In national socialism the state doesn't own your property, they own you. They can use your property by extention.
National socialism does not have a monopoly on being pro-white. 95% of the ideology whites had prior to that era were unapologetically pro-white. Favoring censorship, state propaganda as education, and a denial of natural and individual rights does not the best political structure for whites create.
If you did want to look to the past I would argue that the Austrian Monarchy was far more fruitful. A greater density in time and place of the classical achievements we love to cite to show that we are great cannot be found elsewhere in our history. But it's relatively devoid of controversy compared to national socialism that it is of course looked over.
There are a bagillion better ways to be pro-white than being the Jews boogie man and as a result fueling their propaganda. Jews want you to be a nazi. They want you to create big powerful government programs that they can take over in a generation or two. The Jew Zelenski had no difficulty in using the nazi Azov. They will use you.
The real answer is to get rid of every connection between government and business that benefits the jew. Get rid of copyright and media ownership rights that helps them fund their Holywood operation, the news media, their music industry, pornography, and textbook and research papers racket. (((Commercial media))) enabled by copyright has mostly produced filth and propaganda, bad science, and bad drugs. The federal reserve would be another example of enabling government, military industry, and big tech government integration. Whites benefit from a true free market where honesty pays. Jews benefit from government-market integration where favors and relationships pay. You can starve out the Jew by cutting government and not promoting a government worshiping ideology.
I think what bothers me about it the most is how easily the jews are able to steer even jewpilled whites around just by nominating an official opposition. A lot of them don't even know why they support nat-soc beyond having been told by their enemies it's the only other option.
The real answer is to get rid of every connection between government and business that benefits the jew. Get rid of copyright and media ownership rights that helps them fund their Holywood operation, the news media, their music industry, pornography, and textbook and research papers racket. (((Commercial media))) enabled by copyright has mostly produced filth and propaganda, bad science, and bad drugs. The federal reserve would be another example of enabling government, military industry, and big tech government integration. Whites benefit from a true free market where honesty pays. Jews benefit from government-market integration where favors and relationships pay. You can starve out the Jew by cutting government and not promoting a government worshiping ideology.
Agreed. A lot of people see jews and business and think "wow, jews are really good at business, that must be how they take over." But it's not. What they're really good at is coopting governments to make themselves the only show in town.
The critical difference between National Socialism and Soviet Communism is the difference on the issue of equality I'd say. Still, I can tell you don't know anything about Stalin's USSR.
I'm not pretending anything. That description is just the description of marxist philosophy. Owning nothing and equal outcome.
Socialism is working for the common good of YOUR people. That's it. The Greeks were socialist, the Romans were socialist. Practically every ancient fucking Empire was socialist in one way or another. America is one of the only Nations in recent history that has established this perverse and unnatural state of individuality and liberalism. It goes against nature.
You definition sounds great, but what if I really don't give two shits about most of "my people"? Am I forced to work for their common good? If I have too much of a resource am I forced to share it with the rest of "my people" for their benefit?
See the thing is, you're 100% right about this part. This is the end result of being born into a spiritually and culturally dead country like America. You have no ties to your ancestors and you have no ties to your heritage. You're forced to be around an associate with retarded people and other races who don't have your best interests in mind. Why would they? They have no connection to you as much as you have no connection to them.
This is why I'm a huge advocate for doing the best you can to form small in group white communities whether it's inawoods or in the metropolis.
The worst thing you could do is isolate yourself from your brethren.
You yourself, much like the Germans, would have had such strong ties to the in group, force or coercion wouldn't be necessary.
" I do not say; rich people, give to the poor. Rather, German people, help each other, for there is always someone in a worse situation than you yourself."
It's interesting how the National Socialists never talk about the "socialism" part.
The government is going to have to enslave somebody to provide "SERVICE XYZ" to White citizens... Because none of this shit is free. It all costs something. Additionally the goal is to eliminate non-whites from your civilization. So, at some point, when all the Jews are ashes, your goal is going to have to involve the enslavement of Whites.
Where is the Ethno-State for White National Libertariansm?
American National Socialism was always about Rockwell using the swastika for shock value. He came out of conservative, even Buckleyite, circles. There has been some anti-capitalist feeling - but any real socialism has been lacking. The German original was more the authentic socialist party.
Right libertardianism though just enables getting ruled by merchants.
"Right libertardianism" is called Anarcho-Capitalism. Still, it's better than trying to convince Whites that slavery under a socialist dictatorship is a good option. You don't think merchants aren't going to be at the top of a National-Socialist heirarchy?
I'm not a National Socialist. But the state must have primacy in the political sphere. If it doesn't merchants will. They are the only other plausible option in any kind of conventional state apparatus. 'Limited government' just means unlimited corporate rule.
As a matter of history though merchants didn't rule National Socialist Germany. Hitler did. By decree. He was the law in essence.
But the state must have primacy in the political sphere. If it doesn't merchants will.
The state is how they gain that power though.
'Limited government' just means unlimited corporate rule.
No it doesn't. Look at any market ruled by a few big players, you'll find very heavy government intervention directed by them to maintain their position. Unlimited government is essential to secure corporate rule.
Yours is typical libertarian superficiality. Naturally business can corrupt government to suit its interests. No one said activist government need necessarily act in the public interest. With minimal government though corporations are just the only players on the field.
It is true that the state enables corporations at all. But this is part of a functional liberal state that libertarians uphold and think legitimate. It takes laws and government infrastructure for corporations to even exist and function smoothly after all. But the idea is a state suited to the interests of making money, which suits merchants. Few government controls can hardly be expected to inhibit the basic fundamentals of this process. The whole process is the raison d'etre of the nightwatchman state. To protect contract and provide the means by which people can buy and sell. The merchant state. Where their interests are prioritized.
Pretty much every non-liberal right-wing state, from Peron's Argentina to apartheid South Africa, to Salazar's Portugal, has had very different priorities and ensured the national will has been reflected in the instrument of the state. The national will being given primacy over the interests of capitalists.
With minimal government corporations have no mechanism to become monopolistic. They literally are not a problem without the supposed "solution."
It is true that the state enables corporations at all. But this is part of a functional liberal state that libertarians uphold and think legitimate.
If it has the power to "enable" other corporations then it's not libertarian.
The whole process is the raison d'etre of the nightwatchman state. To protect contract and provide the means by which people can buy and sell. The merchant state. Where their interests are prioritized.
People don't need states to buy and sell.
Pretty much every non-liberal right-wing state, from Peron's Argentina to apartheid South Africa, to Salazar's Portugal, has had very different priorities and ensured the national will has been reflected in the instrument of the state. The national will being given primacy over the interests of capitalists.
Interesting that you skipped over pinochet.
Anyhow, I don't trust any dictator to determine the "national will" better than the nation itself. And even if I did there is no dictator wise enough to make better decisions about baking than a baker, or better decisions about farming than a farmer.
The Folk should have primacy in the political sphere. The whole point of an Ethno-State is that the state is subservient to the Folk. This is the opposite of what happens in a National-Socialist state. The Folk become slaves to the state.
I know we've had our disagreements in the past, but I just have to say man, you've literally explained this basic concept (difficult for lolburts apparently) in such an amazing way, you deserve a standing ovation. 👏
you've literally explained this basic concept (difficult for lolburts apparently) in such an amazing way
Kek. It's not some difficult concept most people can't understand, it's exactly the opposite: it's the most teenagery form of politics out there. "But what if we vote for the right person into office, trust the plan and he fixes everything for us without us having to actually come up with any solutions!"
Fine, you "follow" the right person into office then accuse anyone who disagrees with you of pedophilia. Either way it's pure magic thinking.
The reality is that no one person has the solution to all your problems and if you try to solve them by trusting a politician you'll always be disappointed.
Right libertardianism though just enables getting ruled by merchants.
I disagree. Jews thrive the most when they're able to take over centralised regulators and use them to grant themselves soft-power of various kinds. Any area where things aren't centralised they struggle to gain a foothold.
National Bullshitism depends on the ownership of private property
Either this is false or Hitler was not a national socialist. The NSDAP were very much in favour of central planning. Private property only nominally existed in the third reich.
Like gay, socialism didn't mean the same to people in the 30s as it does to you today. To them socialism meant the economy worked in such a way as to benefit society. No more no less. The idea of stealing all your shit and abolishing private property is judeo-communism and by sheer repetition from jews most americans now think of it as socialism. To NS how much of the economy needed to be centrally planned or privatized was entirely situational rather than dogmatic. They understood that a both had their benefits and drawbacks, they happily switched between the two as circumstances changed.
Like gay, bullshitism didn't mean the same to people in the 30s as it does to you today. To them bullshitism meant the economy worked in such a way as to benefit society. No more no less.
No it did not. It meant the same thing it did today and socialist movements tended to hold the same economic strategies in common. It was not some vague term for "anything we think is good."
The idea of stealing all your shit and abolishing private property is judeo-communism and by sheer repetition from jews most americans now think of it as bullshitism.
Socialism was primarily a jewish movement, yes. However nonjewish socialist movements were still socialist, not some other vague thing.
To NS how much of the economy needed to be centrally planned or privatized was entirely situational rather than dogmatic. They understood that a both had their benefits and drawbacks, they happily switched between the two as circumstances changed.
They continually progressed towards more and more central planning and showed no interest whatsoever in individuals being allowed to control their own lives.
The "private property" existed mostly for small businesses and individuals who owned a basic piece of land.
Corporations and Jew financial institutions all got the same treatment. Many things like the finance became centralized heavily, but most corporations were under nazi thumb with no wiggle room. Having heavy control over the market on top of that became about as close as you could possibly get to total centralized companies without becoming outright Soviet.
The "private property" existed mostly for small businesses and individuals who owned a basic piece of land.
There is no private property if the government controls the macro-economy.
Corporations and Jew financial institutions all got the same treatment. Many things like the finance became centralized heavily, but most corporations were under nazi thumb with no wiggle room.
Right, like I said, the idea of it being some kind of free market is a lie. It was a command economy. They could have redistributed jewish loot to the german people but they didn't because fundamentally they believed in centralised decisionmaking, not private property. Attempts to recast socialism as libertarianism are retarded.
Having heavy control over the market on top of that became about as close as you could possibly get to total centralized companies without becoming outright Soviet.
How was it not outright soviet? That's exactly how the soviet economy was structured.
There is no private property if the government controls the macro-economy.
Why do you claim this?
Right, like I said, the idea of it being some kind of free market is a lie.
Again, why are you conflating private property with control over institutions and a central economy? Also, who tf said the natsocs were a Free market? lol
At the end of the day, the owners of these companies were still just that, the owners. They made the decisions, they controlled the flow and direction of the company, etc. etc. They just had a laundry list of rules to follow, especially now with the shitty old jew unions being replaced with the shiny new federal ones.
Ownership is the ability to make decisions about something. If you "own" a field but the government decides everything you're allowed to do with it then you don't own it. At most you're a subcontractor on government property.
Again, why are you conflating private property with control over institutions and a central economy? Also, who tf said the natsocs were a Free market? lol
I am objecting to this absolute bullshit in the OP: "National Bullshitism depends on the ownership of private property."
It's an unfortunate tendency of natsocs to claim their ideology is anything any everything as convenient. Then ditching it a moment later to argue the opposite.
Oh come on now, that's not all they took control of.
At the end of the day, the owners of these companies were still just that, the owners. They made the decisions, they controlled the flow and direction of the company, etc. etc. They just had a laundry list of rules to follow,
Oh ok! So they owned the company and made the decisions provided they followed a "laundry list of rules" telling them what decisions to make.
especially now with the shitty old jew unions being replaced with the shiny new federal ones.
Unions are always shit. The only question is how shit.
Ownership is the ability to make decisions about something. If you "own" a field but the government decides everything you're allowed to do with it then you don't own it. At most you're a subcontractor on government property.
"Let me fuck children on my property goy, or else youre a nazi and youre infringing on my right to ownership!!11!"
It's an unfortunate tendency of natsocs to claim their ideology is anything any everything as convenient. Then ditching it a moment later to argue the opposite.
Then stop arguing with people on 4chan or discord larpers.
Oh come on now, that's not all they took control of.
Its just an example.
Oh ok! So they owned the company and made the decisions provided they followed a "laundry list of rules" telling them what decisions to make.
"WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CANT RUN A CHILD TRAFFICING RING ON MYYYY PROPERTY!?!?!"
Unions are always shit. The only question is how shit.
Giving workers rights and fair pay is shit. Got it.
He lost the argument as soon as he claimed they controlled everything, and you replied explaining he was wrong about the measures and lengths of control over ownership, and he not only didn’t give a fuck, but doubled down saying: “ If you "own" a field but the government decides everything you're allowed to do with it then you don't own it”
Whatever libertarianism is, it’s religion to him and Goatbells or whatever. Neither of them care about the actual topic.
Libertarianism is cancer. It is selfish and goes against nature. Society always has and always will be built upon cooperation and social contracts. Lolburts don't understand this apparently.
Projection. I arrived at my current beliefs by hitting them with every argument I could find. I tossed socialism the moment I stopped being a teenager and realised it fell down the moment I prodded it.
"Let me fuck children on my property goy, or ................Giving workers rights and fair pay is shit.
You're an idiot and a fucking drama queen. Holy shit. Same as the last time this meme came up and here you are again defending dirty fucking commies because you're a pathetic pos shit that relies on others to pay your way.
You don't have to say it, I can read it in your attitude and the beliefs that you've posted.
The difference between a pos shit like you and like me is that I come right to your inbox and tell you instead of running a little backwater convo in the comments where you don't address the issues and just repeat muh fureedum to vote your wages inta mah pocket.
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In practice though it didn't reflect the above text.
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National socialism does not have a monopoly on being pro-white. 95% of the ideology whites had prior to that era were unapologetically pro-white. Favoring censorship, state propaganda as education, and a denial of natural and individual rights does not the best political structure for whites create.
If you did want to look to the past I would argue that the Austrian Monarchy was far more fruitful. A greater density in time and place of the classical achievements we love to cite to show that we are great cannot be found elsewhere in our history. But it's relatively devoid of controversy compared to national socialism that it is of course looked over.
There are a bagillion better ways to be pro-white than being the Jews boogie man and as a result fueling their propaganda. Jews want you to be a nazi. They want you to create big powerful government programs that they can take over in a generation or two. The Jew Zelenski had no difficulty in using the nazi Azov. They will use you.
The real answer is to get rid of every connection between government and business that benefits the jew. Get rid of copyright and media ownership rights that helps them fund their Holywood operation, the news media, their music industry, pornography, and textbook and research papers racket. (((Commercial media))) enabled by copyright has mostly produced filth and propaganda, bad science, and bad drugs. The federal reserve would be another example of enabling government, military industry, and big tech government integration. Whites benefit from a true free market where honesty pays. Jews benefit from government-market integration where favors and relationships pay. You can starve out the Jew by cutting government and not promoting a government worshiping ideology.
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I think what bothers me about it the most is how easily the jews are able to steer even jewpilled whites around just by nominating an official opposition. A lot of them don't even know why they support nat-soc beyond having been told by their enemies it's the only other option.
Agreed. A lot of people see jews and business and think "wow, jews are really good at business, that must be how they take over." But it's not. What they're really good at is coopting governments to make themselves the only show in town.
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24 minute documentary:
Https://files.catbox.moe/pgdy3n.mp4
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https://counter-currents.com/2013/03/stalins-fight-against-international-communism/
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Socialism is working for the common good of YOUR people. That's it. The Greeks were socialist, the Romans were socialist. Practically every ancient fucking Empire was socialist in one way or another. America is one of the only Nations in recent history that has established this perverse and unnatural state of individuality and liberalism. It goes against nature.
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See the thing is, you're 100% right about this part. This is the end result of being born into a spiritually and culturally dead country like America. You have no ties to your ancestors and you have no ties to your heritage. You're forced to be around an associate with retarded people and other races who don't have your best interests in mind. Why would they? They have no connection to you as much as you have no connection to them.
This is why I'm a huge advocate for doing the best you can to form small in group white communities whether it's inawoods or in the metropolis.
The worst thing you could do is isolate yourself from your brethren.
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" I do not say; rich people, give to the poor. Rather, German people, help each other, for there is always someone in a worse situation than you yourself."
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Massively weak
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The government is going to have to enslave somebody to provide "SERVICE XYZ" to White citizens... Because none of this shit is free. It all costs something.
Additionally the goal is to eliminate non-whites from your civilization.
So, at some point, when all the Jews are ashes, your goal is going to have to involve the enslavement of Whites.
Where is the Ethno-State for White National Libertariansm?
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Right libertardianism though just enables getting ruled by merchants.
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Still, it's better than trying to convince Whites that slavery under a socialist dictatorship is a good option. You don't think merchants aren't going to be at the top of a National-Socialist heirarchy?
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https://files.catbox.moe/cmmkxo.jpg
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As a matter of history though merchants didn't rule National Socialist Germany. Hitler did. By decree. He was the law in essence.
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The state is how they gain that power though.
No it doesn't. Look at any market ruled by a few big players, you'll find very heavy government intervention directed by them to maintain their position. Unlimited government is essential to secure corporate rule.
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It is true that the state enables corporations at all. But this is part of a functional liberal state that libertarians uphold and think legitimate. It takes laws and government infrastructure for corporations to even exist and function smoothly after all. But the idea is a state suited to the interests of making money, which suits merchants. Few government controls can hardly be expected to inhibit the basic fundamentals of this process. The whole process is the raison d'etre of the nightwatchman state. To protect contract and provide the means by which people can buy and sell. The merchant state. Where their interests are prioritized.
Pretty much every non-liberal right-wing state, from Peron's Argentina to apartheid South Africa, to Salazar's Portugal, has had very different priorities and ensured the national will has been reflected in the instrument of the state. The national will being given primacy over the interests of capitalists.
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If it has the power to "enable" other corporations then it's not libertarian.
People don't need states to buy and sell.
Interesting that you skipped over pinochet.
Anyhow, I don't trust any dictator to determine the "national will" better than the nation itself. And even if I did there is no dictator wise enough to make better decisions about baking than a baker, or better decisions about farming than a farmer.
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Kek. It's not some difficult concept most people can't understand, it's exactly the opposite: it's the most teenagery form of politics out there. "But what if we vote for the right person into office, trust the plan and he fixes everything for us without us having to actually come up with any solutions!"
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The reality is that no one person has the solution to all your problems and if you try to solve them by trusting a politician you'll always be disappointed.
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I disagree. Jews thrive the most when they're able to take over centralised regulators and use them to grant themselves soft-power of various kinds. Any area where things aren't centralised they struggle to gain a foothold.
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Either this is false or Hitler was not a national socialist. The NSDAP were very much in favour of central planning. Private property only nominally existed in the third reich.
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No it did not. It meant the same thing it did today and socialist movements tended to hold the same economic strategies in common. It was not some vague term for "anything we think is good."
Socialism was primarily a jewish movement, yes. However nonjewish socialist movements were still socialist, not some other vague thing.
They continually progressed towards more and more central planning and showed no interest whatsoever in individuals being allowed to control their own lives.
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[ - ] Mopar_or_nocar24 -1 points 1.8 yearsJul 31, 2022 13:38:27 ago (+1/-2)
Corporations and Jew financial institutions all got the same treatment. Many things like the finance became centralized heavily, but most corporations were under nazi thumb with no wiggle room. Having heavy control over the market on top of that became about as close as you could possibly get to total centralized companies without becoming outright Soviet.
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[ - ] Broc_Liath -1 points 1.8 yearsJul 31, 2022 13:54:53 ago (+1/-2)
There is no private property if the government controls the macro-economy.
Right, like I said, the idea of it being some kind of free market is a lie. It was a command economy. They could have redistributed jewish loot to the german people but they didn't because fundamentally they believed in centralised decisionmaking, not private property. Attempts to recast socialism as libertarianism are retarded.
How was it not outright soviet? That's exactly how the soviet economy was structured.
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[ - ] Mopar_or_nocar24 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 31, 2022 14:17:36 ago (+1/-1)
Why do you claim this?
Again, why are you conflating private property with control over institutions and a central economy? Also, who tf said the natsocs were a Free market? lol
Because other than the banks and financial institutions the natsocs seized as shown here: https://files.catbox.moe/cmmkxo.jpg
At the end of the day, the owners of these companies were still just that, the owners. They made the decisions, they controlled the flow and direction of the company, etc. etc. They just had a laundry list of rules to follow, especially now with the shitty old jew unions being replaced with the shiny new federal ones.
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[ - ] Broc_Liath -2 points 1.8 yearsJul 31, 2022 14:56:01 ago (+0/-2)
Ownership is the ability to make decisions about something. If you "own" a field but the government decides everything you're allowed to do with it then you don't own it. At most you're a subcontractor on government property.
I am objecting to this absolute bullshit in the OP: "National Bullshitism depends on the ownership of private property."
It's an unfortunate tendency of natsocs to claim their ideology is anything any everything as convenient. Then ditching it a moment later to argue the opposite.
Oh come on now, that's not all they took control of.
Oh ok! So they owned the company and made the decisions provided they followed a "laundry list of rules" telling them what decisions to make.
Unions are always shit. The only question is how shit.
[ + ] Mopar_or_nocar24
[ - ] Mopar_or_nocar24 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 31, 2022 15:05:04 ago (+1/-1)
"Let me fuck children on my property goy, or else youre a nazi and youre infringing on my right to ownership!!11!"
Then stop arguing with people on 4chan or discord larpers.
Its just an example.
"WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CANT RUN A CHILD TRAFFICING RING ON MYYYY PROPERTY!?!?!"
Giving workers rights and fair pay is shit. Got it.
[ + ] 3Whuurs
[ - ] 3Whuurs 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 31, 2022 17:25:07 ago (+1/-1)
“ If you "own" a field but the government decides everything you're allowed to do with it then you don't own it”
Whatever libertarianism is, it’s religion to him and Goatbells or whatever.
Neither of them care about the actual topic.
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 0 points 1.8 yearsAug 1, 2022 09:38:52 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Mopar_or_nocar24
[ - ] Mopar_or_nocar24 -1 points 1.8 yearsJul 31, 2022 20:46:29 ago (+0/-1)
[ + ] 3Whuurs
[ - ] 3Whuurs 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 31, 2022 23:38:03 ago (+1/-1)
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 0 points 1.8 yearsAug 1, 2022 09:38:02 ago (+0/-0)
Fuck off.
[ + ] Mopar_or_nocar24
[ - ] Mopar_or_nocar24 -1 points 1.8 yearsAug 1, 2022 14:09:05 ago (+0/-1)
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 0 points 1.8 yearsAug 2, 2022 04:35:21 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Mopar_or_nocar24
[ - ] Mopar_or_nocar24 0 points 1.8 yearsAug 2, 2022 07:51:14 ago (+0/-0)
Cope and seethe lolburt.
[ + ] RMGoetbbels
[ - ] RMGoetbbels -1 points 1.8 yearsJul 31, 2022 15:32:16 ago (+1/-2)
You're an idiot and a fucking drama queen. Holy shit. Same as the last time this meme came up and here you are again defending dirty fucking commies because you're a pathetic pos shit that relies on others to pay your way.
https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=62dde6f082598&commentid=62de270049681
You don't have to say it, I can read it in your attitude and the beliefs that you've posted.
The difference between a pos shit like you and like me is that I come right to your inbox and tell you instead of running a little backwater convo in the comments where you don't address the issues and just repeat muh fureedum to vote your wages inta mah pocket.
pffft, you're a mouth breather.
[ + ] Mopar_or_nocar24
[ - ] Mopar_or_nocar24 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 31, 2022 15:38:50 ago (+1/-1)
Ok schlomo
[ + ] RMGoetbbels
[ - ] RMGoetbbels -1 points 1.8 yearsJul 31, 2022 15:39:36 ago (+1/-2)
[ + ] Mopar_or_nocar24
[ - ] Mopar_or_nocar24 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 31, 2022 15:40:01 ago (+1/-1)
[ + ] Mopar_or_nocar24
[ - ] Mopar_or_nocar24 -2 points 1.8 yearsJul 31, 2022 13:52:21 ago (+0/-2)
[ + ] diggernicks
[ - ] diggernicks -2 points 1.8 yearsJul 31, 2022 12:20:29 ago (+1/-3)
[ + ] Mopar_or_nocar24
[ - ] Mopar_or_nocar24 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 31, 2022 13:22:40 ago (+1/-1)
[ + ] diggernicks
[ - ] diggernicks 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 31, 2022 13:23:43 ago (+1/-1)
Id never be a member of any club that would have me
[ + ] Mopar_or_nocar24
[ - ] Mopar_or_nocar24 -1 points 1.8 yearsJul 31, 2022 13:24:37 ago (+0/-1)
[ + ] diggernicks
[ - ] diggernicks 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 31, 2022 13:26:36 ago (+1/-1)
I sure we've been over this before
[ + ] Mopar_or_nocar24
[ - ] Mopar_or_nocar24 -1 points 1.8 yearsJul 31, 2022 13:32:40 ago (+0/-1)
[ + ] diggernicks
[ - ] diggernicks 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 31, 2022 13:39:48 ago (+1/-0)