Most people are unaware of significant details. I will attempt to put in simple terms:
When ever the US/China/Taiwan political situation heats up, like is happening right now, you will start to hear talk of the "Taiwan Strait." They will run news stories about big bad China laying claim to the the waters of the strait, or flying warplanes into Taiwan air space. Occasionally the US will sail warships through the Taiwan Strait and China will complain about the US infringing on it's territorial waters etc.
So who is lying and who is telling the truth? Which side is really doing inappropriate things? The problem is that it is impossible to tell from a news story because of the specifics of the geography of the Taiwan Strait. Taiwan proper sits about 150 miles off the coast of mainland China. When most people hear "Taiwan Strait" they think of this 150 mile wide strip of water running between Taiwan and China. The problem is that the area is littered with a collection of small islands some of which are under Taiwan's control and some are under China's control. Most important is Quemoy Island, or Kinmen Island which sits a mere 1.5 miles off the coast of mainland China. It literally sits in the harbor of the city of Xiamen.
So when the US military says they are sailing a warship through the Taiwan Strait it sometimes means nothing and sometimes it means the US sailed a warship into the harbor of a major Chinese city and flipped them the bird. When the PLA flies warplanes in to Taiwan air space, sometimes they are buzzing the Taiwan mainland and sometimes they are flying planes over their own harbor.
https://cdn.britannica.com/64/4564-050-EA4FD54D/Taiwan-map-features-locator.jpg![]()
Look at this map and note the location of Quemoy island, Tung-Ting island, Wu-Ch'iu island, etc. Now look at Liu-Ch'iu island. These are the specific areas that have caused tensions. You should now understand why you cannot just read a headline. I am not sympathetic to the Chinese in any way but even I have to admit that sailing a ship between Quemoy and Xiamen places the US in the role of the aggressor. Buzzing Liu-Ch'iu island with war planes firmly places China in the role of aggressor. Western media intentionally keeps this all very vague for western audiences so they can spin any story any way they want.
Now go read this story and tell me who is right and who is wrong.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-us-escalate-over-legal-status-taiwan-strait-after-beijing-rejects-international Both sides are making unreasonable claims to territory and without knowing very specific details it is impossible to form a good position on any one specific incident.
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[ - ] GloryBeckons 0 points 2.9 yearsJun 23, 2022 07:06:50 ago (+0/-0)
I would agree. But do you have any actual examples that something like that ever happened, under the umbrella of "sail through Taiwan Strait" and/or "international waters"? You're right that most news articles are missing crucial details, and so are effectively useless propaganda, but we can't just assume one way or the other either.
If all the US ever did is sail ships through the actual strait, halfway between China and Taiwan, or closer to Taiwan, with Taiwan's invitation, then they never did anything wrong. Sailing to the small Taiwanese islands close to China should be fine as well, since they must have international waterways to connect them to the high sea. If they deliberately pushed closer to China by sailing around the islands and into China's territorial waters, that would be deliberately aggressive.
See graphic and definition here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusive_economic_zone#Definition
And also: https://www.encyclopedia.com/law/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/international-waterways
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[ - ] Not_C 0 points 2.9 yearsJun 21, 2022 18:49:30 ago (+0/-0)
Technically, only the US is an aggressor in the examples you listed.
Both China and Taiwan refuse to acknowledge their own existence separate from the other.
Therefore, the Taiwanese can't complain until they declare themselves as a separate country. Until then it's a Taiwanese aircraft, taking off from Taiwan, flown by a Taiwanese citizen, from the Taiwanese military, flying through Taiwanese airspace. (Yeah, ok I'm supposed to say the "Republic of China", but you get the point.) It's not an international incident, because it's not international.
Meanwhile, the US sailing ships through the Taiwan Strait - The US is a separate country. And yes they were invited by the Taiwanese, but not the mainland. So the US knew that they were deliberately creating an international incident. Making them an aggressor. It may not be illegal, but it is an aggressive act by an aggressor.
Either way, until Taiwan declares itself a separate country from the mainland, it can't cry or complain about anything. And whatever happens there is not our issue.
[ + ] bobdole9
[ - ] bobdole9 0 points 2.9 yearsJun 21, 2022 14:43:12 ago (+1/-1)
The joys of tit for tat.
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[ - ] Name 0 points 2.9 yearsJun 21, 2022 12:44:43 ago (+0/-0)
https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/chinas-artificial-islands-news-rumors/
[ + ] Glowbright
[ - ] Glowbright [op] 2 points 2.9 yearsJun 21, 2022 12:56:11 ago (+2/-0)
Completely different area and a completely different set of issues. Go look up the 'Nine Dash Line' for details https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/9_dotted_line.png
The South China Sea is a area of waters 1200 MILES south of mainland china. They built an artificial island and then claimed ownership of everything all the way back to the mainland. Everything inside the green dashes. Totally different. The South China Sea is fairly black and white... it is clearly a Empire-building land grab.
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[ + ] JustALover
[ - ] JustALover 0 points 2.9 yearsJun 21, 2022 17:31:40 ago (+0/-0)
Good times.
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Communism isn't cute, and the Chicoms have now proven that their obsession with centralized power is a threat to every man, woman and child on the planet.
It was one thing for Mao's top-down delusions to kill millions of Chinese. It's quite another for them to threaten the entire fucking species.
Nuking Beijing and handing everything over to Taipei is far more reasonable than it appears at first glance.
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