submitted by knightwarrior41 to Health 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 07:29:21 ago (+46/-0) (www.msn.com)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/study-says-depression-not-caused-by-chemical-imbalance-raising-questions-about-antidepressants/ar-AAZQ0uq?ocid=BingHp01&cvid=2a627097071446bccf5cfd3d95c45bc9
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[ - ] PhimoticEmbrace 21 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 08:41:14 ago (+21/-0)
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[ + ] GeneralDisarray
[ - ] GeneralDisarray 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 15:34:01 ago (+1/-0)
It's called gaslighting and drugging.
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[ + ] Doglegwarrior
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[ + ] patchCodeUnsuccessful
[ - ] patchCodeUnsuccessful 10 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 09:30:55 ago (+10/-0)
I have major depression going back to my teens. Never have been on an anti depressant, but birds of a feather, have met many who have. The results of anti depressants has shown some really nasty results.
1.) What are the types of depression
Depression comes in multiple flavors.
a.) Traumatic depression, or depression caused by a high stress event.
b.) Long term depression, where the wiring on the inside is set to being default depressed.
c.) Seasonal depression, where the weather decides to assign a cloud specifically for you.
d.) Manic depression, a lovely roller coaster of highs, lows, and the transition phases.
2.) What is the function of depression from a biological standpoint
Short term depression is meant to keep an animal in a hidden restful state after a bad experience. The appetite is suppressed so you don't spend time outdoors hunting gathering while injured, and inflammatory responses are stimulated to assist with fighting of bacteria that may have gotten into a wound.
Long term depression is generally caused by repeated short term events rewiring the neural pathways, a permanent change in the guts micro biome, and a general understanding of what homeostasis is. Rather then being an adaptive mechanism this is a misalignment and health issue.
Seasonal depression is meant to keep you out of poor weather and keep you from getting sick from a weakened immune system.
Manic depression, I don't know enough about. I assume that a subject is rather healthy in the manic state. Loads of energy, brain working at optimal, very outgoing individuals. But, the sudden shift triggered by either their biological clock or the weather is such a 180 that most notice the rapid shift as a drastic change in state with their life.
3.) What mechanisms turns short term depression into long term depression
First and foremost, the neural pathways are changeable. If trained for a long enough period of time to behave in a specific manner they will begin optimizing towards the least resistant path. So, if you're always in the dumps then they'll switch to a state that you will be in the dumps easier.
Alongside this, the bacterial consistency of your gut is the prime chemical powerhouse of the body. I don't know enough about this, but there was a really strange study where they performed a stool transplant on depressed individuals with healthy people. This had an 90%+ positive effect. I assume if you eat poorly while depressed a lot of the good bacteria in your gut dies and you never recover properly.
A toxic buildup of stress hormones can also play a role. Serotonin is a strong anti inflammatory substance, and it may balance out the stress hormones that the body is producing, particularly in the gut. But, SSRIs are massive overkill and getting proper antioxidants into the diet (especially magnesium, vitamin D, and melotonin) works better without the strange neurological side effects.
4.) What can be done to alleviate short term and long term depression
There are a few therapies that I've found work well. The first being rather stupid, but still worked.
a.) Journal 3 things you're thankful for.
Holy shit this one seems dumb. When you feel like shit you're not thankful for anything. It's a practice to try and rewire the brain to recognize what you're actually glad to have in your life. It works after about 2 weeks, but it's really hard to start and keep going with it consistently for time when you don't want to expend energy on dumb shit.
b.) exercise
When getting up out of bed is hard enough, going for a walk in the sun is like running a fucking marathon. If you do have a depressed friend force them into moving. It has a lot to do with the buildup of stress hormones in the body. Exercise helps filter all of that out.
c.) diet
GET ANTIOXIDANTS THAT HELP WITH INFLAMMATION
I cannot stress this enough. The inflammatory response is causing the brain to go into a restful state. The restful state is causing an inflammatory response. Do not eat junk food as it makes inflammation worse.
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For the most part depression is a symptom of an underlying cause that should be treated. Just throwing on SSRIs on top can treat the symptom but does jack shit to heal an individual.
[ + ] IfuckedYerMum
[ - ] IfuckedYerMum 5 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 09:56:32 ago (+5/-0)
Stop eating polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFAs). These are extremely inflammatory and oxidative and they are in everything. Seed/vegetable oils are PUFAs. Corn, soy, canola/rapeseed, sunflower oils, etc. They are billed as being the healthier fats, with saturated fats (animals fats) being unhealthy, but this is a lie. Remember, always do opposite of what the jew tells you.
[ + ] patchCodeUnsuccessful
[ - ] patchCodeUnsuccessful 2 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 10:08:37 ago (+2/-0)
Keeping ideas simple, keeping food simple (just eat veggies and lean meat), take a handful of vitamins, and sleep deeply. These are key concepts that are easy to remember when you have brain fog.
[ + ] knightwarrior41
[ - ] knightwarrior41 [op] 3 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 09:33:41 ago (+3/-0)
welcome to the club.
[ + ] patchCodeUnsuccessful
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[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 12:27:57 ago (+0/-0)
Ive given up shoehorning myself into some role as a cog in this shitty jew run rat race.
[ + ] patchCodeUnsuccessful
[ - ] patchCodeUnsuccessful 2 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 12:56:05 ago (+2/-0)*
The fact that you don't call it depression anymore would mean that you have the prime majority of symptoms under control well enough that you can live your life.
The depression they present is generally not what somebody who has their emotional life in balance and just feeling the run down biological effects shows. But, a load of quacks dispersing pills isn't going to take a deeper look at anything.
"I don't look at it as a disease any more" It never was. It's a biological adaptive feature of being a mammal. The fact that you have a low tolerance for certain shit is an avoidance mechanism of placing yourself back into a fucked up state. But, the general mal state is a permanent change to your biology. You do run different because you've hit specific environmental factors that have changed you.
The fact that it was ever brought up to be a disease is where the fuckery lies. The concept that people should be happy 24/7/365 is some dystopian pipe dream used to shove pills down peoples faces. But, like all pharma, it's not profitable to heal people. Far more profitable to just cover up the symptoms.
*EDIT : Also way more profitable to shove pills down your face when there's nothing wrong with you to begin with.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 16:08:25 ago (+0/-0)
Interesting that you would make that assumption based on absolutely no knowlege of my personal circumstances. Do niggers have a disease? Or are they just a bad model for modern society? Every evolutionary dead end is not a disease. Im not a nigger btw lol. Every day is pain. “Normal” activities are excruciating.
They framed it as a disease so they could sell a cure. Which doesn’t work. They sell false hope just like any televangelist. They know people like me will be desparate enough to try anything and spend tens of thousands of dollars on the vain hope that they can have a normal life.
[ + ] patchCodeUnsuccessful
[ - ] patchCodeUnsuccessful 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 16:31:44 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 17:02:58 ago (+0/-0)
Gee I never thought of that.
Its not a disease. It cant be cured. Theres nothing wrong with my liver or kidneys.
[ + ] patchCodeUnsuccessful
[ - ] patchCodeUnsuccessful 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 19:02:41 ago (+1/-0)
Constant pain where? Joints, muscles, lymph, nerves. Arms, legs, back, head?
[ + ] big_fat_dangus
[ - ] big_fat_dangus 2 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 14:11:05 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 16:10:26 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] big_fat_dangus
[ - ] big_fat_dangus 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 16:11:52 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 16:48:11 ago (+1/-0)
Heh heh heh heh heh.
[ + ] 867530nein
[ - ] 867530nein 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 14:19:27 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2022 06:57:46 ago (+0/-0)
Alcohol abuse is very heritable. I was able to quit several years ago and it was completely worth it. Another invented narrative was that I needed it to cope. In retrospect, it was just a physical addiction that need a few weeks to pass. I love NOT drinking now. I HIGHLY reccomend it. I don’t miss it. The stress you feel that you relieve with drinking is caused by drinking. You seem to indicate that you do not enjoy being an alcoholic. Poke me if you need motivation. :)
[ + ] deleted
[ - ] deleted 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 09:41:37 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] HeyJames
[ - ] HeyJames 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 12:01:15 ago (+2/-1)
[ + ] patchCodeUnsuccessful
[ - ] patchCodeUnsuccessful 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 09:51:59 ago (+0/-0)
You know what you need to do, at some point in the future get pissed at yourself and muster up the energy to do it.
[ + ] oyblat
[ - ] oyblat 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 27, 2022 00:15:18 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] patchCodeUnsuccessful
[ - ] patchCodeUnsuccessful 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 27, 2022 10:20:34 ago (+1/-0)
Melatonin - deep sleep to help remove gunk from the brain, also ubiquitous in the body and non-harmful. Some people have issues with it, so don't take if you don't have a decent sleeping block lined out.
Zinc - helps with some cases of anxiety, usually you'll see a mix of that with most depressed people.
Those are my big three, if you're looking for other random shit I'd advise
Vitamin D - if you're low on it (don't go outside much, most depressed people do not) the stuff helps on muscle pain in the lower back and calms a person down. High doses for a week, then 10,000 IU after is my normal if I forget for a long time.
L-Arginine - Boosts metabolism, has a strange effect of increasing oxidative stress as it gives the immune system some peroxide ammunition. But, also has anti ox properties. If you can stomach the taste brewers yeast is the cheapest place to get a lot along with a lot of other useful enzymes
There's a whole mess of them out there. From what I've personally found you kind of have to take a look at your regular diet, find the holes that you're lacking then get the proper base line reestablished. Also, fiber helps if you're looking to get rid of stuff through the bowels. But, don't go overboard with minerals as they can throw other minerals out of balance and really mess you up. For the first couple of days it's ok to go around 200% daily value, but settle back into getting into the 100% daily value range. And, now I'm rambling.
[ + ] oyblat
[ - ] oyblat 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 27, 2022 17:02:44 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] we_kill_creativity
[ - ] we_kill_creativity 6 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 07:36:53 ago (+6/-0)
[ + ] knightwarrior41
[ - ] knightwarrior41 [op] 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 07:57:30 ago (+0/-0)
and i agree that if something makes you sad you should be sad or grieve about it. something its even healthy to not hide the pain. this something that i need to learn to do because i can be quite stoic sometimes
[ + ] Leveraction
[ - ] Leveraction 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 10:52:38 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] RedBarchetta
[ - ] RedBarchetta 2 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 08:50:43 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] RabbiKinderschtupper
[ - ] RabbiKinderschtupper 2 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 08:31:34 ago (+2/-0)
But let's completely disregard a lack of stressful life events causing depression.
People have it too easy these days. There's no struggle. No struggle means no accomplishments. No accomplishments means depression and no sense of self worth.
Edit: KEK. After I posted that, I see this https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=62de87d953d6b
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[ + ] RabbiKinderschtupper
[ - ] RabbiKinderschtupper 2 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 10:00:39 ago (+2/-0)
You've got free will, and you've got willpower. It seems that you know it's not right, so force your way out of it.
Go chop some wood. Go start a garden. Mow the lawn. Something.
Go watch historical reincatment videos and contemplate what those people struggled through, particularly in winter, and realize that even with all the Niggering and Jewing going on in the world, you've got it pretty okay comparatively.
Muscle through it my man.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena -2 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 12:13:24 ago (+0/-2)
[ + ] RabbiKinderschtupper
[ - ] RabbiKinderschtupper 2 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 12:23:36 ago (+2/-0)
You sound like one of those fat fucks who can't put their fork down and blames their fat fuckery on something other than their own actions.
I was born with far from a "winning hand". I just have little tolerance for bullshit, which includes my own.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 16:28:38 ago (+0/-0)
How would you know? Since you don’t have this problem, it looks like youve got a winning hand on this score. You are saying “sack up” and use your “free will”, knowing that those functions occur in the brain. And if someone has poor function in their brain, you are advocating that someone use their brain to overcome a problem with their brain. Do you see what the problem is? Yes of course you do. But its uncomfortable to think about that so you run LittleToleranceForBullshit.exe and it makes younfeel better.
You lie to yourself that depressed people could “sack up” if they wanted to, that fat people could really be thin, and that niggers could ever act like whites, so that you dont have to feel guilty about hating them. Love them or hate them. But understand that all those conditions are controlled by genes and we have no control over them. We are animals. Free will is an illusion.
[ + ] RabbiKinderschtupper
[ - ] RabbiKinderschtupper 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 16:50:02 ago (+1/-0)
I stated already that I've struggled plenty with these issues, but I power through them because that's what a reasonable person does.
There's literal amputees that become athletes. That is strength of self, perseverance, and willpower in effect.
If you want to keep making excuses for yourself, go right ahead, but never expect me to accept them.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 17:08:42 ago (+0/-0)
This is an illusion.
[ + ] uvulectomy
[ - ] uvulectomy 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 20:50:06 ago (+1/-0)
Stressful events like watching your country being overrun by outsiders who hate you and want you dead?
Stressful events like watching everything you and your ancestors worked for be pissed away to appease a bunch of degenerate subhumans so they don't have to feel the weight of their own miserable lives and terrible decisions?
[ + ] Doglegwarrior
[ - ] Doglegwarrior 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 14:43:38 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] qwop
[ - ] qwop 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 10:00:18 ago (+2/-1)*
I suffer from something called MCS, multiple chemical sensitivity. A total pain in the ass condition, where the body's ability to handle any chemical exposure is essentially gone. This means even minuscule amounts of exposure to perfumes, detergents, molds, paints, fumes - basically anything in the air, can trigger numerous various symptoms in my body.
As a consequence I am like a canary in the coal mine, and as an example, certain perfumes trigger INSTANT suicidal depression in me.
I see many other effects of exposure too. For example for me, nightmares are directly coupled to exposure. So far, every time I have bad nightmares, I discover I have been exposed to something while I was sleeping.
Therefore I believe nightmares are actually, in most cases, an effects of pollution of the brain. Be it air pollution, or internal pollution (food, inflammation, bacterial).
I'm sure there are many other triggers to depression, but because of my experience with MCS, toxic exposure is a crystal clear and obvious trigger to me.
People with chronic depression should therefore consider this when diagnosing themselves. Do you have mold in your house? Do you use perfumes, shampoos, detergents or other products which could be contributing to your condition? If you live in an apartment building, even your neighbors using such products could be contributing (through unintended air exchange in the building; apartments are not air tight).
Such pollutants are of course not the only triggers for depression, but just wanted to point this out, because it seems to be a big puzzle piece missing from the depression discussion.
[ + ] patchCodeUnsuccessful
[ - ] patchCodeUnsuccessful 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 10:43:02 ago (+1/-0)
Also, in a counter method. Loading up on melatonin and drifting into long deep sleep helped a lot to clean out the brain.
I'm honestly not 100% on what the link is besides pain receptors and pro inflammation response triggering neurological pathways. But, in any event it does good to clean all of the shit out of the body.
[ + ] deleted
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[ + ] SenpaithatFriendzonesyou
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[ + ] NiggerNiggerZooPals
[ - ] NiggerNiggerZooPals 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 18:42:08 ago (+0/-0)
Only thing is you want to find a chiropractor that isn’t a quack. The field is somewhat lagging behind medical science, but is quickly catching up. Just like medicine used to be involved with blood letting, chiropractic can be riddled with bunk ideas.
I’ve struggled with depression for some time and going to the chiropractor can make me feel better for a little while after an adjustment. Even if it’s placebo, antidepressants seem to be a placebo as well, with little evidence for improving depression except for extreme cases.
[ + ] NiggerNiggerZooPals
[ - ] NiggerNiggerZooPals 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 15:29:23 ago (+0/-0)
Only thing is you want to find a chiropractor that isn’t a quack. The field is somewhat lagging behind medical science, but is quickly catching up. Just like medicine used to be involved with blood letting, chiropractic can be riddled with bunk ideas.
I’ve struggled with depression for some time and going to the chiropractor can make me feel better for a little while after an adjustment. Even if it’s placebo, antidepressants seem to be a placebo as well, with little evidence for improving depression except for extreme cases.
[ + ] Fascinus
[ - ] Fascinus 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 14:58:53 ago (+0/-0)
Archive link: https://archive.ph/xsWxS
[ + ] cj71
[ - ] cj71 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 14:37:04 ago (+0/-0)
https://men-elite.com/2020/04/24/serotonin-the-fraudulent-anti-depressant/
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[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 12:19:45 ago (+0/-0)
What is really bad about SSRIs is the long term cognitve penalties that they don’t tell you about.
Prozac slowly makes you stupid and forgetful. This is true of many psych drugs but benzos and SSRIs in particular.
I basically think the whole disease paradigm of mental illness is wrong. Depression is usually no more of a disease than red hair. Its just a trait. Its got plusses and minuses.
None of their pills do well long term at supressing its negative aspects.
[ + ] bobdole9
[ - ] bobdole9 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 12:03:42 ago (+0/-0)
It numbs you - never makes anything better.
Been there, done that...just another way to make (((pharma bucks))).
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[ + ] knightwarrior41
[ - ] knightwarrior41 [op] 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 25, 2022 09:31:05 ago (+0/-0)