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"if this conspiracy theory was true, think of all the people they'd need to keep quiet about it!" "if it was true, there'd be riots in the streets over this!"

submitted by Paradoxical003 to whatever 2.9 yearsJul 27, 2022 14:57:13 ago (+11/-0)     (whatever)

They really don't need to keep people quiet, they just need to keep people from listening to those who do leak information and taking anything they say seriously.

IF anything, just trying to silence these leakers will be counter-productive to keeping the conspiracy from being threatened, the better route is the one they go down, which is also what cults do: focus instead on discrediting the people speaking out, and establish a tight culture among the people who reinforce conformity by viewing those who do not conform with contempt, thus creating a bunch of victims who punish those who wish to escape victimhood, the prisoners will keep each other in line.

It's certainly worked it's magic on you, I can already present you with testimony after testimony from people involved deep inside each of these conspiracies, and you will reject each one, no matter who they are, what they say, and how much evidence they have to back up their claims.

Heck, I can even show you videos of key conspirators themselves straight up telling you what's been going on in detail, bragging about their plans, goals, and how they've achieved things thus far, they can have full presentations and you will still be unwilling to listen.

Any platform they could use to speak out on is treated by our culture as if it was just untrustworthy sensationalism motivated by greed.

Even though they are far less profitable than state-supported mainstream news stations, tend to be far more nuanced about the issues they cover, and have been consistently correct in their predictions compared to the mainstream, which keeps getting things wrong or outright lying to you.

Furthermore, there are real reasons for why some shady conspiracy could exist without there being any leaks at all, as I said, there are techniques that exist within cults for creating condition that ensure their people stay in line, and there are psychologists who've been studying and perfecting these techniques to create obedient followers, an entire field for such mental manipulations exists called behaviorism, and these have been applied with great effect in the realms of business (such as advertising), politics (such as propaganda), the military (such as in boot camps), etc.

The people working within a conspiracy have needs, and these needs often mean they require money, which means they need their jobs, their jobs often also tie into the other parts of their lives, in fact, it can make up a huge part of their identity, as many aspects of their lives will be relating to their employment, on top of that, they may have invested a lot into their occupations, and are unfit to do anything else, as well as without the time or ability to learn to change careers, and there's also the matter of their reputations and legacies, which could be threatened along with their employment.

Simply holding someone's livelihood hostage is enough of a barrier to keep them from disobeying or betraying the people they work for by revealing their secrets, but there's more. They exist as people, with all sorts of parts of their lives that could be affected by them stepping out of line, I've already revealed quite a bit of what you have tied up in conforming to some cultural narrative (reinforcing it in the process), these people have all that held at stake too.

Imagine all that, and knowing that all this will be sacrificed for revealing a truth to a world that you know will disregard what you have to say anyways, and all this comes before getting on a shit list that might also be a hit list, where you will be found having died or disappeared, with an improbable conclusion being drawn up by police officers who, like your collegues, know not to make waves.

In fiction, coming out and exposing the conspiracy is glamorous, you get a wide audience who are receptive to your message, the reality is that you will have a very limited audience that will be receptive to your message, and they will be the pariahs of their society, barely able to effect any change, everyone else will either ignore you, or look upon you with contempt or embarrassment, your revelations will not make you any sort of hero or mysterious person or celebrity, it will make you an outcast, it doesn't matter how much you got to expose the goings on, because ultimately, people don't make decisions based on information, they make them based on the immediate consequences they'd be personally facing.

People aren't motivated by much more than their need to react to their immediate desires and fears, we are pulled toward what gets us the things we want to happen, and what gets us away from the things we want not to happen, by manipulating these immediate desires and fears, we can get people to accept conditions that would otherwise be intolerable for them, and which will also earn them a worse outcome in the future, only a very limited amount of people can think in the long term, most make judgments and decisions based on immediate results.

For example, you won't listen because listening gets you called stupid, evil, or some other label of real negative effect in your life, it loses you friends, makes family avoid you, makes people fear you or disrespect you, makes businesses fire you and refuse you service, it makes communities expel you from their presence, and it makes the government se you as a potential threat, they will harass you and likely try to ruin you when the opportunity comes.

Worse, it means a loss of self, you will lose parts of your identity, and that will hurt you the most, you will be left questioning what kind of person you are, what kind of world you live in, what kind of life you've lived, and what kind of life you can live now that your entire philosophical foundation has been rocked, so much of your opinions will need to change now that the assumed reality behind them has been altered.

So even when the truth is right before you, as plain and obvious as it could be, you will reject it on some improvised, often fallacious, reasoning.

The other approach will have you pretend to be reasonable by feigning knowledge and rejecting having your assertions subjected to examination, such as pulling out some alternative explanation that fits the new information, while still preserving the general narrative, or just refusing to listen.

Like preserving the idea that all races are equally likely to commit crimes by saying that the reason so many blacks are convicted is because the entire justice system has it out for them, or that it's because they are poor, uneducated, and living in bad conditions which forces them to commit crimes to survive.

This isn't bad by itself, in fact, it's a key component to the scientific mode of thinking, which is how an open mind caring for the truth would analyze anything it encounters, so long as you are open to actually testing those hypotheses, but this is where you, and most people fail, you will instead treat these possible explanations as if they were established fact, without being willing to submit your assertions to being examined or tested, and we know that you know that when we do look into these possibilities, we will come back with ample data that shows they don't hold up to even the most basic level of scrutiny.

For you, it doesn't matter how solid the excuse is, the purpose of an excuse is to have some rationale for denial, rather than just admitting that you are denying the facts just to avoid the negative repercussions of openly expressing or accepting the facts as they are (in this case, likely social rejection or even hostility for being a racist).

You've already made up your mind, and everything you hear is going to be filtered through your preconceived notions in order to conform your preexisting biases. You don't care about evidence, you only care about appearing to give a fuck about evidence because that makes your chosen position look reasonable.

Your position is taken not because of any good reasoning or evidence, but because the consequences for taking another position are more personally damaging to you than just refusing to budge, it will only be when you know that openly accepting the truth will not cause you more harm than persisting in your current stance that you will even be open to the possibility of changing your mind from it.

I'm repeating myself, aren't I?

Well, there's also the other matter, what if everyone accepts the truth about the misdeeds of powerful people in their society? what the hell will people do about it? riot in the streets?

Most likely not, most likely they will seek change in peaceful, lawful, and absolutely ineffective ways. We've been conditioned to think that change can come to an establishment without the need for violence or unlawfulness, and we look down on those who use violent or unlawful means to affect change.

Most people who point out the lack of outrage on the part of others as a reason to not be outraged themselves is as hilarious as a family that goes to a restaurant none of them like to eat at because they each assume that the other members of that family wouldn't be going there unless they liked eating at the place. Not one would stop to think about how maybe everyone else is just like them on this subject, this is a good sign for how our lack of awareness is destroying us as a people.

Even when it's obvious that the corruption within the system is so widespread and concentrated among the most powerful that there's little to no chance of making any changes from within the system itself.
You can't vote them out, even with the impossible unanimous vote from the common people, because they ultimately get to decide the victor, and the people's vote is merely a suggestion as to who it should be.
You can't try to litigate against them, because they are the courts, and they decide who wins each case, they will always rule in their own favor.
We will, continue to try these methods until we can't anymore, because we've been programmed by culture to see these things as possessing a sort of magical quality that can force powerful people to do certain things, all we need to do is use the right magic words and rituals, and then the people holding certain official titles will be forced to act in accordance with some magic words on some magic sheet of paper somewhere.
Like all this can overtake the wills of these men and women.
In reality, people act based on immediate personal incentive, we see positive incentive as something which attracts us, and negative incentive as something that repels us.
Talking to them about the future of our country, their own futures, or some abstract philosophical or political ideals and principles isn't going to do much good, it has to be personal and immediate.
That means it has to effect something in their lives that personally care about, and it has to do so immediately, not somewhere down the line in the distant future.
For example, while the threat of a bullet going through their skulls or a knife trough the throats of their loved ones is an almost universal motivator to get anyone to listen to what you have to say, it doesn't have to be so sensational of a situation, merely threatening their jobs or freedom is enough, being fired or going to prison will have about as much of an effect if you can show that there's a real possibility of this being the consequences to their next actions, the threat of losing money, or having their reputation destroyed, or just being denied the things they love, like good food or sex with someone they find very attractive, is also quite good at motivating actions. Even the threat of losing a friendship might be enough for some people to change their minds.
Three things: personal, immediate, and realistic.
This is why boycotts work, or people threatening to leave an area, or someone having their secrets exposed.

No one ever made change when limiting themselves to flyers and protesting, they've always went beyond those tactics to create change, you need an actual strategy that lays out the timeline for what you are going to do, and how it's going to change things, then keep a plan B ready for another route to change, place the more extreme tactics at the back of your bag.

At the very least, do what MLK and Gandhi did, and form a peaceful lawful group that works alongside another group that does the more extreme stuff in the name of your cause.
Do not be openly affiliated with them, in fact, have the peaceful and lawful group you lead condemn the extreme actions of the other group, and have that rivalry over difference in tactics be returned in kayfabe theatre, at the same time, have your top brass coordinate your group's actions with their leadership in secret meetings.

Hey, if you want to be successful, look to successful people, even if those people are your worst enemy, you don't have to like someone to learn from them, the best teachers on the battlefield could easily be the opponents you face there, sometimes there are simply better and worse ways of doing things, no "jewish" or "gentile" ways, just those that work, and those which do not.
adopt, adapt, improve, then return them the fire they directed at you, reverse engineer their strategy for your own cause, and you will be victorious, do not let your pride lead you to your doom, know them, and know yourself, become them without losing yourself in the process, it takes doing the impossible to achieve impossible things.



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[ - ] cyclops1771 2 points 2.9 yearsJul 27, 2022 15:46:55 ago (+2/-0)

They really don't need to keep people quiet, they just need to keep people from listening to those who do leak information and taking anything they say seriously.

This is why they invented the term "conspiracy theory" to begin with. Discredit your opponents, using whatever fallacy you can. Ad hominems to the point where ANY opposition is immediately branded a 'racist', 'bigot', 'conspiratard', 'anti-Semitic', etc. And just repeat it, over and over, everywhere. It's why you see local news reading the same talking points across the country, it's why the plethora of "...why that's a good thing" articles, same messages being tweeted by hundreds of bots on tweeter and reddit.

It's all a demoralization effort and an attempt to just stop looking, just work moar to consume moar.

[ - ] Paradoxical003 [op] 0 points 2.9 yearsJul 27, 2022 22:22:04 ago (+0/-0)

Behaviorism shows that repetition breeds acceptance, even if ridiculous lies.

Even more effective when multiple sources cooperate in it.

Now you know why we have those PSA's that have multiple actors repeating the same phrase or word.

We should list these techniques and post them in public places so that people can learn to spot the manipulations.

When aware that your being subject to a manipulation technique, it loses effectiveness on you.

[ - ] diggernicks 1 point 2.9 yearsJul 27, 2022 19:19:02 ago (+1/-0)

I did not read your novella

[ - ] Clubberlang 0 points 2.9 yearsJul 27, 2022 21:35:36 ago (+0/-0)

I ordered it on Amazon it says it'll be here sometime after the putin supply chain shortage.

[ - ] VicariousJambi 1 point 2.9 yearsJul 27, 2022 18:26:52 ago (+1/-0)

It's certainly worked it's magic on you, I can already present you with testimony after testimony from people involved deep inside each of these conspiracies, and you will reject each one, no matter who they are, what they say, and how much evidence they have to back up their claims.

Heck, I can even show you videos of key conspirators themselves straight up telling you what's been going on in detail, bragging about their plans, goals, and how they've achieved things thus far, they can have full presentations and you will still be unwilling to listen.

Cool it with the antisemitism.

[ - ] Clubberlang 0 points 2.9 yearsJul 27, 2022 21:33:47 ago (+0/-0)

China figured this out long ago.

To keep a population in complete slavery all you need to offer them I'm return are small conveniences for their compliance.

We've seen this play out in the west for almost 3 years now.

We're not free. We're just given little widows of reprieve before the next acceleration.

No shots will be fired. But you'll be fired for not being shot.

[ - ] Paradoxical003 [op] 0 points 2.9 yearsJul 27, 2022 22:15:22 ago (+0/-0)

Its the same as with domestic abusers.

First lovebombing, then abuse, then greater lovebombing, then greater abuse, then even greater lovebombing followed by even greater abuse.

Cults do the same thing.

And behaviorist psychology has discovered that you could further improve in the effects of this cycle by somewhat randomizing the results.

Which is what we see now.

[ - ] Clubberlang 0 points 2.9 yearsJul 28, 2022 22:16:25 ago (+0/-0)

Unfortunately it seems plausible

[ - ] Lazybutler 0 points 2.9 yearsJul 27, 2022 19:59:42 ago (+0/-0)

Seems like you've nailed it

[ - ] Laputois 0 points 2.9 yearsJul 27, 2022 18:50:40 ago (+0/-0)

Not to be flippant but I live down by the river in my van. I collect roadkill off the highway and render it down to make meat sandwiches that I sell from the back of my van. I don't need a stinking permit or health certificate and I stay one step ahead of the man.

[ - ] HeyJames 0 points 2.9 yearsJul 27, 2022 18:02:18 ago (+0/-0)

Comfortable people rarely revolt

[ - ] TheSimulacra 0 points 2.9 yearsJul 27, 2022 17:56:01 ago (+0/-0)

What useless dribble.

[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 2.9 yearsJul 27, 2022 15:25:54 ago (+0/-0)

How many people are needed to push the holohoax? Yet, ...

[ - ] yesiknow -3 points 2.9 yearsJul 27, 2022 15:01:13 ago (+0/-3)

The internet is not the place for this. People just aren't in the read long things mind set, and it's wasted.

You print that out and hand it out at restaurants, and near transit stations.

[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 2.9 yearsJul 27, 2022 15:26:36 ago (+1/-0)

Or at NA and AA meetings.

[ - ] Clubberlang 0 points 2.9 yearsJul 27, 2022 21:36:57 ago (+0/-0)

Hey hey hey goooodbyeeeee!

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