:16 ago (+1/-0)

The world of men is still God's will even if man does technically have free will.

He works in mysterious ways!

[ - ] Spaceman84 -1 points 1.7 yearsAug 26, 2022 18:41:38 ago (+0/-1)

The God of Abraham also said chop off your kids' foreskins. Fuck that kike.