I send them questions from email accounts which are not associated with my real name. Here is an example that I sent to an officer designated as being in charge of the secondary employment department of my local PD. " Do you maintain records of all instances of Secondary employment of xxPD employees? Are officers required to report all instances of their secondary employment activity to the department? If an officer is employed by a secondary private source are they required to recuse themselves from any incident involving that secondary employer in an official capacity?" He responded by asking me my name and the company I represented. Imagine the shit stirring that occurred by simply asking questions. I guarantee they are asking all their piglets if they handled an issue from a business that had hired them off duty. I imagine that it will also result in further procedures added to their code of conduct. I will wait at least 4 days before I respond and ask him what my name has to do with his ability to answer my questions.
That's pretty good. Instead of responding defensively (which kind of gives you away) I suggest you just say "I'm a member of a watchdog/investigative group." Or something to that effect without naming yourself or the group. Short and sweet and then immediately go back to "What is the department's on-record response?"
I have a follow up. Apparently the officer in charge of secondary employment was unable or unwilling to articulate the police department's policy and referred me to their department of public affairs. I emailed the department head of public affairs indicating that the officer in charge of secondary employment was not capable of articulating department policy and repeating the same three questions. This time I copied a local investigative reporter to the communication. If the department of public affairs does not answer I will continue to escalate until I involve the Chief of police's office and city council members. If I have to continue sending emails I will copy the SBI and the State's department of Justice.
Public Affairs did not answer, so I contacted the Chief of police. I copy investigative jounalists and or city council members to these email. The Chief replied. He stated that the department does maintain lists and officers are required to report secondary employment. He further stated that the did not have to recuse themselves because although officers are employed by another party, they have the same responsibilities as if they were on duty. So, they should not ignore illegal activity by or from an employer. He then asked me if I had an issue with an officer and that he would refer me to internal affairs. I replied suggesting that a policy be established directing any officer that currently has, or had in the past, secondary employment with any entity remove themselves from leading any investigation where the plaintiff or defendant has hired them in any capacity. In an ideal situation even knowing someone beyond an acquaintance degree should be reason to pass the lead over to another officer. Even if the officer believes they are following department policy and following the law correctly the appearance of impropriety or bias is raised and can hurt both them and the department in a legal case. Attorneys will question prospective jurors and witnesses as to their relationship to defendant, plaintiff, witnesses, and opposing counsel.
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In a way, we all are part of said group. Gotta love the modern era of connectivity.
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Just imagine how many pedophiles they have helped because they took an oath to defend their brotherhood!!
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I replied suggesting that a policy be established directing any officer that currently has, or had in the past, secondary employment with any entity remove themselves from leading any investigation where the plaintiff or defendant has hired them in any capacity. In an ideal situation even knowing someone beyond an acquaintance degree should be reason to pass the lead over to another officer. Even if the officer believes they are following department policy and following the law correctly the appearance of impropriety or bias is raised and can hurt both them and the department in a legal case. Attorneys will question prospective jurors and witnesses as to their relationship to defendant, plaintiff, witnesses, and opposing counsel.
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