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Study says depression not caused by chemical imbalance, raising questions about antidepressants

submitted by knightwarrior41 to Health 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 07:29:21 ago (+46/-0)     (www.msn.com)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/study-says-depression-not-caused-by-chemical-imbalance-raising-questions-about-antidepressants/ar-AAZQ0uq?ocid=BingHp01&cvid=2a627097071446bccf5cfd3d95c45bc9

Millions of Americans take antidepressants, but a new study suggests the theory underpinning their use may be entirely wrong. Research from the University College London raises doubt that chemical imbalance in the brain is responsible for depression.

The researchers found “no support for the hypothesis that depression is caused by lowered serotonin activity or concentrations.”

They found stronger evidence that stressful life events can lead to depression.

The question is, do antidepressants help, and if so, how? If not, could they be doing harm?

Experts are divided and the study has drawn some pushback.


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[ - ] PhimoticEmbrace 21 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 08:41:14 ago (+21/-0)

People are depressed because the fucking kikes are ruining everything.

[ - ] Localuser 7 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 13:49:28 ago (+7/-0)

Yea simple as that. It’s all fucked and I’m getting taxed to death by pedophiles

[ - ] GeneralDisarray 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 15:34:01 ago (+1/-0)

They say it's a chemical imbalance to blame the victims of the fuckery!

It's called gaslighting and drugging.

[ - ] Sunman_Omega 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 16:35:09 ago (+1/-0)

And those same kikes are putting victims on SSRIs.

[ - ] Doglegwarrior 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 14:47:46 ago (+0/-0)

I said something similar but went on a mini rant

[ - ] patchCodeUnsuccessful 10 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 09:30:55 ago (+10/-0)

Where to start on this?

I have major depression going back to my teens. Never have been on an anti depressant, but birds of a feather, have met many who have. The results of anti depressants has shown some really nasty results.

1.) What are the types of depression

Depression comes in multiple flavors.
a.) Traumatic depression, or depression caused by a high stress event.
b.) Long term depression, where the wiring on the inside is set to being default depressed.
c.) Seasonal depression, where the weather decides to assign a cloud specifically for you.
d.) Manic depression, a lovely roller coaster of highs, lows, and the transition phases.

2.) What is the function of depression from a biological standpoint

Short term depression is meant to keep an animal in a hidden restful state after a bad experience. The appetite is suppressed so you don't spend time outdoors hunting gathering while injured, and inflammatory responses are stimulated to assist with fighting of bacteria that may have gotten into a wound.

Long term depression is generally caused by repeated short term events rewiring the neural pathways, a permanent change in the guts micro biome, and a general understanding of what homeostasis is. Rather then being an adaptive mechanism this is a misalignment and health issue.

Seasonal depression is meant to keep you out of poor weather and keep you from getting sick from a weakened immune system.

Manic depression, I don't know enough about. I assume that a subject is rather healthy in the manic state. Loads of energy, brain working at optimal, very outgoing individuals. But, the sudden shift triggered by either their biological clock or the weather is such a 180 that most notice the rapid shift as a drastic change in state with their life.

3.) What mechanisms turns short term depression into long term depression

First and foremost, the neural pathways are changeable. If trained for a long enough period of time to behave in a specific manner they will begin optimizing towards the least resistant path. So, if you're always in the dumps then they'll switch to a state that you will be in the dumps easier.

Alongside this, the bacterial consistency of your gut is the prime chemical powerhouse of the body. I don't know enough about this, but there was a really strange study where they performed a stool transplant on depressed individuals with healthy people. This had an 90%+ positive effect. I assume if you eat poorly while depressed a lot of the good bacteria in your gut dies and you never recover properly.

A toxic buildup of stress hormones can also play a role. Serotonin is a strong anti inflammatory substance, and it may balance out the stress hormones that the body is producing, particularly in the gut. But, SSRIs are massive overkill and getting proper antioxidants into the diet (especially magnesium, vitamin D, and melotonin) works better without the strange neurological side effects.

4.) What can be done to alleviate short term and long term depression

There are a few therapies that I've found work well. The first being rather stupid, but still worked.

a.) Journal 3 things you're thankful for.
Holy shit this one seems dumb. When you feel like shit you're not thankful for anything. It's a practice to try and rewire the brain to recognize what you're actually glad to have in your life. It works after about 2 weeks, but it's really hard to start and keep going with it consistently for time when you don't want to expend energy on dumb shit.

b.) exercise
When getting up out of bed is hard enough, going for a walk in the sun is like running a fucking marathon. If you do have a depressed friend force them into moving. It has a lot to do with the buildup of stress hormones in the body. Exercise helps filter all of that out.

c.) diet
GET ANTIOXIDANTS THAT HELP WITH INFLAMMATION
I cannot stress this enough. The inflammatory response is causing the brain to go into a restful state. The restful state is causing an inflammatory response. Do not eat junk food as it makes inflammation worse.

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For the most part depression is a symptom of an underlying cause that should be treated. Just throwing on SSRIs on top can treat the symptom but does jack shit to heal an individual.

[ - ] IfuckedYerMum 5 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 09:56:32 ago (+5/-0)

Good post. I want to add to the diet section:

Stop eating polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFAs). These are extremely inflammatory and oxidative and they are in everything. Seed/vegetable oils are PUFAs. Corn, soy, canola/rapeseed, sunflower oils, etc. They are billed as being the healthier fats, with saturated fats (animals fats) being unhealthy, but this is a lie. Remember, always do opposite of what the jew tells you.

[ - ] patchCodeUnsuccessful 2 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 10:08:37 ago (+2/-0)

I 100% agree with this, I didn't go heavy into what to eat and avoid because it's a lot to think about when you're down.

Keeping ideas simple, keeping food simple (just eat veggies and lean meat), take a handful of vitamins, and sleep deeply. These are key concepts that are easy to remember when you have brain fog.

[ - ] knightwarrior41 [op] 3 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 09:33:41 ago (+3/-0)

I have major depression going back to my teens


welcome to the club.

[ - ] patchCodeUnsuccessful 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 09:37:04 ago (+1/-0)

No surprise. Thought the last statistics I read about 20% of people have long term depression going over 2 years.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 12:27:57 ago (+0/-0)

I don’t even call it depression. The way they present depression— it’s not what Ive got. I don’t even look at it as a disease anymore. I just work differently. Theres nothing to fix. I have a low tolerance for certain shit. Its never going away.

Ive given up shoehorning myself into some role as a cog in this shitty jew run rat race.

[ - ] patchCodeUnsuccessful 2 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 12:56:05 ago (+2/-0)*

It's a bit difficult to reply to this one.
The fact that you don't call it depression anymore would mean that you have the prime majority of symptoms under control well enough that you can live your life.

The depression they present is generally not what somebody who has their emotional life in balance and just feeling the run down biological effects shows. But, a load of quacks dispersing pills isn't going to take a deeper look at anything.

"I don't look at it as a disease any more" It never was. It's a biological adaptive feature of being a mammal. The fact that you have a low tolerance for certain shit is an avoidance mechanism of placing yourself back into a fucked up state. But, the general mal state is a permanent change to your biology. You do run different because you've hit specific environmental factors that have changed you.

The fact that it was ever brought up to be a disease is where the fuckery lies. The concept that people should be happy 24/7/365 is some dystopian pipe dream used to shove pills down peoples faces. But, like all pharma, it's not profitable to heal people. Far more profitable to just cover up the symptoms.
*EDIT : Also way more profitable to shove pills down your face when there's nothing wrong with you to begin with.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 16:08:25 ago (+0/-0)

The fact that you don't call it depression anymore would mean that you have the prime majority of symptoms under control well enough that you can live your life.

Interesting that you would make that assumption based on absolutely no knowlege of my personal circumstances. Do niggers have a disease? Or are they just a bad model for modern society? Every evolutionary dead end is not a disease. Im not a nigger btw lol. Every day is pain. “Normal” activities are excruciating.

They framed it as a disease so they could sell a cure. Which doesn’t work. They sell false hope just like any televangelist. They know people like me will be desparate enough to try anything and spend tens of thousands of dollars on the vain hope that they can have a normal life.

[ - ] patchCodeUnsuccessful 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 16:31:44 ago (+1/-0)

If you're in constant pain you should go get your blood work done. Lot of nasty things lurk around and a few can be isolated. Especially in the liver and kidneys. If it doesn't show anything it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, just means they can't isolate it off of normal tests.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 17:02:58 ago (+0/-0)

If you're in constant pain you should go get your blood work done

Gee I never thought of that.

Its not a disease. It cant be cured. Theres nothing wrong with my liver or kidneys.

[ - ] patchCodeUnsuccessful 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 19:02:41 ago (+1/-0)

I'll believe that when I run out of things to diagnose.
Constant pain where? Joints, muscles, lymph, nerves. Arms, legs, back, head?

[ - ] big_fat_dangus 2 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 14:11:05 ago (+2/-0)

You have something called autism. It's not terminal but it is a disease.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 16:10:26 ago (+0/-0)

I don’t have autism.

[ - ] big_fat_dangus 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 16:11:52 ago (+0/-0)

Oh really. How many fingers am I holding up?

[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 16:48:11 ago (+1/-0)

How many does @blumen4alles usually take?


Heh heh heh heh heh.

[ - ] 867530nein 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 14:19:27 ago (+0/-0)

im pretty sure i have the long term caused by an asshole parent growing up. nightly drunken bullshit. im sure my chronic alcohol use exacerbates it, but ive been going for 18 years on the sauce.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2022 06:57:46 ago (+0/-0)

I used to focus on a parent’s abusiveness as an “explanation” for why I had difficulties. I don’t view it like that so much anymore. I think its more likely that I inherited some traits that make it difficult for me to function but that parent was a scapegoat for my pain. Not excusing the drunken parent— but we sometimes need “reasons” and psychotherapy teaches us to focus on interactions with mom and dad. I now think its more biological but I was inventing a narrative.

Alcohol abuse is very heritable. I was able to quit several years ago and it was completely worth it. Another invented narrative was that I needed it to cope. In retrospect, it was just a physical addiction that need a few weeks to pass. I love NOT drinking now. I HIGHLY reccomend it. I don’t miss it. The stress you feel that you relieve with drinking is caused by drinking. You seem to indicate that you do not enjoy being an alcoholic. Poke me if you need motivation. :)

[ - ] deleted 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 09:41:37 ago (+1/-0)

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[ - ] HeyJames 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 12:01:15 ago (+2/-1)

Faggot

[ - ] patchCodeUnsuccessful 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 09:51:59 ago (+0/-0)

Don't force yourself, it's more stressful man. A concussion would definitely be a trigger for the short term shit. Minimize the stressful shit around you, eat well, and try to get outside under the sun. You already know how to keep it under control, but it sounds like you got knocked into a state where even doing that is a lot of energy.

You know what you need to do, at some point in the future get pissed at yourself and muster up the energy to do it.

[ - ] oyblat 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 27, 2022 00:15:18 ago (+0/-0)

What anti-oxidants do you recommend?

[ - ] patchCodeUnsuccessful 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 27, 2022 10:20:34 ago (+1/-0)

Magnesium - most people don't get enough
Melatonin - deep sleep to help remove gunk from the brain, also ubiquitous in the body and non-harmful. Some people have issues with it, so don't take if you don't have a decent sleeping block lined out.
Zinc - helps with some cases of anxiety, usually you'll see a mix of that with most depressed people.

Those are my big three, if you're looking for other random shit I'd advise

Vitamin D - if you're low on it (don't go outside much, most depressed people do not) the stuff helps on muscle pain in the lower back and calms a person down. High doses for a week, then 10,000 IU after is my normal if I forget for a long time.
L-Arginine - Boosts metabolism, has a strange effect of increasing oxidative stress as it gives the immune system some peroxide ammunition. But, also has anti ox properties. If you can stomach the taste brewers yeast is the cheapest place to get a lot along with a lot of other useful enzymes

There's a whole mess of them out there. From what I've personally found you kind of have to take a look at your regular diet, find the holes that you're lacking then get the proper base line reestablished. Also, fiber helps if you're looking to get rid of stuff through the bowels. But, don't go overboard with minerals as they can throw other minerals out of balance and really mess you up. For the first couple of days it's ok to go around 200% daily value, but settle back into getting into the 100% daily value range. And, now I'm rambling.

[ - ] oyblat 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 27, 2022 17:02:44 ago (+0/-0)

Thank you very much.

[ - ] we_kill_creativity 6 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 07:36:53 ago (+6/-0)

This world is so stupid. There's nothing inherently unhealthy with feeling depressed if thats the right way to feel. Something bad happens to you, you SHOULD feel bad, just like if you break a bone you should feel pain. In fact, if you don't thats something wrong with you. All antidepressants do is mask pain, stopping you from processing it and thus you get the highly ironic suicide warnings on anti depressants. Its simple logic.

[ - ] knightwarrior41 [op] 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 07:57:30 ago (+0/-0)

it makes you feel like a zombie if you take it long enough. for me it has helped me alot but it also killed my thyroid gland and again it makes you feel like a zombie of sorts.

and i agree that if something makes you sad you should be sad or grieve about it. something its even healthy to not hide the pain. this something that i need to learn to do because i can be quite stoic sometimes

[ - ] Leveraction 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 10:52:38 ago (+0/-0)

Thank you! Finally a common sense comment!

[ - ] RedBarchetta 2 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 08:50:43 ago (+2/-0)

Considering the source. I wouldn't trust anything they say.

[ - ] RabbiKinderschtupper 2 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 08:31:34 ago (+2/-0)

They found stronger evidence that stressful life events can lead to depression.

But let's completely disregard a lack of stressful life events causing depression.

People have it too easy these days. There's no struggle. No struggle means no accomplishments. No accomplishments means depression and no sense of self worth.

Edit: KEK. After I posted that, I see this https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=62de87d953d6b

[ - ] deleted 2 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 09:36:31 ago (+2/-0)

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[ - ] RabbiKinderschtupper 2 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 10:00:39 ago (+2/-0)

Sack up. YOU are in charge of your life. I've been at the point that you mentioned above, about getting out of bed being a struggle, particularly after my dad died. I realized how pathetic that was, and took charge.

You've got free will, and you've got willpower. It seems that you know it's not right, so force your way out of it.

Go chop some wood. Go start a garden. Mow the lawn. Something.

Go watch historical reincatment videos and contemplate what those people struggled through, particularly in winter, and realize that even with all the Niggering and Jewing going on in the world, you've got it pretty okay comparatively.

Muscle through it my man.

[ - ] PostWallHelena -2 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 12:13:24 ago (+0/-2)

Free will is an illusion. People have depression because of their genetics. Everyone wasnt born with a winning hand. Perhaps moticational stuff works. But it is not working on free will.

[ - ] RabbiKinderschtupper 2 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 12:23:36 ago (+2/-0)

𝚖𝚄𝚑 𝚐𝙴𝚗𝙴𝚝𝙸𝚌𝚂

You sound like one of those fat fucks who can't put their fork down and blames their fat fuckery on something other than their own actions.

I was born with far from a "winning hand". I just have little tolerance for bullshit, which includes my own.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 16:28:38 ago (+0/-0)

I was born with far from a "winning hand".

How would you know? Since you don’t have this problem, it looks like youve got a winning hand on this score. You are saying “sack up” and use your “free will”, knowing that those functions occur in the brain. And if someone has poor function in their brain, you are advocating that someone use their brain to overcome a problem with their brain. Do you see what the problem is? Yes of course you do. But its uncomfortable to think about that so you run LittleToleranceForBullshit.exe and it makes younfeel better.

You lie to yourself that depressed people could “sack up” if they wanted to, that fat people could really be thin, and that niggers could ever act like whites, so that you dont have to feel guilty about hating them. Love them or hate them. But understand that all those conditions are controlled by genes and we have no control over them. We are animals. Free will is an illusion.

[ - ] RabbiKinderschtupper 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 16:50:02 ago (+1/-0)

Now I'm understanding why people on this site can't stand you. You just make excuses for being a weak little bitch.

I stated already that I've struggled plenty with these issues, but I power through them because that's what a reasonable person does.

There's literal amputees that become athletes. That is strength of self, perseverance, and willpower in effect.

If you want to keep making excuses for yourself, go right ahead, but never expect me to accept them.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 17:08:42 ago (+0/-0)

You are angry with me but it doesn’t stop what I say from being true. Your brain is controlled by your genes. Your brain controls all your behavior. You are a meat robot programmed with genetic and cultural information. You have no will.

I've struggled plenty with these issues, but I power through them

This is an illusion.

[ - ] uvulectomy 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 20:50:06 ago (+1/-0)

Stressful life events like....being lied to constantly, having your business closed, your job eliminated, and being forbidden from seeing your dying loved ones in the hospital, all over a spicy cold?

Stressful events like watching your country being overrun by outsiders who hate you and want you dead?

Stressful events like watching everything you and your ancestors worked for be pissed away to appease a bunch of degenerate subhumans so they don't have to feel the weight of their own miserable lives and terrible decisions?

[ - ] Doglegwarrior 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 14:43:38 ago (+1/-0)

Depression is caused by shit societies purposely trying to destroy people's souls so they will go to a job they hate to make some asshole rich who thry hate while jews are actively trying to genocide the race you belong too... that will cause depression my chemicals stay the same this jew zog society is what is causing me to feel a little down... also this society turns good white women into evil fucking narrcisistic whores furthering the shit!!!

[ - ] qwop 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 10:00:18 ago (+2/-1)*

I have yet to see any depression study talk about toxic exposure of the brain. Even though alcohol (a neurotoxin), for example, changes your behavior, no one seems to be able to link depression with the possibility of toxin exposure.

I suffer from something called MCS, multiple chemical sensitivity. A total pain in the ass condition, where the body's ability to handle any chemical exposure is essentially gone. This means even minuscule amounts of exposure to perfumes, detergents, molds, paints, fumes - basically anything in the air, can trigger numerous various symptoms in my body.

As a consequence I am like a canary in the coal mine, and as an example, certain perfumes trigger INSTANT suicidal depression in me.

I see many other effects of exposure too. For example for me, nightmares are directly coupled to exposure. So far, every time I have bad nightmares, I discover I have been exposed to something while I was sleeping.

Therefore I believe nightmares are actually, in most cases, an effects of pollution of the brain. Be it air pollution, or internal pollution (food, inflammation, bacterial).

I'm sure there are many other triggers to depression, but because of my experience with MCS, toxic exposure is a crystal clear and obvious trigger to me.

People with chronic depression should therefore consider this when diagnosing themselves. Do you have mold in your house? Do you use perfumes, shampoos, detergents or other products which could be contributing to your condition? If you live in an apartment building, even your neighbors using such products could be contributing (through unintended air exchange in the building; apartments are not air tight).

Such pollutants are of course not the only triggers for depression, but just wanted to point this out, because it seems to be a big puzzle piece missing from the depression discussion.

[ - ] patchCodeUnsuccessful 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 10:43:02 ago (+1/-0)

I've looked into this to an extent. A lot of depression is related to inflammation, and there are substances that can trigger the immune system to go into a pro inflammatory state. As you stated food, mold, bacteria. When I had bad responses to allergens the next day I'd usually end up depressed for a short period of time. There are also pro inflammatory non organics like lead, aluminum, mercury, and other free radical oxidative metals. (Filter your water).

Also, in a counter method. Loading up on melatonin and drifting into long deep sleep helped a lot to clean out the brain.

I'm honestly not 100% on what the link is besides pain receptors and pro inflammation response triggering neurological pathways. But, in any event it does good to clean all of the shit out of the body.

[ - ] deleted 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 12:42:02 ago (+0/-0)

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[ - ] SenpaithatFriendzonesyou 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 08:22:07 ago (+1/-0)

Every school shooter and almost all the mass shooters, were on ssris. This goes back to columbine. They even did the bullshit bullying smear on that school because klebold told his doctor multiple times that his medication made him feel wrong and evil, so the doctor prescribed the generics.

[ - ] i_hate_sodomites 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2022 04:58:20 ago (+0/-0)

Kill all the jews, everywhere, and 90% of depression everywhere will cease to exist inside a year. Jews cause depression, because jews created this shit-hole of a world; kill them, and things will start to get better....

[ - ] DukeofRaul 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 21:59:28 ago (+0/-0)

I have developed a rich-inner life.

[ - ] NiggerNiggerZooPals 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 18:42:08 ago (+0/-0)

I want to add that if you have depression, chiropractic care can help at least temporarily. It is a non drug approach to treating the nervous system. If your spine is fucked up it can cause all sorts of problems.

Only thing is you want to find a chiropractor that isn’t a quack. The field is somewhat lagging behind medical science, but is quickly catching up. Just like medicine used to be involved with blood letting, chiropractic can be riddled with bunk ideas.

I’ve struggled with depression for some time and going to the chiropractor can make me feel better for a little while after an adjustment. Even if it’s placebo, antidepressants seem to be a placebo as well, with little evidence for improving depression except for extreme cases.

[ - ] NiggerNiggerZooPals 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 15:29:23 ago (+0/-0)

I want to add that if you have depression, chiropractic care can help at least temporarily. It is a non drug approach to treating the nervous system. If your spine is fucked up it can cause all sorts of problems.

Only thing is you want to find a chiropractor that isn’t a quack. The field is somewhat lagging behind medical science, but is quickly catching up. Just like medicine used to be involved with blood letting, chiropractic can be riddled with bunk ideas.

I’ve struggled with depression for some time and going to the chiropractor can make me feel better for a little while after an adjustment. Even if it’s placebo, antidepressants seem to be a placebo as well, with little evidence for improving depression except for extreme cases.

[ - ] cj71 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 14:37:04 ago (+0/-0)

[ - ] Anus_Expander 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 13:19:36 ago (+0/-0)

Almost all depression is situational. Job, family, money, etc. For some it's being aware that they are physically unattractive. Being ugly wears one's spirit down.

[ - ] Systemisgay 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 12:37:35 ago (+0/-0)

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 12:19:45 ago (+0/-0)

People around here talk about SSRIs making you erratic. I suppose thta is true with a subset of people.

What is really bad about SSRIs is the long term cognitve penalties that they don’t tell you about.

Prozac slowly makes you stupid and forgetful. This is true of many psych drugs but benzos and SSRIs in particular.

I basically think the whole disease paradigm of mental illness is wrong. Depression is usually no more of a disease than red hair. Its just a trait. Its got plusses and minuses.

None of their pills do well long term at supressing its negative aspects.

[ - ] bobdole9 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 12:03:42 ago (+0/-0)

All antodepressants do is allow one to accept the current situation.

It numbs you - never makes anything better.

Been there, done that...just another way to make (((pharma bucks))).

[ - ] Spaceman84 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 12:01:28 ago (+0/-0)

A number of years ago German research showed that SSRIs do not function as was theorized. The antidepressive effect is likely placebo.

[ - ] Prairie 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 09:41:38 ago (+0/-0)

Aren't they about as effective as a placebo?

[ - ] patchCodeUnsuccessful 2 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 10:45:20 ago (+2/-0)

No, they were found to be twice as effective as placebos. At least that was in old studies. Which means that they're ineffective about 60% of the time.

[ - ] Prairie 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 23:31:28 ago (+0/-0)

I wonder how much of that is due to them doing something, anything, that the user notices, and attributes to the drug magically solving their problems behind the scenes.

[ - ] patchCodeUnsuccessful 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2022 10:49:58 ago (+0/-0)

That would be the placebo effect. So half the SSRI takers probably.

[ - ] deleted 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 09:15:18 ago (+0/-0)

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[ - ] knightwarrior41 [op] 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 09:31:05 ago (+0/-0)

you dont say