Academia’s main concern is jewish social engineering. It started long ago with jew, Franz Boas and his team of marxist jews to rid universities of racial sciences. Now it ensures a communist voting block and specifically White women not reproducing in their child bearing years. Even a highly niche and specialized degree requires progressive electives.
I learned how to learn; like the actual process that works for me. One big part of that process is to learn about shit that interests you and fuck the rest.
I call it the communist madrassa. It is a system of ideological inculcation. Its a terrible to let jews in to your academy, because their agenda within an educational institution is totally different from ours. Their agenda is to control gentiles through ideological belief. Our agenda is to understand the true nature of the world somthat we can improve efficiency. These agendas are at odds. They (generally) have no allegiance to the truth except when its convenient.
Jesus... the more I read Ted's works, the more I realize he was right, well...about everything. I just wish he hadn't gone totally bug-nuts and bombed people. If he hadn't painted himself as a terrorist crazy, he could've been one of the most influential minds ever to grace American academia....
Jesus H. Christ, look at all the jew shills here. The very fact that these sheckelstiens are willing to write entire paragraphs to undermine Uncle Ted should tell you something...something blindingly obvious, like, no matter how crazy Ted is, he's on the right track.
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This post is clearly propaganda. Jordan Peterson has been excommunicated from academia for his dissenting voice. This slanderous post is itself evidence that he is seen as a threat by (((them))).
JBP is 100% a shill, you're just completely unaware and haven't bothered to look deeper behind the veneer his character portrays. why the fuck do you think he is so boosted on youtube and promoted for?
they have a problem with seeing anything, they're consistently the dumbest people on the right, regardless of the subject. it will always attract the sheep, those who want to be led.
They are sheep leading us to the slaughterhouse. Christianity is needed for jewish supremacy to thrive. Without it judaism would be a dead religion with no political or cultural power.
[ - ] Rob3122 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 20, 2022 16:23:19 ago (+1/-0)
Excellent post! Here's a video of Jordan Peterson explaining how Hitler was even more evil than what is already believed. (He actually believes in the holohoax).
He's even worse; he's controlled opposition masquerading as a role model for young Whites when he's covertly nothing more than a ziocucked anti-White shill. An amazing video on the subject — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXYuqrO8LLo — explains how he has always done everything in his power to counter White collectivism and racial awakening, all whilst bolstering jewish narratives and shitskins who seek to destroy our people.
Magic psychology replacement for Christianity; you don't have a soul, you have a subconscious, buy we can't find it on any scans either.
Whatever you're doing thinking and feeling is open to criticism by magic psychology to leave the definition of fault infinite, and the need to be improved permanent in the public sphere.
The religion that spawned the stunningly arrogant and shockingly bad idea that role models other than parental guidance would be dangled in front of faulty people and reprogram them.
The entire social science department is all kabbalah all the time and pure communism in the long term.
They are, like jews, unnecessary people who insinuate themselves and create their own fake necessity.
At best he is a kind of Platonist. Imagine the being that is at the top of every dominance hierarchy. For Jordan that is God, but the crucial thing to understand is that such a being is just another being among beings, even if it is the greatest possible. There is a chasm between this view and a Christian view of God that can't be overstated.
Which incidentally forms the basis for why many people in our circles cannot stand Jordan, or find him subversive, because Jordan is absolutely committed against turning over the existing hierarchy. For him, every weakness in man stems from his fear or inability to ascend the existing hierarchy. If you suggest destroying it because evil and corruption is endemic to it, he'll take the 'larger than life' route of citing complexity greater than any single human being within it can comprehend, i.e. you are full of childish pride if you aren't just working to climb the hierarchy, and instead are reasoning about why it would corrupt you to do so.
He's got no actual intellectual basis for rejecting the existing hierarchy because in the end he is a Hellenistic pagan. His ideas are just a recapitulation of some ancient Greek thinking, layered over by Jung's pantheistic metaphysics of the mind.
Furthermore, he is totally unprepared to question world Jewry, the Holocaust narrative or to apply any of his criticism levied against this dictator or that dictator to any of the Jewish undercurrents behind those very dictators. Jordan claims to have read every word Solzhenitsyn wrote, yet when confronted by a student at a live event about the latter's book 200 Years Together, Jordan stumbles over himself on stage before saying literally: "I can't do it."
What he 'couldn't do' was even utter the word Jew in the same breath as that which he used to discuss his so-called favorite authors' book about them. This and other melodramatic treatments of Holocaust tripe have shown Jordan is totally unwilling to question the nature of the existing hierarchy. Whoever has power has earned it. It matters not how one got there, all that matters is being at the top, because the Hierarchy itself purifies and legitimizes you - being there is the end in itself, which makes right whatever involves getting there. Consequently, any adversity you show to the dominators of the hierarchy is also unjustified rebellion, something Jordan will actually equate with Satanic impulse (even when Satanists, so to speak, are at the top).
For Jordan, dominance hierarchies are something metaphysical. They're more than human. He is some kind of purist about them, almost like the way Catholics are toward their Church magisterium. Nothing any human does (or all humans do) can override The Hierarchy, it always corrects our errors. He refuses to grapple with the fact that hierarchies can be gamed, taken over and corrupted to their core.
So what you’re saying is, Jordan Peterson likes lobster.
Thats an interesting take. Not sure Im in agreement about the christian view of god NOT being at the top off a dominance hierarchy.
But this is a good observation that he is very invested in an establishment hierarchy which he feels is overwhelmingly good and based on merit and good posture. Im for decapitating the hierarchy, and also for chopping off its feet, and for creating a new hierarchy with the people in the middle. Based on how clean their rooms are.
In principle, I think a hierarchy is a natural necessity, and I am not against hierarchy per se. The problem comes, I think, when one equates the hierarchies humans make in the world with divinity itself. For Jordan, the hierarchy is not super-natural, but it is trans-natural. It applies to every domain of existence, from lobsters all the way up. No matter what you think you want to do with the world to correct it, your first job is to ascend to the top of the hierarchy because this process, in itself, is salvific, it is purifying, and until one has done so he lacks the kind of purified being that can even know anything about how to correct the world. In other words, those who dominate the world have a 'connection to God' you can't comprehend and so their actions will always look alien to you - of course, he isn't saying this outright, but it is directly a consequence of his views.
This actually relates to his pagan and non-Christian view of God. He can't separate God from creation - God is just a part of the natural world. The difference between such a pagan view and a Christian one is that the latter keeps a metaphysical distinction between God and nature. God is not at the top of any hierarchy, because God is beyond all hierarchies or all hierarchical considerations, God is the ground of all being, not merely the greatest being among beings.
This is what causes Jordan to fall short of making the Christian leap, since if one does that, he will think differently about the nature of hierarchy. The FORM of the hierarchy is perfect, but the actual instantiation of any hierarchy is imperfect. And that means they are not always good, not always purifying and correcting. They can be downright evil.
God is beyond all hierarchies or all hierarchical considerations, God is the ground of all being, not merely the greatest being among beings.
You would say something like that! ;-)
I don’t know what the “real” christian view of god is on this subject. I defer to your grasp of Catholic theology utterly. But for most everyday christians, I just think that, psychologically, God is just the guy in charge, who is more powerful than your mom or dad, or any king or president. And you better do what he wants or you will go to the bad place.
I think this idea of god may have kept some real psychos from getting to arrogant. And those psychos are mostly atheists now. Problem.
I actually think that the “solution” to the hierarchy problem is to realize we can never get rid of the hierarchy of power (competition) but to squish the hierarchy so that there is a smaller disparity between the top and the bottom. This has the effect of “slowing” evolution by disincentivizing aggressive competition like exploitation.
You will say the point of the hierarchy is to serve God or something to that effect. I think the point is to become better at understanding the universe, so ideally people at the top should be smarter and more truthful .
The real Christian view by my lights existed mostly prior to the Enlightenment; humanist ideology changed a lot of things. I'd agree with you completely that the modern view of most Christians is just abysmal. To be sure, the powers that be have been aided by this, and atheism has as well, although I might even say that the quality of atheist thought has tanked even harder than Christian thought. New atheism was an absolute embarrassment to the western intellectual tradition. Graham Oppy is about the only contemporary atheist I really follow, and I have massive respect for him.
Anyway, I agree that we can't get rid of the hierarchy. I don't know that the solution is to truncate it. Imagine a kind of medieval, feudal hierarchy underneath some lineal kingship. Granted, one could always kill the king, but short of that, I almost want to say that these hierarchies with greater disparity produced more stability, not less. But stability is not the same as overall wellbeing and flourishing - we're always trying to balance those things right?
If the summit of power is a shorter climb, I'd think this might increase the degree of dogged competition. Consider the United States gov. It effectively remodeled the hierarchy. You crunch down a lot of the middle levels until you get a congress of 'lords'. You take the peak - the president - and pull it off the top and situate it right alongside the congress (I'm ignoring the SC for simplicity). Checks and balances are supposed to balance power between these now equal segments of government.
I think that the hope your average person had of being a nobleman in the medieval period (if he was born star crossed, say) was less than the hopes your ordinary person today has of elevating himself to higher levels of power. The probability might still be quite low absolutely, but in relative terms, I think a person could become a local politician, then a state politician, and finally a federal one with greater ease than a pauper would have had becoming a lord.
Has this scrunching down of the hierarchy helped? If you wanted to say that it has remained just as stratified despite becoming shorter in terms of levels, then this can only be because it is just as easy to establish barriers in this new form than it was in older forms.
After that, I want to say that visibility and accountability becomes paramount. I think the less people there are to watch, the easier it is to maintain accountability. Our hierarchy has gotten shorter from the top-down, but it has ballooned in width and complexity in its bureaucracy. At least in older periods, you could have a Braveheart situation. You knew the lords. You knew the king. Just go kill them if you can. Today, we've got a monster of formality with a lot of moving parts that it seems impossible to really change. I guess that makes it stable in a way older forms weren't, as I've just said the older forms were more stable. I'm contradicting myself. But how? I want to say simpler is easier to manage but radical changes are more catastrophic (kill the king and the whole thing falls); whereas more complex is more difficult to manage (corruption can hide more easily), but radical changes have less ripple effects on the whole.
Right now, I wish the structure was simpler. Because it feels like the powers that be have realized people are easier to control when there are catastrophic changes, so they're just going to lead us toward one anyway. So take your pick, the system with catastrophic change intrinsic in it, or the system that's too stable and just incentivizes the powers to create extrinsic catastrophe. Fuck it. I'm retarded. What do I know.
I might even say that the quality of atheist thought has tanked even harder than Christian thought.
Nice point. The quality of atheists goes down as it becomes more mainstream.
This is how I see it. At the bottom of the hierarchy you have alot of useless people, blacks, mexicans, low IQ types, drug addicts, common criminals, unwilling or unable to to contribute.
Then you have a lot of middle or working class folks who are the real “essential workers”, they produce most of the wealth.
Then you have an increasingly large group of bureaucrats who are very well trained to do work which is increasingly worthless or at least highly subjective in value, and we are forced to pay them.
Then at the top you have the total parasites, master manipulators of cultural information. These people are born exploiters. These folks tend to rise and fall in success historically, depending on the political environment. But now is a very good time for them. I refer to these people as jews. But they definitely are not all jews. And all jews are not them. I think of them as high IQ criminals but they control the law so what they do is technically not crime but exploitation.
The top and bottom of this pyramid need constant pruning to eliminate the people who live exploitively off others. Neither of these groups are producing anything right now. They live off disinformation.
The top of the hierarchy claims it is just, intelligent, compassionate, duly elected, increasing prosperity, saviors of mankind, acquired their power honestly, etc. None of that is true. No one comes by a billion dollars by being a good person. No one become CEO or Senator by being a good person. The only path to that position is lying and cheating.
We must prevent the people at the top and bottom from reproducing. It doesnt matter how. Execution or hysterectomies and vasectomies. Their children will be just like them. The cycle must end.
At least in older periods, you could have a Braveheart situation
That was just trading one psycho for another. I think the corrupt ruling class is inhabited by two subtypes, warlords and priests. These were the two roles through which a high IQ scumbag could enslave the populace. White elites tend to descend from warlord types and jewish elites tend to be more priestly in their control of the masses.
Anyway if you theoretically culled the most powerful 10,000 people in the world and their kids/grandkids/sibs etc. you wold instantly make the world a better place. If you keep doing that, you will get diminishing returns. The next 10,000 will be about as intelligent but less dishonest. We have created niches for the most dishonest people to thrive. No one deserves to be 1 million times more powerful/wealthy than the average person. That can only be achieved theough exploitation. It is certainly not achieved by being 1 million times more virtuous, or intelligent or otherwise meritorious. Therefore one must conclude that everyone with this level of power is a criminal. They create alliances with other opportunists like drug addicts, sluts, niggers, foreigners to loot the rule followers. So yes I think scrunching down the hierarchy removes incentive for these cheats to become fabulously powerful.
I came to understand the importance of eliminating large power disparities because I was always thinking about that polygamy /monogamy stuff and I realized that when males are able to have 100 children by murdering and enslaving other males, they do. The fact the cold climates prevented this sort of reproductive strategy from succeeding is why white men tend to be more honest/cooperative/intelligent— scrunching the reproductive hierarchy. There was stilll competition but less rando murder.
Today, we've got a monster of formality with a lot of moving parts that it seems impossible to really change...Right now, I wish the structure was simpler. Because it feels like the powers that be have realized people are easier to control when there are catastrophic changes,
Once all trust in the system is gone by the people who produce tangible wealth, watch all that complex bureacracy get real simple. Its a ponzi scheme. The bureacracy is dead weight most of the jobs today are fake.
I see your points but I've often wondered if he isn't playing a pretty sophisticated game of brinksmanship and subversion? Let me explain...
You are right that he blanches at naming the J but has anyone done more to bring Solzhenistyn back into the Normie Zeitgeist? Once you have those books in your head, or at least in your awareness, its a very short jump to understanding The Holodomor, why it happened, and who was responsible. That leads down a pretty damning path for "our greatest allies".
Also, I really struggle with any religion goes hard on the doctrine because for ages I found the stories to be so transparently fake and gay. But his obsession with Jung and the way he explains it eventually brought me around in so far as I may not buy into the stories being literally true but I now can appreciate that the stories 1) need to be able to resonate with folks from -2stddev all the way out to +2stddev and 2) the "meta-narrative" -- I think that's the term he uses for it -- is what matters most. The literal believers are still getting the meta narrative...just in a way that works for their "resolution" (another term he uses) of thinking.
Some folks find his expressed beliefs as to proper masculinity to be milquetoast but you can't go from where we are to Everyman-a-Viking-Warrior. Incrementalism is how we got here and its likely the way out of this.
Perhaps the recent snuggling up to the Talmuds is a way to rebuild some trust capital which can be spent during his next phase? Whatever the might be?
I don't know...I feel like his influence has been net-positive and folks are too quick pass judgement based on an incomplete view of were he/we started with all of this.
It depends on what day you catch me, really. On the whole, I'd rather live the world, all else equal, that has Jordan in it. As you've said, I think he has softened people to the point of assenting to the kind of worldview I'd prefer they had (because it would be authentically better for them), even if I don't take Jordan to be the 'taxi' that's going to get them all the way there.
On another day, I could make a case that he is actually doing worse for us in that regard.
In the end it is difficult to say because, of course, I'm speaking about Jordan without knowing Jordan. Only Jordan knows what he is really doing. We have to work with the public-facing evidence. The complaints I levied above are legitimate, imo, but one can find fault with just about any public figure in a leadership role. If people are situating Jordan's import the way they ought to (meaning how anyone should situate the value of a public intellectual), then we'd not have much to worry about. There's always some slight worry when a so-called academic gains a following like his. The last public intellectual of a similar status was Noam Chomsky...well, I'll leave that for you to judge.
I agree, fake and gay myths are highly useful to propogate rules or behavioral standards the helpus to live and work together. Do the rules or tenets these stories promote lead to the success of a society? That’s what is important.
I don’t think he’s biding his time though until he accumulates enough cultural currency to start dropping J-pills. I don’t think he is secretly J-aware.
Peterson isn’t a threat, but he’s still a zionist gatekeeper. All the (((problems))) he discusses with young men are a direct result of jews. The guy is either a naive, abrahamic faith believer or doesn’t want to stop the money flowing in. If it’s the latter, he’s a disingenuous piece of shit.
the retard who believes in a magic deity projecting his mental gymnastics on phycology as "magic," lacking self-awareness
The application of phycology today is a jew institution with all their sedative medications to turn the population into the walking dead, but there more merit to it than anything written in the bible. Hearing a Christian devalue psychology as "magic" is like hearing a bigfoot believer tell a biologist he's wrong.
Again I'm not saying the kikes havn't overrun the science of psychology for profit, but to dismiss it all at hokey bullshit is throwing the baby out with the bath water, however nothing in the bible is provable hence the term "faith" if any of it was provable or factual it would not require blind faith.
I don’t know. The “science” of christian salvation is often very systematic and even logical at times, depending on the sect. Even though I disbelieve the core assertions like “there is a god “ and “jesus is his son” there is a lot of useful stuff in it about human behavior and managing groups in a cooperative way, The same can be said of psychology, but it too has nonsensical underpinings. Someone who is violent and lacks compassion has a disease? Nonsense. Humans have 5 dimensions of personality? Maybe, if only 5 genes determine personality! Talking at someone with negative emotions can “cure “ them and make them socially successful? Never seen it work any better than a religious rite.
The fact is, I went in to therapy with what I now in retrospect view as blind religious faith, looking for salvation. Because that was what was promised. I assure you it was never delivered. Ive never seen it delivered to anyone else either. Its a religion. They have no idea how personality is implemented. They don’t have a scientific view of human behavior. I can design a doubleblind randomized controlled experiment on whether the sacrament of confession delivers a state of grace in its recipients, I can make it all science-y and statistical looking. It doesn’t make christianity true. Psychology is pseudoscience. Its a religion.
You have faith in statistics I'm sure, and will fight for the faith. You have no proof of ANY merit to "phycology" or psychology, but you have faith and want to defend your blind faith. That mealy mouthed Maybe not all of it but but but.. is childish.
You have faith in many things you think are fact, everyone does, but you're too obtuse and close minded to see it.
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When has Peterson challenged jews? He’s friends with kike Shapiro. I will call out anyone with an allegiance to jewish supremacy.
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Magic psychology replacement for Christianity; you don't have a soul, you have a subconscious, buy we can't find it on any scans either.
Whatever you're doing thinking and feeling is open to criticism by magic psychology to leave the definition of fault infinite, and the need to be improved permanent in the public sphere.
The religion that spawned the stunningly arrogant and shockingly bad idea that role models other than parental guidance would be dangled in front of faulty people and reprogram them.
The entire social science department is all kabbalah all the time and pure communism in the long term.
They are, like jews, unnecessary people who insinuate themselves and create their own fake necessity.
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He’s clearly some kind of abrahamic faith believer. He’s hosted numerous seminars on the book of genesis over the years as well.
Here he is crying over Christ.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=VbVwV8_TEkM
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Which incidentally forms the basis for why many people in our circles cannot stand Jordan, or find him subversive, because Jordan is absolutely committed against turning over the existing hierarchy. For him, every weakness in man stems from his fear or inability to ascend the existing hierarchy. If you suggest destroying it because evil and corruption is endemic to it, he'll take the 'larger than life' route of citing complexity greater than any single human being within it can comprehend, i.e. you are full of childish pride if you aren't just working to climb the hierarchy, and instead are reasoning about why it would corrupt you to do so.
He's got no actual intellectual basis for rejecting the existing hierarchy because in the end he is a Hellenistic pagan. His ideas are just a recapitulation of some ancient Greek thinking, layered over by Jung's pantheistic metaphysics of the mind.
Furthermore, he is totally unprepared to question world Jewry, the Holocaust narrative or to apply any of his criticism levied against this dictator or that dictator to any of the Jewish undercurrents behind those very dictators. Jordan claims to have read every word Solzhenitsyn wrote, yet when confronted by a student at a live event about the latter's book 200 Years Together, Jordan stumbles over himself on stage before saying literally: "I can't do it."
What he 'couldn't do' was even utter the word Jew in the same breath as that which he used to discuss his so-called favorite authors' book about them. This and other melodramatic treatments of Holocaust tripe have shown Jordan is totally unwilling to question the nature of the existing hierarchy. Whoever has power has earned it. It matters not how one got there, all that matters is being at the top, because the Hierarchy itself purifies and legitimizes you - being there is the end in itself, which makes right whatever involves getting there. Consequently, any adversity you show to the dominators of the hierarchy is also unjustified rebellion, something Jordan will actually equate with Satanic impulse (even when Satanists, so to speak, are at the top).
For Jordan, dominance hierarchies are something metaphysical. They're more than human. He is some kind of purist about them, almost like the way Catholics are toward their Church magisterium. Nothing any human does (or all humans do) can override The Hierarchy, it always corrects our errors. He refuses to grapple with the fact that hierarchies can be gamed, taken over and corrupted to their core.
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Thats an interesting take. Not sure Im in agreement about the christian view of god NOT being at the top off a dominance hierarchy.
But this is a good observation that he is very invested in an establishment hierarchy which he feels is overwhelmingly good and based on merit and good posture. Im for decapitating the hierarchy, and also for chopping off its feet, and for creating a new hierarchy with the people in the middle. Based on how clean their rooms are.
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This actually relates to his pagan and non-Christian view of God. He can't separate God from creation - God is just a part of the natural world. The difference between such a pagan view and a Christian one is that the latter keeps a metaphysical distinction between God and nature. God is not at the top of any hierarchy, because God is beyond all hierarchies or all hierarchical considerations, God is the ground of all being, not merely the greatest being among beings.
This is what causes Jordan to fall short of making the Christian leap, since if one does that, he will think differently about the nature of hierarchy. The FORM of the hierarchy is perfect, but the actual instantiation of any hierarchy is imperfect. And that means they are not always good, not always purifying and correcting. They can be downright evil.
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You would say something like that! ;-)
I don’t know what the “real” christian view of god is on this subject. I defer to your grasp of Catholic theology utterly. But for most everyday christians, I just think that, psychologically, God is just the guy in charge, who is more powerful than your mom or dad, or any king or president. And you better do what he wants or you will go to the bad place.
I think this idea of god may have kept some real psychos from getting to arrogant. And those psychos are mostly atheists now. Problem.
I actually think that the “solution” to the hierarchy problem is to realize we can never get rid of the hierarchy of power (competition) but to squish the hierarchy so that there is a smaller disparity between the top and the bottom. This has the effect of “slowing” evolution by disincentivizing aggressive competition like exploitation.
You will say the point of the hierarchy is to serve God or something to that effect. I think the point is to become better at understanding the universe, so ideally people at the top should be smarter and more truthful .
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[ - ] CHIRO 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 20, 2022 14:50:06 ago (+0/-0)
The real Christian view by my lights existed mostly prior to the Enlightenment; humanist ideology changed a lot of things. I'd agree with you completely that the modern view of most Christians is just abysmal. To be sure, the powers that be have been aided by this, and atheism has as well, although I might even say that the quality of atheist thought has tanked even harder than Christian thought. New atheism was an absolute embarrassment to the western intellectual tradition. Graham Oppy is about the only contemporary atheist I really follow, and I have massive respect for him.
Anyway, I agree that we can't get rid of the hierarchy. I don't know that the solution is to truncate it. Imagine a kind of medieval, feudal hierarchy underneath some lineal kingship. Granted, one could always kill the king, but short of that, I almost want to say that these hierarchies with greater disparity produced more stability, not less. But stability is not the same as overall wellbeing and flourishing - we're always trying to balance those things right?
If the summit of power is a shorter climb, I'd think this might increase the degree of dogged competition. Consider the United States gov. It effectively remodeled the hierarchy. You crunch down a lot of the middle levels until you get a congress of 'lords'. You take the peak - the president - and pull it off the top and situate it right alongside the congress (I'm ignoring the SC for simplicity). Checks and balances are supposed to balance power between these now equal segments of government.
I think that the hope your average person had of being a nobleman in the medieval period (if he was born star crossed, say) was less than the hopes your ordinary person today has of elevating himself to higher levels of power. The probability might still be quite low absolutely, but in relative terms, I think a person could become a local politician, then a state politician, and finally a federal one with greater ease than a pauper would have had becoming a lord.
Has this scrunching down of the hierarchy helped? If you wanted to say that it has remained just as stratified despite becoming shorter in terms of levels, then this can only be because it is just as easy to establish barriers in this new form than it was in older forms.
After that, I want to say that visibility and accountability becomes paramount. I think the less people there are to watch, the easier it is to maintain accountability. Our hierarchy has gotten shorter from the top-down, but it has ballooned in width and complexity in its bureaucracy. At least in older periods, you could have a Braveheart situation. You knew the lords. You knew the king. Just go kill them if you can. Today, we've got a monster of formality with a lot of moving parts that it seems impossible to really change. I guess that makes it stable in a way older forms weren't, as I've just said the older forms were more stable. I'm contradicting myself. But how? I want to say simpler is easier to manage but radical changes are more catastrophic (kill the king and the whole thing falls); whereas more complex is more difficult to manage (corruption can hide more easily), but radical changes have less ripple effects on the whole.
Right now, I wish the structure was simpler. Because it feels like the powers that be have realized people are easier to control when there are catastrophic changes, so they're just going to lead us toward one anyway. So take your pick, the system with catastrophic change intrinsic in it, or the system that's too stable and just incentivizes the powers to create extrinsic catastrophe. Fuck it. I'm retarded. What do I know.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 20, 2022 16:25:24 ago (+1/-0)
Nice point. The quality of atheists goes down as it becomes more mainstream.
This is how I see it. At the bottom of the hierarchy you have alot of useless people, blacks, mexicans, low IQ types, drug addicts, common criminals, unwilling or unable to to contribute.
Then you have a lot of middle or working class folks who are the real “essential workers”, they produce most of the wealth.
Then you have an increasingly large group of bureaucrats who are very well trained to do work which is increasingly worthless or at least highly subjective in value, and we are forced to pay them.
Then at the top you have the total parasites, master manipulators of cultural information. These people are born exploiters. These folks tend to rise and fall in success historically, depending on the political environment. But now is a very good time for them. I refer to these people as jews. But they definitely are not all jews. And all jews are not them. I think of them as high IQ criminals but they control the law so what they do is technically not crime but exploitation.
The top and bottom of this pyramid need constant pruning to eliminate the people who live exploitively off others. Neither of these groups are producing anything right now. They live off disinformation.
The top of the hierarchy claims it is just, intelligent, compassionate, duly elected, increasing prosperity, saviors of mankind, acquired their power honestly, etc. None of that is true. No one comes by a billion dollars by being a good person. No one become CEO or Senator by being a good person. The only path to that position is lying and cheating.
We must prevent the people at the top and bottom from reproducing. It doesnt matter how. Execution or hysterectomies and vasectomies. Their children will be just like them. The cycle must end.
That was just trading one psycho for another. I think the corrupt ruling class is inhabited by two subtypes, warlords and priests. These were the two roles through which a high IQ scumbag could enslave the populace. White elites tend to descend from warlord types and jewish elites tend to be more priestly in their control of the masses.
Anyway if you theoretically culled the most powerful 10,000 people in the world and their kids/grandkids/sibs etc. you wold instantly make the world a better place. If you keep doing that, you will get diminishing returns. The next 10,000 will be about as intelligent but less dishonest. We have created niches for the most dishonest people to thrive. No one deserves to be 1 million times more powerful/wealthy than the average person. That can only be achieved theough exploitation. It is certainly not achieved by being 1 million times more virtuous, or intelligent or otherwise meritorious. Therefore one must conclude that everyone with this level of power is a criminal. They create alliances with other opportunists like drug addicts, sluts, niggers, foreigners to loot the rule followers. So yes I think scrunching down the hierarchy removes incentive for these cheats to become fabulously powerful.
I came to understand the importance of eliminating large power disparities because I was always thinking about that polygamy /monogamy stuff and I realized that when males are able to have 100 children by murdering and enslaving other males, they do. The fact the cold climates prevented this sort of reproductive strategy from succeeding is why white men tend to be more honest/cooperative/intelligent— scrunching the reproductive hierarchy. There was stilll competition but less rando murder.
Once all trust in the system is gone by the people who produce tangible wealth, watch all that complex bureacracy get real simple. Its a ponzi scheme. The bureacracy is dead weight most of the jobs today are fake.
[ + ] chrimony
[ - ] chrimony 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 20, 2022 18:25:55 ago (+0/-0)
The tyranny of mediocrity. The communist utopia.
[ + ] dassar
[ - ] dassar 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 20, 2022 18:47:09 ago (+1/-0)
I would like to add 'Eviscerating the bowels and pulverising it's spinal column'.
[ + ] UncleDoug
[ - ] UncleDoug 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 21, 2022 14:49:25 ago (+0/-0)
Dominance hierarchy; it really is quicker just saying lobster.
[ + ] aer9ERub
[ - ] aer9ERub 2 points 1.8 yearsJul 20, 2022 15:55:52 ago (+2/-0)
You are right that he blanches at naming the J but has anyone done more to bring Solzhenistyn back into the Normie Zeitgeist? Once you have those books in your head, or at least in your awareness, its a very short jump to understanding The Holodomor, why it happened, and who was responsible. That leads down a pretty damning path for "our greatest allies".
Also, I really struggle with any religion goes hard on the doctrine because for ages I found the stories to be so transparently fake and gay. But his obsession with Jung and the way he explains it eventually brought me around in so far as I may not buy into the stories being literally true but I now can appreciate that the stories 1) need to be able to resonate with folks from -2stddev all the way out to +2stddev and 2) the "meta-narrative" -- I think that's the term he uses for it -- is what matters most. The literal believers are still getting the meta narrative...just in a way that works for their "resolution" (another term he uses) of thinking.
Some folks find his expressed beliefs as to proper masculinity to be milquetoast but you can't go from where we are to Everyman-a-Viking-Warrior. Incrementalism is how we got here and its likely the way out of this.
Perhaps the recent snuggling up to the Talmuds is a way to rebuild some trust capital which can be spent during his next phase? Whatever the might be?
I don't know...I feel like his influence has been net-positive and folks are too quick pass judgement based on an incomplete view of were he/we started with all of this.
[ + ] CHIRO
[ - ] CHIRO 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 21, 2022 00:17:11 ago (+0/-0)
On another day, I could make a case that he is actually doing worse for us in that regard.
In the end it is difficult to say because, of course, I'm speaking about Jordan without knowing Jordan. Only Jordan knows what he is really doing. We have to work with the public-facing evidence. The complaints I levied above are legitimate, imo, but one can find fault with just about any public figure in a leadership role. If people are situating Jordan's import the way they ought to (meaning how anyone should situate the value of a public intellectual), then we'd not have much to worry about. There's always some slight worry when a so-called academic gains a following like his. The last public intellectual of a similar status was Noam Chomsky...well, I'll leave that for you to judge.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 21, 2022 15:53:03 ago (+0/-0)
I don’t think he’s biding his time though until he accumulates enough cultural currency to start dropping J-pills. I don’t think he is secretly J-aware.
[ + ] deleted
[ - ] deleted 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 20, 2022 18:09:29 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 20, 2022 07:53:38 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] NationalSocialism
[ - ] NationalSocialism [op] 3 points 1.8 yearsJul 20, 2022 08:02:37 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 20, 2022 10:22:23 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] NationalSocialism
[ - ] NationalSocialism [op] 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 20, 2022 16:19:20 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] goatfugee12
[ - ] goatfugee12 3 points 1.8 yearsJul 20, 2022 10:33:24 ago (+3/-0)
The application of phycology today is a jew institution with all their sedative medications to turn the population into the walking dead, but there more merit to it than anything written in the bible. Hearing a Christian devalue psychology as "magic" is like hearing a bigfoot believer tell a biologist he's wrong.
Again I'm not saying the kikes havn't overrun the science of psychology for profit, but to dismiss it all at hokey bullshit is throwing the baby out with the bath water, however nothing in the bible is provable hence the term "faith" if any of it was provable or factual it would not require blind faith.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 20, 2022 11:05:23 ago (+1/-0)*
The fact is, I went in to therapy with what I now in retrospect view as blind religious faith, looking for salvation. Because that was what was promised. I assure you it was never delivered. Ive never seen it delivered to anyone else either. Its a religion. They have no idea how personality is implemented. They don’t have a scientific view of human behavior. I can design a doubleblind randomized controlled experiment on whether the sacrament of confession delivers a state of grace in its recipients, I can make it all science-y and statistical looking. It doesn’t make christianity true. Psychology is pseudoscience. Its a religion.
[ + ] yesiknow
[ - ] yesiknow 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 21, 2022 00:48:13 ago (+0/-0)
You have faith in statistics I'm sure, and will fight for the faith. You have no proof of ANY merit to "phycology" or psychology, but you have faith and want to defend your blind faith. That mealy mouthed Maybe not all of it but but but.. is childish.
You have faith in many things you think are fact, everyone does, but you're too obtuse and close minded to see it.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 20, 2022 07:52:47 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] LalixPrincex
[ - ] LalixPrincex -1 points 1.8 yearsJul 20, 2022 17:22:04 ago (+1/-2)
Jordan Peterson is far more of a rebel of the system than Ted Kazinski is.
Matter of fact, he is fighting Academia and the demons that have hijacked and the tyrants far more efficiently.
Not only he is suing universities, he has accused universities that they have commited far more than just one unforgiven sin.
Including forcing people into mortgaging their futures in hopes for a better one and comparing it to slavery.
[ + ] dassar
[ - ] dassar 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 20, 2022 18:48:25 ago (+0/-0)
Wahahaha ....