there will only be a slow progression into tyranny and 3rd world-ism. We are being turned into Venezuela, in a slow progression of immigration and gubmint growth.
Things are getting pretty fucked up. Kero is almost eight bucks here(i usually fill my heating tank throughout the summer). I am expecting the empty shelves talk to really pick up speed.
I get this sentiment, and if nothing else works, let's do this.
However, we built the old systems. Designed, built, maintained, fueled, everything. Why should we run away from everything we built and put generations of our effort into? So we can do it all again from scratch? So they can move into the new stuff and take it in 5, 10, 20 years? Then what? Run away and let them have everything again?
I find this option unpalatable compared to just eradicating all of them and keeping everything WE built.
Because they will always come again for whatever it is, wherever it is, whenever it is, you build anything else. They will always keep coming. As long as they exist.
We will need to do this to an extent, to get away from their poison temporarily. But once we do, we have to do it with the understanding that we will be fighting a war on fronts we don't even understand yet soon, and we need to be preparing for that.
That summer where it was covid + blm insurrections was absolutely SHTF and it did not play out at all like we thought it would. Not trying to blackpill but that was it and we didn't rise to the occasion.
The riots were localized to shit-hole democrat zones, these same zones are still shit-holes after the riots and were shit-holes before the riots. During the peak of riots and shoe store thefts, when I opened my door all I heard was crickets and the sound of children laughing.
It's important to understand a lot of the instigators and camera operators were in on it. The fake news WANTED to film the worst of the chaos to try to play it off like this is dissatisfaction with Trump himself. It's no surprise that as the cameras drifted you saw more estranged white people in skinny jeans than black people in their own riots. Real businesses burnt down, real people died and and were assaulted, but this was a funded event. It's no different than when the CIA constructs "uprisings" in other countries to rebel leadership they dislike. Absolutely no different, and they money they paid them with was stolen in the first place. And the corporations who donated just had their money funneled into the democrat party.
Here are the good takeaways. From the imagery alone, more Americans' than ever bought firearms and ammo. More Americans than every got their conceal carry license. Ammo was selling so fast we had the first ammo shortage in decades. No stunt goes without consequences. Millions learned the truth about firearm responsibility and firearm safety and important by consequence of an orchestrated and funded attack by the real domestic terrorists.
So here's the thing. The crazy stuff is always going to be focused in cities because they are population and cultural centers, history supports this statement. That's one reason why they're dem-run shitholes, because they know this.
Also when I opened my front door, I didn't see crickets, I saw fires and teargas and antifa flags being marched down my street because I was in the middle of it. There's even a news video of one of the riots after it happened and you can see me in the background. I'm not getting my ideas from what I saw on the news, I was there.
I got to see firsthand how our side reacted in a SHTF situation. There were a very small number who got out and were vocal, a slightly larger number who got out and weren't sure what to do, and the larger numbers laid low and waited for it to end.
I'm not demoralizing here, I'm saying this is what we can expect people to do in the next SHTF situation and we should plan with that in mind. The predictions we made about us reaching a breaking point were fantasy, because the reality is uncomfortable and frightening.
I think that Trump having the election stolen will trigger a bigger meltdown from people on our side next time around. However, they might be banking on that as I think Trump is likely controlled opposition.
I started to think this way once I noticed the jews did 9/11 references in Kyle Rittenhouse and Gabby Petito. But finding out that Back to the Future is basically jews did 9/11 the movie blew my mind.
Not to mention that there were plenty of places where mostly White dudes stood the streets with guns while the BLM niggers walked on by. Not gonna see much of that on television, but there's a few places that did that near me.
Right. Because this isn't a movie. Even look at Ukraine - they are in a hot war and there are plenty of places in the country that are tense but life is normal. This stuff happens in the cities because they are population and cultural centers, power changes hands, and then the effects are felt over time as norms change and spread out to the kind of areas you're talking about.
I think that would be huge, and it wouldn't even take that many. 100 guys with fire extinguishers and a strong sense of presence would have made a huge difference, even in a hotspot like I experienced. If it's nigger-heavy like chicago you might need more and better armed men, but for most of these you don't need an army by any means.
I get what you're saying but my point isn't to lecture us for being bitches, it's that one thing was predicted and it didn't match what happened and we should learn from that and not expect those kinds of fantasies to save us.
I did see a few instances in smaller towns where they were expecting antifa and the sheriff and citizens made an armed show of force together, so I guess that's a good example. They were successful too, antifa left them alone. But that was also a defensive play, good for that town and kept them at status quo but it didn't gain us anything which I think also matters.
I think I am 50/50 on this. Yes the BLM riots were a bit SHTF, but on the other hand, the riots were localized to certain areas and I think most rational people realized it would burn itself out. Most people knew if they were anywhere right of center and had taken action, when things calmed down they would be prosecuted and crushed(while BLMers got a free ride).
It will always happen in certain areas, population and cultural centers. It's like playing king of the hill - the cities are the hill.
While people waited for it to burn itself out precedents were set, police demographics and norms were changed, statues were pulled down, and one side got to feel empowered while the other felt like they were at their mercy and needed to hide from it all.
Those are the terms of this fight, and that's how it played out.
I mean that's what SHTF looks like and all the predictions of what our side would do when that happened weren't realistic because they didn't materialize. This can be a learning moment or you can bitch about me recognizing that fact your choice.
Communism is a pyramid scheme, it eats itself. The only reason it exists in the world is because there are non communist countries to leach from and flee to when the collapse happens.
If communism can capture the entire world, there is nowhere to leach from or flee to. The collapse is inevitable in that closed system. It is unsustainable.
It may not be the DotR you wish for. But it's the one we're gonna get. The shit will hit that fan, causing an overloaded circuit which will burn the world to the ground.
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I do agree with the communists a bit in that communism doesn't exist and or never has. Largely because it is unimplementable. Hayek wen't into details why communism is logistically implausible. You can only hurt yourself chasing an impossibility. So because communism doesn't exist, never has, and never will, the only thing that exists is excuses for totalitarianism. Totalitarianism is happy to exist for its own ends and doesn't need to leach off of non-communist countries to continue existing and being shitty because the country itself is non-communist except by label.
An analogy. Is it a good idea to swim an olympic lap in lava? No one has ever done it so the world does not yet know. Claims that those who have swum laps in lava must only be able to continue to do so by draining life force of those who haven't is silly because there is no such thing as someone who has swum an full lap in lava.
There are no communist countries. Only countries that have offed themselves and countries that have made compromises to only be severely wounded instead.
By the time anyone summons up the gall to step up to the plate for real, the damage will have become so immense that it would be very difficult to resist, and the level of violence required to undo what could be undone will be do much greater as well, also there's going to be lasting damage from all this that will never go away, never, and the longer we wait, the more it will accumulate until there's nothing left to recover.
Just go peacefully to your assigned pod and eat the bugs, and report for work in the morning and everything will be OK. Trust me, I'm from the Government.
"turned"? In the 70s, while in my 20s I was military, then a contractor in a few 3rd world countries. Places where renting a fancy house with a gardener and housekeeper for $100 or less a month was common. When i worked in San Diego, CA a couple of my co-workers lived in Tijuana in big houses with beautiful live-in 'housekeepers'. Thanks to NAFTA and big corps out-sourcing too many jobs overseas has brought the US down to a 3rd world economy. The only difference, which is quickly changing, is the govt and judicial system being so blatantly corrupt.
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However, we built the old systems. Designed, built, maintained, fueled, everything. Why should we run away from everything we built and put generations of our effort into? So we can do it all again from scratch? So they can move into the new stuff and take it in 5, 10, 20 years? Then what? Run away and let them have everything again?
I find this option unpalatable compared to just eradicating all of them and keeping everything WE built.
Because they will always come again for whatever it is, wherever it is, whenever it is, you build anything else. They will always keep coming. As long as they exist.
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It's important to understand a lot of the instigators and camera operators were in on it. The fake news WANTED to film the worst of the chaos to try to play it off like this is dissatisfaction with Trump himself. It's no surprise that as the cameras drifted you saw more estranged white people in skinny jeans than black people in their own riots. Real businesses burnt down, real people died and and were assaulted, but this was a funded event. It's no different than when the CIA constructs "uprisings" in other countries to rebel leadership they dislike. Absolutely no different, and they money they paid them with was stolen in the first place. And the corporations who donated just had their money funneled into the democrat party.
Here are the good takeaways. From the imagery alone, more Americans' than ever bought firearms and ammo. More Americans than every got their conceal carry license. Ammo was selling so fast we had the first ammo shortage in decades. No stunt goes without consequences. Millions learned the truth about firearm responsibility and firearm safety and important by consequence of an orchestrated and funded attack by the real domestic terrorists.
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Also when I opened my front door, I didn't see crickets, I saw fires and teargas and antifa flags being marched down my street because I was in the middle of it. There's even a news video of one of the riots after it happened and you can see me in the background. I'm not getting my ideas from what I saw on the news, I was there.
I got to see firsthand how our side reacted in a SHTF situation. There were a very small number who got out and were vocal, a slightly larger number who got out and weren't sure what to do, and the larger numbers laid low and waited for it to end.
I'm not demoralizing here, I'm saying this is what we can expect people to do in the next SHTF situation and we should plan with that in mind. The predictions we made about us reaching a breaking point were fantasy, because the reality is uncomfortable and frightening.
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I did see a few instances in smaller towns where they were expecting antifa and the sheriff and citizens made an armed show of force together, so I guess that's a good example. They were successful too, antifa left them alone. But that was also a defensive play, good for that town and kept them at status quo but it didn't gain us anything which I think also matters.
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Specifically areas they wanted destroyed so that certain banks and interests could buy them out.
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While people waited for it to burn itself out precedents were set, police demographics and norms were changed, statues were pulled down, and one side got to feel empowered while the other felt like they were at their mercy and needed to hide from it all.
Those are the terms of this fight, and that's how it played out.
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If communism can capture the entire world, there is nowhere to leach from or flee to. The collapse is inevitable in that closed system. It is unsustainable.
It may not be the DotR you wish for. But it's the one we're gonna get. The shit will hit that fan, causing an overloaded circuit which will burn the world to the ground.
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An analogy. Is it a good idea to swim an olympic lap in lava? No one has ever done it so the world does not yet know. Claims that those who have swum laps in lava must only be able to continue to do so by draining life force of those who haven't is silly because there is no such thing as someone who has swum an full lap in lava.
There are no communist countries. Only countries that have offed themselves and countries that have made compromises to only be severely wounded instead.
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did u just assume HIS gender, you goddamn bigot??
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But, you said "god!" That triggered my atheist feelings and sense of self-worth!
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