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[ - ] deleted 0 points 1.8 yearsAug 15, 2022 14:46:05 ago (+0/-0)

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[ - ] HughBriss 7 points 1.8 yearsJul 16, 2022 10:23:07 ago (+7/-0)

Most of you posting here have no idea what you're talking about. Tolkien and his friend C.S. Lewis watched Disney movies at the theater when they came out, and while they admired the animation, they were disgusted by the infantilization of themes they took very seriously. Myth, mythos, legend, etc. were all bound up in their writing, and Disney took these old stories and made them vulgar.

You all should really read this article. It explains it thoroughly here:

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/tolkien-cs-lewis-disney-snow-white-narnia-hobbit-dwarves

[ - ] the_noticer 6 points 1.8 yearsJul 16, 2022 06:05:17 ago (+6/-0)

and now that kikes own both, we can all be nauseated

[ - ] ThisGuy 2 points 1.8 yearsJul 16, 2022 07:41:36 ago (+2/-0)

Walt wasn't the problem. The (((people who came to control after his death))) were.

[ - ] didyouknow 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 16, 2022 07:50:48 ago (+2/-1)

Walt wasn't squeaky clean either, he was into the occult.

[ - ] ThisGuy 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 16, 2022 07:54:28 ago (+1/-0)

Define "into".

[ - ] didyouknow 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 16, 2022 08:03:05 ago (+1/-1)

He was an occultist.

[ - ] ThisGuy 2 points 1.8 yearsJul 16, 2022 08:31:07 ago (+4/-2)

The same can be said of christians.

[ - ] FacelessOne 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 16, 2022 17:27:58 ago (+0/-0)

Have you never watched Fantasia?

[ - ] AdolfHitler 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 19, 2022 01:05:17 ago (+0/-0)

They said the same bs about Hitler. Next he did meth too right?

[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker -1 points 1.8 yearsJul 16, 2022 09:48:27 ago (+1/-2)

Which is why he released Pinocchio, which is about opening your pineal gland (occhio = open, pin = pineal gland). The first step is to stop lying like those long noses. The second step is to learn to handle the long nosed circus animals in clown world.

Pretty based as occultists go. He wasn't sacrificing kids to Moloch, he was trying to help people raise their spiritual awareness so they could see through the lies of the Moloch worshippers.

[ - ] HughBriss 3 points 1.8 yearsJul 16, 2022 10:16:35 ago (+3/-0)*

Pinocchio: pino = pine, occhio = eye
Means "pine eye". You can't just make your point by making stuff up or guessing at it.

[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 16, 2022 13:44:36 ago (+1/-0)

It can mean open or eye, if it's used to mean eye then it mean's mind's eye. Either way, the movie was released in 1940 in the hopes of getting Americans to stop listening to jewish lies.

[ - ] lord_nougat 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 16, 2022 13:30:59 ago (+1/-0)

...and still are.

[ - ] lord_nougat 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 16, 2022 13:30:00 ago (+1/-0)

Just think what he'd have to say now!

[ - ] deleted 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 16, 2022 12:13:48 ago (+1/-0)

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[ - ] SecretHitler 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 16, 2022 09:43:50 ago (+1/-0)

What is this from? Walt was pretty based so I'd like to know what exactly he had a problem with because I like Tolkien too.

[ - ] Fascinus 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 16, 2022 09:07:56 ago (+1/-0)

Based.

[ - ] YamaMaya 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 16, 2022 07:14:55 ago (+1/-0)

Hed have been alive the same time as Walt, walt didnt let his creation turn to ruin his successors did.

[ - ] Crackinjokes 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 16, 2022 19:08:12 ago (+0/-0)

What kind of a name is Disney?

Seriously.

What's the lineage?

[ - ] mainstreamsneeze 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 16, 2022 11:59:25 ago (+0/-0)

No one mentioned Tolkien philosemitism, he loved the jews to the point of calling them a 'gifted people' and him wishing to be part of them.
Maybe that is exaggerated by the kikes to 'own' a beloved White writer but he eat all the pre and post ww2 anti-Nazi propaganda.

[ - ] PearofAnguishJuniorManager 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 16, 2022 11:50:00 ago (+0/-0)

Fun fact about Tolkien, he thought what he wrote was real. He claimed he found an ancient book in a library in a language no one could read. But he claims to have figured it out. It was a history book about a pre-ice age European culture and that he just retold this true story thru his stories.

Obviously, he’s full of it. If he really believes that he’s saying then I wouldn’t put much stock into his opinion on Disney, as he doesn’t have both his oars in the water.

[ - ] HughBriss 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 16, 2022 12:32:36 ago (+0/-0)

That's a bold claim, and personally I don't believe it. Can you cite a source for that?

[ - ] PearofAnguishJuniorManager 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 16, 2022 15:02:04 ago (+0/-0)

https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2021/02/25.06-MU-Podcast-Tolkien-8217-s-Hidden-Truth/

This podcasts cites the sources.

I don’t believe Tolkiens story either. His books are fantasy. I don’t think it’s unlikely that a guy that constantly dreamed up fantasy stories wouldn’t make up a little story for himself. There are legions of D&D nerds running around that thinks the sun rises and sets from Tolkiens pants and would swallow anything Tolkien said.

[ - ] HughBriss 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 16, 2022 16:20:45 ago (+0/-0)*

Their source is some guy named Robert Kearney, whose only known publication is Twitter and other social media. Your link to Mysterious Universe is a pay site, so I found a free location. I'll give it a listen later, but frankly it all sounds like hogwash, especially since the tags at MU for that podcast include aliens, extraterrestrials, UFO, and worst of all Steven Greer. They might as well tie in tarot and the Priory of Sion.

His books are fantasy

Well, imagine that. Well ... DUUUUUH! Of course it's fantasy. He was writing proto-myth, not literal history. He was very clear about that. I'm sure you've read some of his work, so you must be aware of that.

[ - ] PearofAnguishJuniorManager 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 17, 2022 11:47:49 ago (+0/-0)*

He wasn’t ‘very clear’ about his books being fantasy/proto-myth, if he was running around telling his pals that it was real.

I might be doxing myself here, but I once worked on a video game based off of the Tolkien IP. I was forced-FORCED, I tell you to read all of his shit, but especially the book that pertained to the little piece of the saga that we were trying to tell. The Tolkien family are bums that live off the works of their grand-dad. They have a guy that is the biggest Tolkien fanboy nerd that ever lived. He knew every bit of Tolkien trivia there was to know, and he was imbedded in our studio as a source…. But really it was to keep us from straying one bit from the Tolkien version.

He shut down a lot of petty shit, like loin cloths on our trolls. Later the movie would come out and I saw loin cloths on trolls; so wtf? He just kind of hung around. The worst thing you wanted to see when you had a lot of work to do, was this guy bored and darkening your doorway. No matter what the subject, he would turn it around to some Tolkien trivia and bloviate for a long while. I was a lead, so I dealt with this guy all the time. I once asked him to drop the most amazing Tolkien factoid on me. He said, ‘the stories are all real, they really happened the way they were written’. Oooookaaay, thanks. I left the room and didn’t feel like strapping in for an hour long lecture about whatever he was itching to talk about.

More than a decade later, I came across these internet stories that Tolkien had consistently claimed to other authors that his stories were real, and then it clicked; that’s what that nerd was talking about. He didn’t just have access to the books you and I can buy. He got to read thousands of Tolkiens personal letters and his unpublished works; I know this because he never stopped bragging about how much he knew. Power nerds are the worst people you will ever meet.

[ - ] HughBriss 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 17, 2022 12:11:49 ago (+0/-0)

He wasn’t ‘very clear’ about his books being fantasy/proto-myth, if he was running around telling his pals that it was real.

Cite a source from one of his pals, or else this is unfounded speculation. Until you do, this is just "I heard from a guy" trivia.

[ - ] PearofAnguishJuniorManager 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 17, 2022 14:09:33 ago (+0/-0)*

I already gave you a source, that cited it’s sources. Remember that?

I suspect you’re sitting pant-less with your sorting hat on and rolling a 20 sided die to vet ‘sources’

[ - ] HughBriss 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 17, 2022 17:08:30 ago (+0/-0)

You did nothing of the kind. You didn't give me a source, and especially not a primary source.

A primary source is a document of some kind, some tangible evidence that came from its producer. A manuscript in the author's own hand, or a book published by the author, are primary sources. You didn't even provide a good secondary source. From wikijewdia:

"Primary sources are distinguished from secondary sources, which cite, comment on, or build upon primary sources. Generally, accounts written after the fact with the benefit (and possible distortions) of hindsight are secondary. A secondary source may also be a primary source depending on how it is used. For example, a memoir would be considered a primary source in research concerning its author or about their friends characterized within it, but the same memoir would be a secondary source if it were used to examine the culture in which its author lived. "Primary" and "secondary" should be understood as relative terms, with sources categorized according to specific historical contexts and what is being studied."

What I wanted was something from a primary source, preferably Tolkien, or an associate of his, where he discussed reading this mysterious and long-forgotten book written in ancient Scandinavian about pre-historic Europe. If Tolkien was as emphatic about this as Kearney and Weidner, someone would have written it somewhere, particularly C.S. Lewis, his close friend. To my knowledge, Lewis never write anything like that.

What you provided was commentary on Tolkien, a secondary source, and while they may say Tolkien "found" this ancient book, there is no primary source (as I defined above) where this can be proven.

Right now you're passing on gossip and hearsay as history. If you want to be taken seriously, you need to learn how to distinguish between primary and secondary sources, and credible and non-credible sources.

[ - ] PearofAnguishJuniorManager 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 19, 2022 02:30:31 ago (+0/-0)

So anyway…. How many High Elven Sword replicas do you own? Do you display them, or just take them out on Gandalf’s birthday?

[ - ] HughBriss 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 19, 2022 10:18:14 ago (+0/-0)

I sense this conversation is over.

[ - ] HughBriss 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 17, 2022 12:08:30 ago (+0/-0)

Holy crap. I listened to that podcast and found it to be a complete waste of time. Two Australians, who aren't identified on their own web site, blather on about a bunch of things completely unrelated to Tolkien. They go off on a tangent about what Jay Weidner said about Tolkien and tying in someone named Fulcanelli (whoever that is), even though it's completely irrelevant to any discussion about what Tolkien actually write.

None of them actually discuss Tolkien the man, his work, his extraordinary gift for languages, and his own stated intentions for writing his mythic history. Weidner come close when he speculates "To Tolkien, Lord of the Rings was a mythical reimagining of the history of Europe 6,000 ­7,000 years ago." However, this seems to contradict the other nonsense Weidner conjectures about in the rest of that article, where he just focuses on the ring and ignores the rest of his vast body of work, much of which had nothing to do with the ring.

To understand Tolkien's work, one needs to understand that he was writing mythology for England. He was an Englishman first and last and that's how he saw himself. He was a polylinguist and spent his lifetime studying the ancient writings of old mythologies in languages that don't exist any longer. He learned some of them for their value as history and myth, and some, like Welsh and Finnish, for their beauty.

The two books that had the most lasting effect on him were Joseph Wright’s "Primer of the Gothic Language" and the Finnish book "Kalevala" or "Land of Heroes". No one can show any documented source that he "just found" a book written in ancient Scandinavian in the basement of the Oxford library. If such a book existed, it wouldn't be the original, and it would have been copied and re-copied over thousands of years, and even then, such an ancient book would have been in the reference library where would have had to ask permission to read it.

Jay Weidner is a Nazi-obsessed jew nutjob, and these two podcast idiots are repeating stories they heard from this nutjob who can't cite his claims about Tolkien. This is all third-hand evidence, a story told to a friend of a friend of a friend without any substantiation.

[ - ] FacelessOne 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 16, 2022 17:40:32 ago (+0/-0)

This is a form of divination.

In the most basic breakdown, you enter a trance like state while reading and this can allow for visual hallucinations. These hallucinations appear as words in the book you are reading. If you are snapped out of the trance and try to go back to where you were you suddenly find that none of the words on the page match with the story you were just experiencing.

[ - ] PearofAnguishJuniorManager 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 17, 2022 11:21:29 ago (+0/-0)

This has never happened to me. I can put down a book and pick up right where I left off. I finish all my books, even if they are pure shit. Sometime I’ll pick up a dust covered book I tossed aside in disgust years before, and I’ll have to backtrack a bit to refresh my memory. What I read is the exact shit story I remember from my first attempt.

Do you perhaps drink a lot of wine while you read?

[ - ] FacelessOne 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 17, 2022 14:58:20 ago (+0/-0)

That is sort of the point, you are grounded to this reality and close minded to the possibility of more.

It is a debate in the world of writing on if channeling or divination is a factual source for inspiration or if it is all just the reorganization of previous ideas as put together by ones own unique brain patterns.

[ - ] Spaceman84 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 16, 2022 10:59:55 ago (+0/-0)

Sounds like a triggered redditor