Breaking the seal of confession will get a priest excommunicated. Confession is a pipe that dumps right into their money coffers.
Priests molesting a shit ton of little boys? No problemo. They won’t kick you out for that, they’ll move you to another place. It’s a money thing again.
How many problems (local problems more than likely) would be solved if a non-Catholic bugged the confessional and blackmailed everyone into furthering the final solution?
Women are fucking evil I'm not mgtow or woman hater but the shit I've see in 47 years on this planet from women is unfucking believable I'd rather deal with a fucking criminal then these back stabbing self absorbed narrcisist women this western jew dominated society is creating.. I feel bad for young men these days
Its not my nature to be lead. Every man I know is either dumber or more liberal than me and usually both. Hitler could lead me. That’s about it. There are plenty of submissive women of course, but I gauge them to be the least loyal because they are childish. You can’t expect a woman to follow you around like a puppy dog but also to have personal accountability . Those things don’t go together.
If she is catholic, that is fake and gay. You cannot receive a penance that says you have to tell someone what you did nor can the priest break his seal. The priest would be defrocked, totally not worth the risk.
If she mentioned it to the priest outside the confessional, all bets are off.
That’s the actual strategy priests will take for serious crimes. If you were to confess to being a serial killer or pedophile the priest would probably ask or goad you into talking to him about it later privately, so he could report you to the police.
While the homosexuals who infiltrated the church have done a horrible amount of damage, and many are still around, the idea that the catholic clergy is disproportionately pedophiles is Jewish slander.
You absolutely can receive a penance that requires you come clean with your sins. What, did you think saying a dozen Hail Marys would grease you into heaven despite any action you've taken? Confession is a hell of a system (literally) and it's been abused over the centuries but it's not quite that lenient.
And you can always refuse to perform the penance. In which case, well, the priest won't do anything but remind you of what your future will bring.
All people are religious. Religion is an irrational overly simplified moral paradigm that people use to cope with reality and make decisions.
No one makes their own morals since the purpose of morals is so that many people can collaborate as a group without screwing each other over. Morals are the genetic mechanism that allows societies to manage selfish behaviors so they don’t become a liability to the group. Otherwise we’d all live on separate hilltops and come down to screw and then go back to our solitary ineffecient lives.
“Making your own morals” is ridiculous, you don’t understand what morals are for.
Secular atheists usually get this wrong and incorrectly believe that their religious paradigm is “rational” and “fact based”. Religious thinking is common to everyone and it is hardwired in your brain. People don’t change their neural architecture by being atheists and they don’t gain improved logic by an act of will. Its the same old brain.
“Making your own morals” is ridiculous, you don’t understand what morals are for.
All people are religious.
All adults with a coping mechanism are religious. Not all adults are religious.
Different cultures observe different morals. Sino moral code says reverse back over the maimed child so you don't have to pay exhorbitant medical fees.
People need to learn that their transient moods and feelings are not justifications for these kinds of actions. Notice her subtle apologizing.
"Our marriage was rocky."
"But now we're reconnected."
Translation: "My feelings went down so I acted as if my obligations disappeared. Then my feelings went up again, and so the guilt set in."
FFS, I'd like to know what the average modern person's idea about love and marriage entails. She only became guilty once her feelings changed. She didn't feel guilty for any moral reason in and of itself, not for breaking the marriage pact. She felt guilt because her feelings shifted.
FFS, I'd like to know what the average modern person's idea about love and marriage entails.
That it’s a lifelong obligation unless someone’s feelings change.
She didn't feel guilty for any moral reason in and of itself,
I think morals are feelings based. Some people just demonstrate them them more consistently because they experience loyalty and guilt more strongly. The priest also broke a pact. I suppose he too was swayed be momentary impulsive feelings to abandon his obligations. Assuming any of this is real.
I was getting worried; I'd made too many critical comments about women lately without any pushback from you, haha.
I agree, it could have been a man. Men are also prone to giving in to passion and abandoning reason.
I also think there is a reason to believe men should be more obligated to their self-awareness of it, and why so much more of their self-regulation should be held at the individual level, while more structural and social means are required to deal with women's self-regulation. Another way of putting it would be that a society is likelier to function in a healthy way when a moral emphasis on accountability is maintained for men at the individual level, and at a social level for the regulation of women's behaviors.
One consequence of this is that complaints like my original comment, directed at women, are mostly futile. It's catharsis. Promoting female self-regulation doesn't happen at the level of bandying around reasonable opinions. A more tightly morally regulated male stratum of society is a necessary condition for achieving the regulated female level.
I was getting worried; I'd made too many critical comments about women lately without any pushback from you, haha.
And don’t think I didn’t see it and make clicky disapproving noises with my tongue while reading them.
and why so much more of their self-regulation should be held at the individual level, while more structural and social means are required to deal with women's self-regulation.
It appears that with reapect to the big stuff—murder, theft, and even adultery and fornication— men are more frequently the offenders by a wide margin. They require higher levels of social regulation in the way of law enforcement than women, even if we are only talking about white men.
Promoting female self-regulation doesn't happen at the level of bandying around reasonable opinions
In fact is does. It also works for men. But maybe it works even better for women. What is required is repetition. People don’t change their minds when the truth is presented to them. They change their minds by being brainwashed through repetition.
But repeating “reasonable opinions” has the added allure of being true.
If you're going by statistics, then you'll certainly find that in terms of the jailable crimes, sure, men commit more of these, and for obvious reasons that we shouldn't expect to change anytime soon. Of course in this case we were referring to something different than aggravated crimes, and to something more like adhering to generally pro-social and moral behaviors, the violations of which are not necessarily crimes per se.
The unique role of women in society generally means that if they want something, be it an object or the taking of another person's life, well, they can get men to do these things. The difference between male and female 'bad behavior' is striking in some regards, and the history of art, literature and music from just about every culture bears this out.
But one reason that we may just be starting to see a closing in the gap between women and men, even in these more traditionally male crimes, is because sociocultural structures for the regulation of female behaviors have only really begun to slacken for about 100 years or so, perhaps with more marginal liberation for about a century before that. I'd venture to say that pedophilia would probably have been considered an almost exclusively male crime not so long ago, but of course, the advent of the internet and cell phones has made it clear that far more women commit that crime than culture might have thought.
But even in this example you cite regarding male violent crime, most of that violent crime is directed against other men (yes, even acknowledging female rape and murder). That's because we expect men to handle themselves, as I said, and to be accountable to themselves at an individual level. We tell men to buck up, get strong, bulk up, learn to fight, learn to defend yourself, etc. Not only is someone likelier to come running if a woman screams, society punishes a man who hurts women more harshly than a man who hurts other men. The threat of violence has done more to protect men from one another than law enforcement ever has. While I can agree that law enforcement probably targets crimes that are commoner for men, this is precisely the reason why control of women has to happen at a total cultural level and not just a legalistic/bureaucratic level (like it can for men). Police don't regulate the kinds of socially harmful behaviors women engage in. Men's crimes are usually more blunt and straightforward and prone to the kinds of evidence that make policing what it is. Women are the primary reason men commit those crimes haha.
I hate everything about your view of the human mind, haha. On the one hand, you espouse strict behaviorism, but in the same breath you say reason can be effective. Women don't trade in moral reasons the way that men do. Men have grand moral ideas and they kill each other over them. Women pick up the tokens from whoever wins and they spread them. You can watch this from the level of high schools, up through nations.
You shouldn't compare yourself to most women. If you're being honest, what percentage of women out there really think and act the way you do?
Of course in this case we were referring to something different than aggravated crimes, and to something more like adhering to generally pro-social and moral behaviors, the violations of which are not necessarily crimes per se.
It’s really all the same. Exploitive behaviors in which one person deceives, defrauds, extorts, or harms another to get what they want— that’s what we’re talking about. And the little crimes/sins come from the same place as the big ones — personal benefit at someone else’s expense.
Now we have all committed small sins like telling a lie or cheating on a math test or picking on someone else and those things are not as bad as breaking and entering but the idea that men are only committing large crimes but not committing the smaller venial offenses that we don’t call the police over seems absurd. When men decide to behave selfishly, they only go big? I don’t believe it. And it doesn’t match my experience.
The unique role of women in society generally means that if they want something, be it an object or the taking of another person's life, well, they can get men to do these things.
I think you guys watch too many movies. You would think we were all Bond girls that demand men jump in front of automobiles for kicks. Being a woman is hard. It is not pleasant and easy. Life often feels unfair to women because women cannot do all the things men can do. Women do not have all the advantages men do. This is true for men as well. Life is unfair. Men and women face different obstacles.
The difference between male and female 'bad behavior' is striking in some regards, and the history of art, literature and music from just about every culture bears this out.
I think you are trying to say that women are portrayed as manipulative shrews by works that were 99% created by men. I’m not sure that’s a slam dunk. Jane Austen made this point 200 years ago. There might be something like a bias going on in all this cold hard evidence like operas and poems.
the advent of the internet and cell phones has made it clear that far more women commit that crime than culture might have thought.
I don’t disagree. In fact I suspect women have been getting away with alot of crimes, like infantacide, child abuse, poisonings, elder abuse, for a long time. I still think it’s less than men and that men cheat more and steal more and lie more and kill more because the payoff for men is much greater if they can get away with it— because of differences in male and female reproduction.
most of that violent crime is directed against other men (yes, even acknowledging female rape and murder). That's because we expect men to handle themselves,...... society punishes a man who hurts women more harshly than a man who hurts other men. The threat of violence has done more to protect men from one another than law enforcement ever has.
This is a circular argument. Guys have to be more physically agressive because they are more likely to be attacked...by guys? The problem is that males tend to murder each other or steal from each other because it is a successful male reproductive strategy to knock out the competition and get more females. And males have been doing it this way —to a greater or lesser extent— for several hundred million years. Legacy genetics controlling male behavior is why men engage in higher levels of violence, resource hoarding etc. The payoffs for “cheating” are higher for males because females have a much lower limit on their reproductive potential. This is why males are more competitive over everything.
this is precisely the reason why control of women has to happen at a total cultural level and not just a legalistic/bureaucratic level
Men have to be controlled as much as women. Islamic societies are the perfect example of when men have too much control. Powerful men hoard all the women and treat them like dogs. Poor men have no access to women and have no stake in the status quo and are restive and criminal, and wealth disparity is tremendous. Males become corrupt if they get too much power. So do women.
Police don't regulate the kinds of socially harmful behaviors women engage in.
Fornication and adultery should be criminalized again. Deceiving someone about the paternity of your child should be a felony. Forcing other people to pay you so you can take care of your own children is theft.
On the one hand, you espouse strict behaviorism, but in the same breath you say reason can be effective.
Well let’s say I think human behavior is fairly deterministic, but hey who says reasoning isn’t part of the process that determines behavior?
Men have grand moral ideas and they kill each other over them.
Men go to war for the same reasons all male animals fight— to hoard more resources and more females. This is why black gangbangers shoot at each other in the hood. This is why NATO and Russia are fighting over Ukraine. It’s why Greece attacked Troy. Men fabricate motives like “ending slavery” or “restoring democracy” but it’s really over the ability to score more chicks. Women tend to gravitate toward consensus more readily, which is a solution to conflict which also has its drawbacks. But I don’t accept that women are more opportunistic or less honest with themselves than men. Men deceive themselves all the time on a grand scale. I feel you are cherry picking.
If you're being honest, what percentage of women out there really think and act the way you do?
Most guys don’t think like you either. Im a bit of an odd duck but so is everyone here.
Breaking a personal moral code causes negative feelings as a reminder to not do it. If you live a moral life then you won't have these feelings of guilt. This also means that if you are a good person and you break your moral code it will really hurt you.
I think we are in agreement, I was just clarifying.
If you have a personal moral code, it is because you were genetically programmed to hate certain behaviors and like others. The only other reason to observe a moral rule is because of a fear of reprisal from the group.
Some people are genetically programmed to experience internal feelings of unpleasantness more frequently and with greater intensity at breaking a moral code. I feel guilty about killing bugs. I feel guilty about all kinds of dumb shit. Blacks don’t . Guilt is variable and it’s genetic. Same with all morals. There is variation within the white population and there is variation between races.
You realize that's your cope for everything, right? Lol how typical of a woman to have only one response and that response is blaming everyone and anyone else.
No, I have a balanced view of human nature and understand that neither all women nor all men are bad. You are in denial of the opportunistic behaviors of males that have contributed to the straits we are in as a society. You are not interested in understanding the problems we face as a race or in solving them. That’s because you are a retarded child.
She is correct to ask this. If a catholic can’t count on the seal of the confessional they can’t count on anything. What she did was wrong but what he did is worse. You can’t be a priest if you are going to spread around secrets like this.
Why would someone choose to be 'bound in a sin'? Why not skip the priest, penance and all that accompanies it and just deal with the responsibility of their actions? I'm not trying to be an asshole. I just come by it naturally.
It’s just what catholicism teaches. They believe a priest has special power to absolve you of sin. God works through th priest to bring the worshipper to a state of grace. How this happens is a “mystery” and it’s really not meant meant to be understood. They have a set of rites that supposedly help you get in to heaven, even if you fuck up. Its what they believe.
Yeah sounds fishy. Like this is the first wife he's met who confessed to cheating on her husband. Either he does this all the time or there's something more to the story.
The issue with religious conservativism is that it's authoritarian in nature, with a hierarchy and rules and requires "shepherds to tend the flock". I understand it and respect it to some extent. But like any authoritarian system, the authority is composed of fallible humans. The rules can't be absolute if they're enforced by people. And confession may be good for the soul but it's not God who's listening, it's some dude on the other side of a screen.
Isn't your criticism overly-broad? It's more a statement on priests and the confessional it seems to me. Admitting some of your most private acts to a priest has always struck Protestants as unseemly. It's why we say Jesus is the only intercessor.
From what I understand he has every right to check up to make sure that she followed through with her acts of contrition. Him absolving her of sin is contingent on her completing her acts of contrition. She has lost all credibility in the eyes of the church because she has broken a sacred Covenant that the church presided over with her husband. The contrition would almost certainly involve marital counciling by their parish priest. So her not scheduling the session is probably what triggered the priest to reach out to the husband.
Short answer, according to ecumenical law, he was well within his rights to involve the husband.
No. Catholics are taught that you can literally commit a murder and confess it to a priest and he won’t tell anyone, no matter what. The only condition for total absolution is that you have to be truly sorry and repent. You do not need to turn yourself in. This isn’t AA. This is how catholicism believes sin works.
There is no ecunemical law that allows a priest to violate the secrecy of the confessional. Priests are expected to maintain that discretion if threatened with torture or death or imprisonment.
Imagine how many catholic men have confessed to cheating on their wives in confession. Probably about a billion. A priest never reveals that. Ive never heard of a catholic priest ever doing such a thing. You are making up that the priest is “well within his rights”. The church is crystal fucking clear on it. What happens in confession stays in confession. I assume this would be grounds for defrocking, I don’t know for sure, but this is historically a very grievous violation of holy orders.
These are catholic rules. Catholic priests are barred from doing this. What else is there to say. He should have been a methodist if he wanted to spread everyone’s sins around town.
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Priests molesting a shit ton of little boys? No problemo. They won’t kick you out for that, they’ll move you to another place. It’s a money thing again.
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You cower in fear like a woman whenever someone challenges you irl
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Cry harder
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Adultery isn't.
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Now, she’s asking for legal advice because she still doesn’t give a shit about what she’s done to him and to herself.
Whore indeed.
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If she mentioned it to the priest outside the confessional, all bets are off.
That’s the actual strategy priests will take for serious crimes. If you were to confess to being a serial killer or pedophile the priest would probably ask or goad you into talking to him about it later privately, so he could report you to the police.
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And you can always refuse to perform the penance. In which case, well, the priest won't do anything but remind you of what your future will bring.
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No real surprise that someone who needs others to tell them what to do so they can live a functional life is incapable of keeping something secret.
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No one makes their own morals since the purpose of morals is so that many people can collaborate as a group without screwing each other over. Morals are the genetic mechanism that allows societies to manage selfish behaviors so they don’t become a liability to the group. Otherwise we’d all live on separate hilltops and come down to screw and then go back to our solitary ineffecient lives.
“Making your own morals” is ridiculous, you don’t understand what morals are for.
Secular atheists usually get this wrong and incorrectly believe that their religious paradigm is “rational” and “fact based”. Religious thinking is common to everyone and it is hardwired in your brain. People don’t change their neural architecture by being atheists and they don’t gain improved logic by an act of will. Its the same old brain.
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All adults with a coping mechanism are religious. Not all adults are religious.
Different cultures observe different morals. Sino moral code says reverse back over the maimed child so you don't have to pay exhorbitant medical fees.
Imagine thinking that morals are universal.
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"Our marriage was rocky."
"But now we're reconnected."
Translation: "My feelings went down so I acted as if my obligations disappeared. Then my feelings went up again, and so the guilt set in."
FFS, I'd like to know what the average modern person's idea about love and marriage entails. She only became guilty once her feelings changed. She didn't feel guilty for any moral reason in and of itself, not for breaking the marriage pact. She felt guilt because her feelings shifted.
Women.
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The priest also broke a pact. I suppose he too was swayed be momentary impulsive feelings to abandon his obligations.
Assuming any of this is real.
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I agree, it could have been a man. Men are also prone to giving in to passion and abandoning reason.
I also think there is a reason to believe men should be more obligated to their self-awareness of it, and why so much more of their self-regulation should be held at the individual level, while more structural and social means are required to deal with women's self-regulation. Another way of putting it would be that a society is likelier to function in a healthy way when a moral emphasis on accountability is maintained for men at the individual level, and at a social level for the regulation of women's behaviors.
One consequence of this is that complaints like my original comment, directed at women, are mostly futile. It's catharsis. Promoting female self-regulation doesn't happen at the level of bandying around reasonable opinions. A more tightly morally regulated male stratum of society is a necessary condition for achieving the regulated female level.
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And don’t think I didn’t see it and make clicky disapproving noises with my tongue while reading them.
It appears that with reapect to the big stuff—murder, theft, and even adultery and fornication— men are more frequently the offenders by a wide margin. They require higher levels of social regulation in the way of law enforcement than women, even if we are only talking about white men.
In fact is does. It also works for men. But maybe it works even better for women. What is required is repetition. People don’t change their minds when the truth is presented to them. They change their minds by being brainwashed through repetition.
But repeating “reasonable opinions” has the added allure of being true.
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The unique role of women in society generally means that if they want something, be it an object or the taking of another person's life, well, they can get men to do these things. The difference between male and female 'bad behavior' is striking in some regards, and the history of art, literature and music from just about every culture bears this out.
But one reason that we may just be starting to see a closing in the gap between women and men, even in these more traditionally male crimes, is because sociocultural structures for the regulation of female behaviors have only really begun to slacken for about 100 years or so, perhaps with more marginal liberation for about a century before that. I'd venture to say that pedophilia would probably have been considered an almost exclusively male crime not so long ago, but of course, the advent of the internet and cell phones has made it clear that far more women commit that crime than culture might have thought.
But even in this example you cite regarding male violent crime, most of that violent crime is directed against other men (yes, even acknowledging female rape and murder). That's because we expect men to handle themselves, as I said, and to be accountable to themselves at an individual level. We tell men to buck up, get strong, bulk up, learn to fight, learn to defend yourself, etc. Not only is someone likelier to come running if a woman screams, society punishes a man who hurts women more harshly than a man who hurts other men. The threat of violence has done more to protect men from one another than law enforcement ever has. While I can agree that law enforcement probably targets crimes that are commoner for men, this is precisely the reason why control of women has to happen at a total cultural level and not just a legalistic/bureaucratic level (like it can for men). Police don't regulate the kinds of socially harmful behaviors women engage in. Men's crimes are usually more blunt and straightforward and prone to the kinds of evidence that make policing what it is. Women are the primary reason men commit those crimes haha.
I hate everything about your view of the human mind, haha. On the one hand, you espouse strict behaviorism, but in the same breath you say reason can be effective. Women don't trade in moral reasons the way that men do. Men have grand moral ideas and they kill each other over them. Women pick up the tokens from whoever wins and they spread them. You can watch this from the level of high schools, up through nations.
You shouldn't compare yourself to most women. If you're being honest, what percentage of women out there really think and act the way you do?
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 2.9 yearsJun 10, 2022 02:57:16 ago (+0/-0)*
It’s really all the same. Exploitive behaviors in which one person deceives, defrauds, extorts, or harms another to get what they want— that’s what we’re talking about. And the little crimes/sins come from the same place as the big ones — personal benefit at someone else’s expense.
Now we have all committed small sins like telling a lie or cheating on a math test or picking on someone else and those things are not as bad as breaking and entering but the idea that men are only committing large crimes but not committing the smaller venial offenses that we don’t call the police over seems absurd. When men decide to behave selfishly, they only go big? I don’t believe it. And it doesn’t match my experience.
I think you guys watch too many movies. You would think we were all Bond girls that demand men jump in front of automobiles for kicks. Being a woman is hard. It is not pleasant and easy. Life often feels unfair to women because women cannot do all the things men can do. Women do not have all the advantages men do. This is true for men as well. Life is unfair. Men and women face different obstacles.
I think you are trying to say that women are portrayed as manipulative shrews by works that were 99% created by men. I’m not sure that’s a slam dunk. Jane Austen made this point 200 years ago. There might be something like a bias going on in all this cold hard evidence like operas and poems.
I don’t disagree. In fact I suspect women have been getting away with alot of crimes, like infantacide, child abuse, poisonings, elder abuse, for a long time. I still think it’s less than men and that men cheat more and steal more and lie more and kill more because the payoff for men is much greater if they can get away with it— because of differences in male and female reproduction.
This is a circular argument. Guys have to be more physically agressive because they are more likely to be attacked...by guys? The problem is that males tend to murder each other or steal from each other because it is a successful male reproductive strategy to knock out the competition and get more females. And males have been doing it this way —to a greater or lesser extent— for several hundred million years. Legacy genetics controlling male behavior is why men engage in higher levels of violence, resource hoarding etc. The payoffs for “cheating” are higher for males because females have a much lower limit on their reproductive potential. This is why males are more competitive over everything.
Men have to be controlled as much as women. Islamic societies are the perfect example of when men have too much control. Powerful men hoard all the women and treat them like dogs. Poor men have no access to women and have no stake in the status quo and are restive and criminal, and wealth disparity is tremendous. Males become corrupt if they get too much power. So do women.
Men go to war for the same reasons all male animals fight— to hoard more resources and more females. This is why black gangbangers shoot at each other in the hood. This is why NATO and Russia are fighting over Ukraine. It’s why Greece attacked Troy. Men fabricate motives like “ending slavery” or “restoring democracy” but it’s really over the ability to score more chicks. Women tend to gravitate toward consensus more readily, which is a solution to conflict which also has its drawbacks. But I don’t accept that women are more opportunistic or less honest with themselves than men. Men deceive themselves all the time on a grand scale. I feel you are cherry picking.
[ + ] GoldenAgeWhen
[ - ] GoldenAgeWhen 1 point 2.9 yearsJun 9, 2022 13:03:15 ago (+1/-0)
Breaking a personal moral code causes negative feelings as a reminder to not do it. If you live a moral life then you won't have these feelings of guilt. This also means that if you are a good person and you break your moral code it will really hurt you.
I think we are in agreement, I was just clarifying.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 2.9 yearsJun 9, 2022 14:18:45 ago (+0/-0)
Some people are genetically programmed to experience internal feelings of unpleasantness more frequently and with greater intensity at breaking a moral code. I feel guilty about killing bugs. I feel guilty about all kinds of dumb shit. Blacks don’t . Guilt is variable and it’s genetic. Same with all morals. There is variation within the white population and there is variation between races.
[ + ] big_fat_dangus
[ - ] big_fat_dangus 1 point 2.9 yearsJun 9, 2022 16:50:02 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 2.9 yearsJun 9, 2022 23:17:48 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] big_fat_dangus
[ - ] big_fat_dangus 1 point 2.9 yearsJun 10, 2022 03:30:23 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 2.9 yearsJun 10, 2022 03:45:08 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] big_fat_dangus
[ - ] big_fat_dangus 1 point 2.9 yearsJun 10, 2022 03:49:46 ago (+1/-0)
every comment is iMaGiNE iF mEn DiD It ThO
Uh huh.
[ + ] UncleDoug
[ - ] UncleDoug 0 points 2.9 yearsJun 10, 2022 03:56:24 ago (+0/-0)
If you are posting, I know you are going to use monogamy in a sentence somehow.
[ + ] Deleted
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[ + ] PostWallHelena
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[ + ] DonaldJTrump
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[ + ] ScheduledSuicide
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[ + ] PostWallHelena
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[ + ] GoldenAgeWhen
[ - ] GoldenAgeWhen 6 points 2.9 yearsJun 9, 2022 13:00:10 ago (+6/-0)
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[ + ] big_fat_dangus
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[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 2.9 yearsJun 9, 2022 21:57:19 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] big_fat_dangus
[ - ] big_fat_dangus 0 points 2.9 yearsJun 9, 2022 22:03:02 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] o0shad0o
[ - ] o0shad0o 0 points 2.9 yearsJun 9, 2022 12:16:01 ago (+2/-2)
[ + ] Joe_McCarthy
[ - ] Joe_McCarthy 0 points 2.9 yearsJun 9, 2022 15:11:22 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Scrimmmy
[ - ] Scrimmmy 0 points 2.9 yearsJun 9, 2022 14:21:00 ago (+0/-0)
Short answer, according to ecumenical law, he was well within his rights to involve the husband.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 2.9 yearsJun 9, 2022 15:37:28 ago (+1/-0)
There is no ecunemical law that allows a priest to violate the secrecy of the confessional. Priests are expected to maintain that discretion if threatened with torture or death or imprisonment.
Imagine how many catholic men have confessed to cheating on their wives in confession. Probably about a billion. A priest never reveals that. Ive never heard of a catholic priest ever doing such a thing. You are making up that the priest is “well within his rights”. The church is crystal fucking clear on it. What happens in confession stays in confession. I assume this would be grounds for defrocking, I don’t know for sure, but this is historically a very grievous violation of holy orders.
These are catholic rules. Catholic priests are barred from doing this. What else is there to say. He should have been a methodist if he wanted to spread everyone’s sins around town.
[ + ] big_fat_dangus
[ - ] big_fat_dangus 1 point 2.9 yearsJun 9, 2022 16:39:39 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Anus_Expander
[ - ] Anus_Expander 1 point 2.9 yearsJun 9, 2022 18:14:12 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] big_fat_dangus
[ - ] big_fat_dangus 1 point 2.9 yearsJun 9, 2022 18:18:54 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Scrimmmy
[ - ] Scrimmmy 0 points 2.9 yearsJun 9, 2022 21:40:11 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] diggernicks
[ - ] diggernicks 0 points 2.9 yearsJun 9, 2022 20:13:15 ago (+1/-1)
How about not being a human piece of trash in the first place?
Going to "confession" to absolve yourself of "sin" is pathetically weak
Besides the fact every donation to that church supports pedophilia
[ + ] Scrimmmy
[ - ] Scrimmmy 0 points 2.9 yearsJun 9, 2022 21:38:34 ago (+0/-0)
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[ + ] diggernicks
[ - ] diggernicks 0 points 2.9 yearsJun 9, 2022 20:10:41 ago (+1/-1)