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A video with a different hypothesis for the conflict in the Ukraine

submitted by AetherUser to Goats_on_Aether 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 15:46:33 ago (+4/-2)     (Goats_on_Aether)

Goats_on_Aether

You need an Aether client to follow the link. You can download one here:
https://getaether.net

The main thesis is that this is all about the "Heavenly Jerusalem Project".


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[ - ] localsal 3 points 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 17:46:32 ago (+4/-1)

It is an interesting video.

Typical kikes tho - God gave the kikes israel, but now they think the "real" israel is in Ukraine?? How?? Oh yeah, kike technicality bullshit. LMAO

Also, the video really exposes the truth about the kike population. The (((official))) population for kikes alive today is around 14million, yet the video says kike settlers will arrive in Ukraine - 6 million from israel and 12 million from Russia.... LMAO - the filthy kikes can't help but expose themselves.

I believe there are 100million kikes on the planet right now, the "missing" 84million are shapeshifting their way to destroy Whites.

[ - ] deleted 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 17:58:24 ago (+1/-1)

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[ - ] localsal 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 19:04:48 ago (+0/-0)

Very true.

And also shows how kikes are never satisfied. God gives them a homeland, and they grow weary of it?

The entire "slippery slope" phenomenon is probably due to kikes.

"We just want government out of our bedrooms"
"We just want gays to get married"
...
"We just want sex with kids to be legal"
"We just want to take any kid we want"
etc...

[ - ] cyclops1771 2 points 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 15:52:49 ago (+2/-0)

dont want to use Aether, but thanks for those who do.

Debated on downvoating for worthless to talk.lol, but it's n the right sub, so updoot

[ - ] AetherUser [op] 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 16:01:31 ago (+1/-0)

I think talk.lol prevents us from posting an Aether link. If it doesn't, you should see it in the line below:

aether://board/a570802f2c5f35dff6b47c2a5db8bb2eea65d1994ad18f038ac6c6599d8a6533/thread/52436f6e6423fb5cfccba02739378c9a0809879389296b32eb4e202af4476c5b

[ - ] deleted 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 16:45:12 ago (+1/-0)*

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[ - ] lord_nougat 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 17:03:08 ago (+1/-0)

Yeah, looks like it does nothing and there is nothing there.

Maybe there is something on there somewhere, but this post sure doesn't provide any inkling of a hint as to what it may be or how to get to it, and it's almost as infuriatingly stupid as trump's alleged hypothetical social app.

[ - ] AetherUser [op] 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 17:59:59 ago (+1/-0)

You might need to let the client find the network and become up-to-date. You might need to subscribe to some communities too. If you look at the status at the bottom left, you will hopefully be green and reaching the network. Check to see if you have some incoming connections.
By default, communities are NSFW, so you would need to include those in your search and try them too.

For example, check out:

/b/Vaccines
/b/Search
/b/Politics
/b/Science
/b/TechnologyNewsNetwork

etc

[ - ] AetherUser [op] 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 17:56:07 ago (+2/-1)

Sorry about that! The Sub / Community is /b/Politics
There is a Voat community /b/Voat

If you use the search tool and put in the ID
aether://board/f2c944108971c509c3718a43e8bc77d95d3591746241b6a490e537f00122d98d

And then "show NSFW Subs" you should see it.

[ - ] deleted 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 16:56:58 ago (+1/-0)

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[ - ] lord_nougat 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 17:03:42 ago (+1/-0)

I tried it and actually kind of wanted to for a moment there.

That moment has passed.

[ - ] deleted 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 17:20:33 ago (+1/-0)

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[ - ] AetherUser [op] 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 18:05:49 ago (+1/-0)

The default is that the content drops out of view after 6 months of no interaction. If people interact with the content, for example by replying, it gains another 6 months of viewing time. You can change the settings too, as it is Free Software.

Aether uses few resources. It is text only, so the bandwidth is minimal.

[ - ] AetherUser [op] 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 18:00:42 ago (+1/-0)

Haha! I hope you have another moment :)

[ - ] GloryBeckons 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 18:39:50 ago (+1/-0)

You need an Aether client to follow the link. You can download one here:

"To view this link you need to install this P2P botnet, which will use your computer and internet connection to store and upload whatever it likes, and exposes your IP to everyone else on the network."

Yeah, how about no. And fuck you. And get the fuck out of here with this shit.

[ - ] AetherUser [op] 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 19:07:43 ago (+0/-0)

You do realize that this Sub is for Goats on Aether, don't you? Presumably, people here would be totally fine with using the Aether client.

And why are people fine with Aether?

Peer-to-Peer - yes, that is right
Botnet - That is not true
The Aether client is the infrastructure
Aether is text only - you can verify this by auditing the code yourself
* It is very difficult to establish which Aether node belongs to whom

You seem OK with everybody on talk.lol exposing their IP address to the website owner.

[ - ] GloryBeckons 1 point 1.9 yearsMay 22, 2022 19:47:56 ago (+1/-0)

That is not a reasonable thing to presume at all. It assumes that merely seeing the term "Aether" magically imparts an understanding of the technology and its implications. Or that people will go digging through documentation for technical specs prior to hitting download and install. Both assumptions are false.

People will generally land here from /v/all, not knowing anything about Aether. Which you clearly know perfectly well, since you explain that they must download the client and even link to it, teasing with a morsel of content at the very end to tempt them in. But you fail to mention any of the risks or exposures.

Botnet was hyperbole, sure. But the rest is all true. A website owner seeing IPs is a single point of failure. All users seeing all IPs is clearly an order of magnitude more dangerous. Additionally, here people can anonymize their IP in the all the usual ways. Aether makes it difficult to use Tor with it, for example. Intentionally. By design.

The nature of its P2P model, and the vulnerabilities that it comes with, are fundamentally unsuitable for sharing or discussing things that may be subject to political persecution. Which is what this place is all about. Aether is no place for Goats. No more than the bottom of the ocean.

So why are you shilling for it here at all?

Especially since the content is text only. That means you could have just posted the video link here. Why force people to download something like that, just to view a text based link? Why lure goats into using something that is not suitable for goats?

You're glowing brighter than a nigger that went for a swim in reactor coolant.

[ - ] MagicMushroom 0 points 1.9 yearsMay 23, 2022 10:06:50 ago (+0/-0)

Thanks for looking at Aether.

People who advocate for Aether usually do so on engineering grounds. It is purposefully designed to acquire as little information as possible from you, to grant you as much Freedom as possible, under its GNU Affero General Public Licence v3.0, https://getaether.net/opensource/ and to permit you as much Free Speech as is possible under the United States 1st Amendment. It helps support Free Speech through sustaining Anonymity on a distributed network.

The main argument being put forward is the huge advantage of a distributed system. Talk.lol is not distributed, and unfortunately, like searchvoat.co, its days are therefore numbered. You mention that you use TOR. That is good, but unfortunately, TOR also suffers the same flaw: it relies upon a centralized authority to administer the DHTs (Distributed Hash Tables). By the same reasoning, I suggest that you look instead at i2p, which does not have that weakness, and monitor developments in work on Lokinet, another excellent protocol with latency low enough to stream video:

https://geti2p.net/
https://lokinet.org/

You falsely argue that Aether needs to know everybody's IP address. There is a page dedicated to Privacy here: https://getaether.net/docs/faq/how_private_is_aether/ Your node will only need to know one IP address to connect to the Aether network.

Aether is not designed to be so secure that it can protect you against state actors, i2p might be a better choice for that. It is designed to be "good enough" for most people. Certainly, if you are content with logging into talk.lol then you should be OK with Aether. Please take a look at the documentation.

I am not sure why you think Aether deliberately makes it difficult to use with TOR. It works fine, I think, and runs well with a VPN. It is a bit technical, but you can take a look at Aether's protocol, an implementation of c0/Mim, here:
https://getaether.net/mim-docs/#mim-protocol-v01

On Aether, the more users there are, the greater the anonymity and that means better protection for most people against political persecution. The principles behind this are explained in the privacy link. That is why people recommend trying Aether, because it is far stronger in this regard than the current platform voat has on http.

Sadly, the vast majority of people, even Goats, only care about content. I can understand that. A few more care about the user interface. Far, far behind is concern about the engineering of the platform. If posting Aether links helps people get used to using it, then I think that is OK. You don't mind people posting .onion links, do you?

Before talk.lol is taken down, I hope everybody here is familiar with Aether and regularly posting there. It is a strong platform for our community.

[ - ] GloryBeckons 1 point 1.9 yearsMay 23, 2022 17:36:11 ago (+1/-0)*

Aether is not designed to be so secure that it can protect you against state actors

I disagree with several things you say and claim, but this is really the core of the issue.

Unfortunately, state actors are precisely the threat which those who wish to engage in truly free speech have to worry about. Which means Aether is useless for protecting free speech. The technology is fine for discussing state approved opinions and trivialities. But it is not suitable for topics which are subjected to political persecution.

Not only does it fail to protect your identity, but it makes it easier to uncover it. You don't even need to be a state actor, contrary to their repeated claims. Anyone with sufficient motivation and time could stand up a few dozen nodes on cheap VPS or cloud services and use them to unmask and track users on the network over time. To obtain similar information from a traditional website you would need a subpoena.

That is not better protection. It is worse.

I am not sure why you think Aether deliberately makes it difficult to use with TOR

Because they say so themselves. On the page you link to yourself:

"Not only that Aether does not primarily serve a user base that would require Tor as a pre-requisite for using Aether, it _especially_ does not serve people who need graphical UI tools to configure Tor support"

Inconvenience by design. Illogical rationalization. Sketchy.

Your node will only need to know one IP address to connect to the Aether network.

That is not true and doesn't even make sense. That would make it centralized. It is explicitly a decentralized P2P network. You may only need the IP of one peer for the initial connection to the network. But, once that is established, you will connect to other peers and exchange content.

Talk.lol is not distributed, and unfortunately, like searchvoat.co, its days are therefore numbered.

Aether is ephemeral. Content is pruned constantly. Talk.lol has already outlived everything that was on Aether when it launched.

If posting Aether links helps people get used to using it, then I think that is OK.

It's not OK at all, because people shouldn't be using it. At least not for anything they wouldn't post on Reddit or Twitter or Facebook.

You don't mind people posting .onion links, do you?

I would actually mind that. Same as I mind people who only post archive.ph links without providing the real link.

Forcing your favorite toy on other people, or else barring them from the content you are baiting them with, is narcissistic and creepy. Put your super extra special link in the description if you like. But the main link had better be something universally accessible, without any artificial barriers.

[ - ] MagicMushroom 0 points 1.9 yearsMay 24, 2022 15:16:43 ago (+0/-0)

[ - ] deleted 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 17:13:43 ago (+2/-1)*

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[ - ] MagicMushroom 2 points 1.9 yearsMay 23, 2022 09:06:38 ago (+2/-0)

Hi! Lets have a look at this.

Please visit the page here and scroll to the bottom:
https://getaether.net/docs/aether_links_on_the_web/

You should be able to see some clickable Aether links there, for example:

@b - The link to maintainer's Aether ID
Crypto community - The link to a Crypto community on Aether

If you click on one of those, your web-browser might open a dialogue asking you which Application to use to open aether:// links. If you select Aether, that might automate the process in future.

I think that the issue that we ran into here is that the links were posted in plain-text rather than as clickable URLs.

Oh, just below there it also says:

" There will eventually be an Aether web viewer, so you should be able to link to Aether posts without the recipient needing to install the app."

The work on that, AetherPro, has very largely been completed, but has not yet been integrated into the main Aether application.

I hope this helps.

[ - ] IfuckedYerMum 2 points 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 17:37:51 ago (+2/-0)

WHY OP DIDN'T JUST POST THAT FUCKING LINK IN THE FIRST PLACE IS A GOOD QUESTION, I VOTE TO DECAPITATE OP IMMEDIATELY
Because his entire purpose here is to push aether, a DOA app.

[ - ] deleted 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 17:40:43 ago (+1/-0)

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[ - ] AetherUser [op] 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 18:12:19 ago (+0/-0)

Aether isn't Dead On Arrival. Far from it. On the otherhand, an http site like this one is doomed, in the same way voat.co was and in the same way the chans were doomed, and in the same way that DailyStormer is hounded from domain to domain.

I want Voat to prosper and grow into something bigger. If it keeps having the rug pulled out from under it, it will be kept small. You can have a permanent infrastructure with Aether, anonymity and Free Speech.

If you have just started playing with the interface, there are bound to be some teething problems.

I hope you go over to Aether and give it a try.

[ - ] IfuckedYerMum 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 18:37:04 ago (+1/-1)

I already gave it a try, and it's dead.

[ - ] AetherUser [op] 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 18:44:32 ago (+0/-0)

Really? Which communities there did you join? Did you even post anything?

[ - ] MagicMushroom 1 point 1.9 yearsMay 23, 2022 08:17:38 ago (+1/-0)

Thanks for posting that screenshot of Aether. It is helpful in many ways:


It shows the elegance of the Aether interface
It looks like you have subscribed to only one community on Aether: /b/Goats_from_Voat. You won't find very much content at all like that. This may be a reason why some people have said "there is nothing there". Try subscribing to some additional communities.
For example, you could join /b/Politics, the community with that post.
In "Status" at the bottom left, you can see a yellow light. Hopefully, that has now changed to green. If not, it will take quite a bit longer to receive fresh content. Click on Status to see inbound connections. You might need to let Aether through a firewall or something.

[ - ] AetherUser [op] 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 17:51:07 ago (+1/-1)

Thank you so much, @blumen4alles. This is a very good suggestion!

[ - ] deleted 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 17:56:15 ago (+1/-0)

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[ - ] AetherUser [op] 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 18:19:55 ago (+0/-0)

That was an intelligent thing to do. I hope you spend more time on Aether! You would like it.

[ - ] AetherUser [op] 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 18:53:24 ago (+1/-1)

I see it as trying to keep Voat alive. Some Goats are becoming accustomed even resigned to having their platform sunk every couple of years.

That is neither necessary nor desirable, and I find it unacceptable. Voat should move onto firm ground. We need a sturdy, stable, durable, anonymous, Free platform, and since Aether's infrastructure consists of the community that use it, I can't see a better choice at the moment.

I am not referring to you or the others in this thread here, but the longer I have looked at this situation, the more I think Goats are followers like people on Reddit. This is a surprise to me, but a lot of people just want others to provide content for them and sit back and "watch the TV". That is a pretty sad state of affairs considering what a place Voat is.

[ - ] AetherUser [op] 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 18:02:58 ago (+0/-0)

This sub is for Goats interested in Aether. They might be curious to try it. Your feedback was helpful. I suppose I ought to have posted the direct link too, next time!

[ - ] lord_nougat 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 16:59:06 ago (+0/-0)

No results found for 'Goats_on_Aether'. A shorter query might help.

Neat.

[ - ] deleted 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 17:14:36 ago (+0/-0)

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[ - ] AetherUser [op] 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 18:17:56 ago (+0/-0)

Thanks for looking. It is a bit confusing, due to inconsistency with naming conventions.

The main Voat community on Aether is /b/Voat

aether://board/f2c944108971c509c3718a43e8bc77d95d3591746241b6a490e537f00122d98d
/b/Voat, like all communities, is NSFW by default, so you would need to search in Communities for that and also check the "Search NSFW".

There is also a community started by the same person who created this sub here:

/b/Goats_from_Voat
aether://board/b44748cb19abf439800d6b0e9f84aca2d12e358d9c75f7665f5197443c41482a

[ - ] lord_nougat 0 points 1.9 yearsMay 22, 2022 20:45:03 ago (+0/-0)

Okay, I saw that. But for some reason you specified "Goats-on_Aether" which is apparently nothing, wasting a whole bunch of time searching for something that doesn't exist. Are you trying to actually discourage the use of aether?

[ - ] yesiknow 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 22, 2022 16:26:21 ago (+0/-0)

Did anyone not think globalism was about "one race, the jewish race, one religion, the jewish religion, one nation israel all else serve"????

Did anyone think the nutty fundamentalist religion wouldn't be wiped out to extinction for what they've done?