I wish I could remember the context but I remember reading about some historical event in Russia I think where someone was able to consolidate power by instigating conflict between different jew groups.
I think the both almost certainly existed. Jesus is heavily corroborated and moses’ story is historically consistent with the historical events of Egypt at that time.
Don't want to rile up the Christians today so I'll leave Jesus out of this but let's talk Moses.
There was an archeological study done around 2010 or so that was pretty conclusive that there was no exodus through the desert as claimed. Even rabbis commented on it and said that didn't matter because metaphor.
I've also read strong historical arguments that the jews weren't slaves in Egypt but actually lived pretty well there and the story about them being "set free" was actually about them being kicked out for the usual reasons. One of the easier and less controversial things to look up is all the records of workers wages they found for the construction of the pyramids. It wasn't built by jew slaves.
Send me a link to the study if you can. I don’t know why it would be hard to prove the Hebrews lived in the Sinai , since I think there were semitic people like the shasu that lived there all the time.
Have you heard of the hyksos? Many identify the hyksos—a people who spoke something like hebrew—as the hebrews of exodus. They basically took over Egypt one day after living peacefully for several centuries in it’s borders. They may have accomplished this by gathering many followers through the cult of Set which they seem to have controlled. They took over northern egypt around 1800BC and the country descended into chaos for about 300 years.
Around 1500 BC, Ahmose I took back N. Egypt from the semites and drove at least some back to the levant. Chances are many stayed behind but were demoted in status, perhaps as a slave class. The cult of Set continued and remained popular with many elites (surpise).
I think in this context, the story of Moses — an adopted son in the house of pharoah from this ethinic underclass— makes sense. Alot of the story is probably bs, but perhaps he was really exiled to Arabia for being a dick and began using the name Yahweh ( a midianite god) to refer to El or Set or whatever they were calling god at that point.
Anyway the Egyptians probably couldn’t wait to unload these people who had been nothing but trouble to them. But I can guess why their name was mud in Egypt by 1200 BC.
Regarding exodus, it may have been not so much a single study but rather consensus of a number of archeologists. This article seems pretty close to what I remember reading I just remember that jews were taking it seriously so that seemed a pretty solid case to me. The article is well sourced
I wish I could find the one with the evidence about jews being forcably expelled from Egypt. It was so long ago its probably gone, but it was one of my very early redpills on jews, extremely well written, and there was a ton of content on there.
Really interesting to me reading through the one I'm posting was the information about israelites just being caananites that stopped eating pork. I always assumed the story about genociding them was true but how wild to think they just shifted their culture and spread rumors that they killed off a people who were actually just their own grandparents to sound tough.
The culture of the earliest Israelite settlements is Canaanite, their cult objects represent the Canaanite god El, the pottery reflects the local Canaanite tradition, and the alphabet is early Canaanite.
Totally agree. They were heavily related and spoke the same language. But it doesn’t rule out some of these israelites moving in to northern egypt for 4 to 8 centuries or so. We know the hyksos spoke a canaanite language that was mutually intelligible with what moabites, edomites, canaanites were all speaking.
I tend to think that the founding population of the jews was a group of hereditary priests originally from somewhere in mesopotamia (the bible basically asserts this) and that they just gained control of some group of canaanites and turned them against the ones that rejected them. They were monotheists because they were trying to squeeze other priests out of the market. They call themselves israelites, but maybe they are really the people who took over the israelites. They call themselves Russians, Americans, Moors, Romans— maybe they are not really the hebrews or perhaps a mix of hebrews and something else.
It was the campaign of Ahmose I that drove them out of Egypt in 1500 BC, though other pharoahs like Hatshepsut claimed victory over them before. It seems likely that there was a lot of mixing among northern egyptians and the semites so they may have shitted up the gene pool. There may have been other semitic groups in their coalition. This article paints a somewhat multicultural picture. https://concisepolitics.com/2018/02/20/timeline-of-the-real-history-of-the-hebrews-being-driven-out-of-egypt/
Avaris, a city in the northeastern region of the Nile Delta, at the hub of Egypt’s delta trading station or emporia, made it a major administrative capital of the Hyksos
`avarice noun 1. extreme greed for wealth or material gain Example: "he was rich beyond the dreams of avarice"`
Many identify the hyksos—a people who spoke something like hebrew—as the hebrews of exodus.
They may have been semetic but it's worth pointing out that there's also a group of people called the "Hebiru" by the egyptians who seem like a better candidate. Maybe they merged later, who knows. Jewish history is pretty murky.
I think in this context, the story of Moses — an adopted son in the house of pharoah from this ethinic underclass— makes sense.
Ok, well we know his origin story is fake because it's actually a much older indo-european story. It occurs in both hindu and saxon myth so it predates the sintashta culture exodus from europe, making it at least 1500 years older than him, and almost certainly older than that.
If we accept that the jews are liberally borrowing bits and pieces from other cultures' mythology to construct this moses figure and they can be discounted as part of the real story, then what's left?
The jews are well known for their persecution fantasies and delusions of grandeur, so it seems more likely that this was a post-facto justification for them getting kicked out yet again.
It seems that Flavius Josephus, a well know jewish roman historian, discusses him as do Pliny and Tacitus, and some other roman cultural figures. And a bunch of contemporary rabbis who accused him of being a whoreson or something. It seems like an elaborate hoax if it is one. It seems just like the jews to raise up a political figure like this to accomplish an agenda, and to imbue him with fantastic powers. Just like they plotz over Rebbe Schneerson or earlier cult leaders like Sabbatai Zevi.
I don’t find it hard to believe that their records, though twisted and one sided, are consistent with the historical reality in a broad sense. Theyve been writing shit down for 3000 years. I do believe these accounts reflect real events including the figures. Exodus seems to dovetail well with the events of the events of the Hyksos rule of second. intermediate period of Egypt. I think they were clearly there. Of course there was some pushy jew who who was favored by the pharoah but then stabbed him in the back. Would they really need to make up someone like that? Why is that a stretch? IMHO, lol.
I think Abraham was real too and it seems that the arabs have an oral tradition of Abraham as their patriarch. that was passed down separately from the tradition of the Hebrews that passed through Egypt.
They build people up as messiahs and prophets. They pile opprobrium upon anyone who rejects them, turn them into satan.
Thing is, Pliny and Tacitus are recounting tales and rumours from ~50 years before they were born, mostly in the context of christians being pests. Restating the beliefs of a cult almost a century later isn't proof of their truth.
The comparison I'd give for this is the holohoax. Most people now agree it happened by virtue of repetition, but evidence from the time itself is scanty and all the people you'd expect to (and were highly motivated to) mention such an incredible thing don't.
If the execution of a jewish messiah had lead to eclipses, earthquakes and the persecution of his followers then the contemporary romans absolutely would have written about it. They wrote about the execution of other rebels and religious figures who were far less noteworthy.
Josephus is even less convincing. Again, he's writing a century later so at best he's repeating hearsay. His description of Jesus is also... fawning is how I'd put it. And he refers to him as the messiah which seems unlikely. If the pharisees had accepted jesus as the jewish messiah then what happened? Why weren't they christians? Why does judaism still exist? There's also the huge problem that the texts mentioning jesus are missing from earlier copies, so I think it's fair to suppose that one of the christians "preserving" his work had an axe to grind and did a little editing.
Hi jew. Im happy to discuss this with you. There are some similarities between conservative whites and conservative jews, because we both strive to conserve our own cultures. But it’s not the same. Conservative whites want to conserve values that help us build strong countries— values that help us to work cooperatively to build things, to make things, to grow things. To understand how things work. We make the best countries; we make everything of value in those countries; we protect those countries with our blood; we build countries.
Jews build nothing. They hitch a free ride by infiltrating other people’s bureacracies and using them to live off others. Jewish economic strategy is strictly rent seeking. So conservative jews conserve the values of a religion that enshrines them as the master race and relegates the shiksas, the shegetzim, as their servants. Conservative judaism conserves a parasitic strategy which is not self-sustaining and therefore not conservative. It produces no wealth.
Conservative jews are not the allies of consevative europeans : they viciously attack anything that smells like ethnic unity or traditional cultural values in any other group, be it whites or middle-easterners or hindus or blacks or anyone else. All the while supporting the world’s only legal ethnostate. All the while supporting their own theocracy.
Progressive social justice is just another revolutionary splinter group of jews which seeks to destroy the countries stupid enough to tolerate jews— just like communism, just like christianity, just like the original monaltrist cult of yahweh. Jews fund revolutions in every country in the world.
But every one of these revolutionaries is no more than 2 or 3 generations away from those observant jews. Because, as the conservative jews understand all too well, who you are is genetic.
This is unlike most of the conservative christians that jews are always accusing of being racist. Most of them think you can just choose to be a good person— you can’t.
Conservative jews are all consciously racist and worship a racially supremacist religion. But that gets a pass and the progressive secular “antiracist” jews all overlook it and all jews stick together on that score.
These Yeshiva U jews are all jewish supremacists that run a self-worshipping institution, but they fucked up, because they chose not to make it officially a religious institution —probably because they get more taxpayer shekels for saying they accept non-jews. But the gay jew judge loves sowing revolution and sexual depravity more than honoring the diktats of the rebbes. So like a good jew, she gets them on a technicality. And so we say to the jews:
Hoist by your own petard!
The conservative jews appeal to their “fellow americans” , which is a ploy. They are totally disingenuous. That article was tagged as “antisemitism” — you can’t make this up!— because although a jew screwed over a jew, it will be used against whites. Antisemitism is the great lie of the ages. Ever since the Hyksos destroyed Egypt, the jews have been ruining other people’s countries. And when they get thrown out, they cry and cry “How unfair!”. They cry longer and louder than anyone else. They formed an entire religion around how they are just so picked on! For no reason!
There’s a reason. You are country killers. You drink your own koolaid. You don’t know what you are. You don’t want to settle down and build something for yourself. Listen to what dozens of countries have said to you over thousands of years. The problem is you. No one is better off with you in their country. Jewish lawyers and judges are an absolute cancer on any civilization and will never correctly interpret the morals or values of the society they feign to represent. You above all know that cooperativity is highest among related people. Multiculturalism is pushed by jews to weaken settled people, so you can exploit them better. That is what all jews do, conservative or progressive.
You should all go do that in israel and maybe what's coming won't be inevitable. I know you see the writing on the wall because I know jews and I hear conversations. Now is the time to get out so tell your friends.
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[ - ] SecretHitler 3 points 1.8 yearsJun 27, 2022 23:29:38 ago (+3/-0)
I wish I could remember the context but I remember reading about some historical event in Russia I think where someone was able to consolidate power by instigating conflict between different jew groups.
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There was an archeological study done around 2010 or so that was pretty conclusive that there was no exodus through the desert as claimed. Even rabbis commented on it and said that didn't matter because metaphor.
I've also read strong historical arguments that the jews weren't slaves in Egypt but actually lived pretty well there and the story about them being "set free" was actually about them being kicked out for the usual reasons. One of the easier and less controversial things to look up is all the records of workers wages they found for the construction of the pyramids. It wasn't built by jew slaves.
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[ - ] PostWallHelena [op] 1 point 1.8 yearsJun 28, 2022 22:43:14 ago (+1/-0)
Have you heard of the hyksos? Many identify the hyksos—a people who spoke something like hebrew—as the hebrews of exodus. They basically took over Egypt one day after living peacefully for several centuries in it’s borders. They may have accomplished this by gathering many followers through the cult of Set which they seem to have controlled. They took over northern egypt around 1800BC and the country descended into chaos for about 300 years.
Around 1500 BC, Ahmose I took back N. Egypt from the semites and drove at least some back to the levant. Chances are many stayed behind but were demoted in status, perhaps as a slave class. The cult of Set continued and remained popular with many elites (surpise).
I think in this context, the story of Moses — an adopted son in the house of pharoah from this ethinic underclass— makes sense. Alot of the story is probably bs, but perhaps he was really exiled to Arabia for being a dick and began using the name Yahweh ( a midianite god) to refer to El or Set or whatever they were calling god at that point.
Anyway the Egyptians probably couldn’t wait to unload these people who had been nothing but trouble to them. But I can guess why their name was mud in Egypt by 1200 BC.
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[ - ] SecretHitler 0 points 1.8 yearsJun 28, 2022 23:10:01 ago (+0/-0)
https://brewminate.com/the-story-of-the-exodus-and-lack-of-historicity/
I wish I could find the one with the evidence about jews being forcably expelled from Egypt. It was so long ago its probably gone, but it was one of my very early redpills on jews, extremely well written, and there was a ton of content on there.
Really interesting to me reading through the one I'm posting was the information about israelites just being caananites that stopped eating pork. I always assumed the story about genociding them was true but how wild to think they just shifted their culture and spread rumors that they killed off a people who were actually just their own grandparents to sound tough.
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[ - ] PostWallHelena [op] 1 point 1.8 yearsJun 29, 2022 00:07:42 ago (+1/-0)
Totally agree. They were heavily related and spoke the same language. But it doesn’t rule out some of these israelites moving in to northern egypt for 4 to 8 centuries or so. We know the hyksos spoke a canaanite language that was mutually intelligible with what moabites, edomites, canaanites were all speaking.
I tend to think that the founding population of the jews was a group of hereditary priests originally from somewhere in mesopotamia (the bible basically asserts this) and that they just gained control of some group of canaanites and turned them against the ones that rejected them. They were monotheists because they were trying to squeeze other priests out of the market. They call themselves israelites, but maybe they are really the people who took over the israelites. They call themselves Russians, Americans, Moors, Romans— maybe they are not really the hebrews or perhaps a mix of hebrews and something else.
It was the campaign of Ahmose I that drove them out of Egypt in 1500 BC, though other pharoahs like Hatshepsut claimed victory over them before. It seems likely that there was a lot of mixing among northern egyptians and the semites so they may have shitted up the gene pool. There may have been other semitic groups in their coalition. This article paints a somewhat multicultural picture.
https://concisepolitics.com/2018/02/20/timeline-of-the-real-history-of-the-hebrews-being-driven-out-of-egypt/
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`avarice
noun
1. extreme greed for wealth or material gain
Example: "he was rich beyond the dreams of avarice"`
It's unreal how much history spells out for us.
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There's where they stole the concept of "goy" from. They really didn't create anything. Just take and destroy that's all they know.
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They may have been semetic but it's worth pointing out that there's also a group of people called the "Hebiru" by the egyptians who seem like a better candidate. Maybe they merged later, who knows. Jewish history is pretty murky.
Ok, well we know his origin story is fake because it's actually a much older indo-european story. It occurs in both hindu and saxon myth so it predates the sintashta culture exodus from europe, making it at least 1500 years older than him, and almost certainly older than that.
If we accept that the jews are liberally borrowing bits and pieces from other cultures' mythology to construct this moses figure and they can be discounted as part of the real story, then what's left?
The jews are well known for their persecution fantasies and delusions of grandeur, so it seems more likely that this was a post-facto justification for them getting kicked out yet again.
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I always assumed it was but is it? Hard to come up with anything outside of christian sources.
That doesn't mean much. Plenty of fiction refers to real events.
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I don’t find it hard to believe that their records, though twisted and one sided, are consistent with the historical reality in a broad sense. Theyve been writing shit down for 3000 years. I do believe these accounts reflect real events including the figures. Exodus seems to dovetail well with the events of the events of the Hyksos rule of second. intermediate period of Egypt. I think they were clearly there. Of course there was some pushy jew who who was favored by the pharoah but then stabbed him in the back. Would they really need to make up someone like that? Why is that a stretch? IMHO, lol.
I think Abraham was real too and it seems that the arabs have an oral tradition of Abraham as their patriarch. that was passed down separately from the tradition of the Hebrews that passed through Egypt.
They build people up as messiahs and prophets. They pile opprobrium upon anyone who rejects them, turn them into satan.
Guardian article about proof of Jesus https://archive.ph/3V79M
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The comparison I'd give for this is the holohoax. Most people now agree it happened by virtue of repetition, but evidence from the time itself is scanty and all the people you'd expect to (and were highly motivated to) mention such an incredible thing don't.
If the execution of a jewish messiah had lead to eclipses, earthquakes and the persecution of his followers then the contemporary romans absolutely would have written about it. They wrote about the execution of other rebels and religious figures who were far less noteworthy.
Josephus is even less convincing. Again, he's writing a century later so at best he's repeating hearsay. His description of Jesus is also... fawning is how I'd put it. And he refers to him as the messiah which seems unlikely. If the pharisees had accepted jesus as the jewish messiah then what happened? Why weren't they christians? Why does judaism still exist? There's also the huge problem that the texts mentioning jesus are missing from earlier copies, so I think it's fair to suppose that one of the christians "preserving" his work had an axe to grind and did a little editing.
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Forcing this shit on Jews? Oy vey, that's anti-Semitic.
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You get into a bickering match with your blue-haired woke niece at the Thanksgiving table...same thing here.
Some Jews are a lot more lenient about LGBT than are others.
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Jews build nothing. They hitch a free ride by infiltrating other people’s bureacracies and using them to live off others. Jewish economic strategy is strictly rent seeking. So conservative jews conserve the values of a religion that enshrines them as the master race and relegates the shiksas, the shegetzim, as their servants. Conservative judaism conserves a parasitic strategy which is not self-sustaining and therefore not conservative. It produces no wealth.
Conservative jews are not the allies of consevative europeans : they viciously attack anything that smells like ethnic unity or traditional cultural values in any other group, be it whites or middle-easterners or hindus or blacks or anyone else. All the while supporting the world’s only legal ethnostate. All the while supporting their own theocracy.
Progressive social justice is just another revolutionary splinter group of jews which seeks to destroy the countries stupid enough to tolerate jews— just like communism, just like christianity, just like the original monaltrist cult of yahweh. Jews fund revolutions in every country in the world.
But every one of these revolutionaries is no more than 2 or 3 generations away from those observant jews. Because, as the conservative jews understand all too well, who you are is genetic.
This is unlike most of the conservative christians that jews are always accusing of being racist. Most of them think you can just choose to be a good person— you can’t.
Conservative jews are all consciously racist and worship a racially supremacist religion. But that gets a pass and the progressive secular “antiracist” jews all overlook it and all jews stick together on that score.
These Yeshiva U jews are all jewish supremacists that run a self-worshipping institution, but they fucked up, because they chose not to make it officially a religious institution —probably because they get more taxpayer shekels for saying they accept non-jews. But the gay jew judge loves sowing revolution and sexual depravity more than honoring the diktats of the rebbes. So like a good jew, she gets them on a technicality. And so we say to the jews:
The conservative jews appeal to their “fellow americans” , which is a ploy. They are totally disingenuous. That article was tagged as “antisemitism” — you can’t make this up!— because although a jew screwed over a jew, it will be used against whites. Antisemitism is the great lie of the ages. Ever since the Hyksos destroyed Egypt, the jews have been ruining other people’s countries. And when they get thrown out, they cry and cry “How unfair!”. They cry longer and louder than anyone else. They formed an entire religion around how they are just so picked on! For no reason!
There’s a reason. You are country killers. You drink your own koolaid. You don’t know what you are. You don’t want to settle down and build something for yourself. Listen to what dozens of countries have said to you over thousands of years. The problem is you. No one is better off with you in their country. Jewish lawyers and judges are an absolute cancer on any civilization and will never correctly interpret the morals or values of the society they feign to represent. You above all know that cooperativity is highest among related people. Multiculturalism is pushed by jews to weaken settled people, so you can exploit them better. That is what all jews do, conservative or progressive.
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[ - ] SecretHitler 1 point 1.8 yearsJun 28, 2022 20:13:03 ago (+1/-0)
You're welcome.