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What is your opinion on making downvotes visible to the person voted on?

submitted by system to IdeasForTalk 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:03:06 ago (+11/-6)     (IdeasForTalk)

Someone brought this up and I kinda like the idea. How do you feel about it?


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[ - ] account deleted by user 0 points 2 yearsMay 6, 2022 21:44:53 ago (+0/-0)

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[ - ] HughBriss 8 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 23:59:49 ago (+8/-0)*

I chimed in on this the last time it was suggested, and I think it's a very bad idea. It will have a chilling effect on how users upvote and downvote. I don't want MY OPINION of the worth of someone else's comment being made public.

If this happens, I won't upvote or downvote anything ever again.

This is Poal level faggotry. Please don't do this.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 8 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:32:32 ago (+9/-1)

It sucks. Why would you do that?

[ - ] system [op] 3 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:38:56 ago (+5/-2)

I always thought it would be a good feature on voat.co and someone brought it up recently. To be honest I don't really care either way, I am just trying to get back in the swing of things working on the site and this one wouldn't be too hard to implement.

[ - ] we_kill_creativity 5 points 2 yearsApr 30, 2022 08:10:09 ago (+6/-1)

Is there something wrong with the upvote/downvote system as it is? If not, why fix what isn't broken. On top of that, Poal did this, so it's probably a bad idea.

What would even be the upside to being able to see who downvoted you? Considering retards here have the maturity of teenage girls I can only see this adding unnecessary drama, which we already have more than enough of.

But seriously, you say you thought it would be a good feature. I'm genuinely curious why? Because I can see no upside.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 3 points 2 yearsApr 30, 2022 10:25:54 ago (+3/-0)

Well said.

[ - ] RomeoCasanova 3 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:53:34 ago (+3/-0)

Sticky your post please.

[ - ] rage 0 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:56:25 ago (+1/-1)

This. @System

[ - ] UncleDoug 1 point 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 23:06:03 ago (+2/-1)

Isn't this akin to what AOU suggested recently?

Users shouldn't be dictated to what is deemed acceptable behaviour.

The premise is voter transparency and accountability. The reality is reducing forum engagement and activity by minimising user anonyminity.

The positive is we can see all the losers downvoting every post we make, the negative is that it's probably an alt and disposable and doesn't do anything to solve the situation of subversives with alt accounts.

[ - ] diggernicks 2 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 23:22:08 ago (+2/-0)

Are you lauding gay-ou?

[ - ] deleted -1 points 2 yearsApr 30, 2022 10:22:39 ago (+0/-1)

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[ - ] PostWallHelena 3 points 2 yearsApr 30, 2022 10:27:14 ago (+3/-0)

Haha dic pic or GTFO.

[ - ] deleted 7 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 23:58:48 ago (+7/-0)

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[ - ] PeckerwoodPerry 6 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:36:20 ago (+7/-1)

That would certainly make things interesting. I don't think it's a good idea to make it so people are worried about downvoating though, and what about people who lurk and vote but would prefer not to get drawn into the pissing contest that never seems to end?

[ - ] SmokeyMeadow 4 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:27:42 ago (+4/-0)

So then we could accidentally downvote the same as someone's enemy, and get fingered for being an alt of that person.

[ - ] rage -1 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:30:53 ago (+1/-2)

Silly argument. Nobody would take that scenario seriously.

Now, if you and another account downvote the same things with 99% accuracy.. over hundreds of downvotes.. do you really think this scenario is realistically likely?

You're strawmanning hard, man.

[ - ] SmokeyMeadow 3 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 23:26:20 ago (+4/-1)

Making a one sentence comment isn't doing anything "hard" at all, let alone strawmanning. What I said was not an argument, but simply an observation. This site is full of schizos, and it's a safe bet the quickest way to end up on their respective shit lists is to downvote them. Introduce this feature and people will think twice about downvoting someone, because that person might be a nut and target them for vengeance. If the downvote button were to count as speech, this feature would suppress that speech. Therefore it's a bad idea. At least if the site stands for free speech.

I would say the fact that you added some caveat to my scenario that would excuse its use for targeting people as acceptable (99% accurate?) would tend to prove it's a very bad idea. What if two unrelated people of roughly the same life experience and ideology sat on all/new and downvoted roughly the same thing every day? Would their responses to obvious bait and trolls in the form of downvoting that nonsense not easily get them branded as alts?

I like the option to read through an argument, upvote the person I agree with and downvote the one I hate, and not get dragged any further into anyone's web pissing match. You're welcome to try and sway my opinion with an actual argument, if you think this feature would serve the site well. To me it just seems like it would cause more problems.

[ - ] Fascinus 3 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 23:44:33 ago (+3/-0)

Give a man a mask and he’ll tell you the truth.

― Oscar Wilde

[ - ] SmokeyMeadow 3 points 2 yearsApr 30, 2022 08:11:30 ago (+3/-0)

I just want to know what the benefit of this feature would be. What would be good about knowing who downvotes us? I couldn't tell you the last time I looked at a downvote and cared who gave it to me. Who is getting downvoted so much that they have to wonder or even care where the votes come from? This reeks as an idea by one of the screeching tards who are always whining to system about this or that petty squabble. There's literally nothing it could be used for other than revenge.

[ - ] we_kill_creativity -1 points 2 yearsMay 1, 2022 14:15:48 ago (+0/-1)

I've read through this whole thread and the ONLY positive I've seen that makes sense to me is that it would expose, if not end, downvote brigading. I'm not convinced at all that that positive outweighs all the negatives to me.

Once again, I thought old voat had this issue figured out pretty nicely. The only thing we're missing here is just the numbers of people we had on old voat. It was never perfect, and never would be, but the systems we had in place there seemed to work fine enough for what we were all there to do: engage in free speech and stop the suppression of it.

This is just my observation, but it seems like the % of old voat that spent their time figuring out was JDIF and who was legit and calling each other feds made up 10% of old voat but 50% here. They serve a purpose, but it's a different one than mine and most other people.

Most places on the internet suffer from having to many people, but I think this place is suffering from not having enough, and the fact that about half the people that half the people here are what I'll call "the shitposting brigade" is probably what's keeping the high quality content posters away.

[ - ] SmokeyMeadow 0 points 2 yearsMay 1, 2022 16:16:30 ago (+0/-0)

I would argue that downvote brigading is not enough of a concern on a small site like this, certainly not enough to sacrifice anonymity. The people pushing for this aren't having important threads or must-see comments buried. They're just getting their little feelings hurt and are now chopping at the bit to get some revenge. I'd like to see several examples of good content that got hidden by a "brigade." There would need to be hundreds of instances of it happening for there to even be a ghost of a justification for this.

I read downthread that system thinks the main squabbles of this will carry out over PM. How can he be so naïve? I will tell you exactly what's going to happen: Someone will get downvoted, then go and downvote rape the person who did it, and the victim will come screaming to the admin to have these bad downvotes wiped. Get ready for dozens of ping threads and people crying because "so and so downvoted me, he's clearly a shill."

Fuck this idea.

[ - ] we_kill_creativity 0 points 2 yearsMay 1, 2022 18:13:20 ago (+0/-0)

Right, I asked system somewhere in the thread what exactly is so wrong with things here as it is? Then I went on to say basically what you just said. I will admit that I CAN see how it could have positive effects with voting, but even that's not a give and to me it doesn't outweigh the obvious negatives that would come with such a change, like things you just described.

Having said all that...I just find the push for this to be very inorganic. I'm here a lot and involved with the community here decently even off this site. I've never heard anyone ask for this, let alone a ton of people. It's odd.

[ - ] deleted 2 points 2 yearsApr 30, 2022 10:20:47 ago (+2/-0)

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[ - ] oldblo 3 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 23:34:51 ago (+3/-0)

Uhh I would say nay on that. Sounds like a fine way to stir up drama and anon votes has its merits.
The intent behind making them visible could also be avoided by just making alts too.
I could go either way really. A person should ideally be unashamed of their stance.

[ - ] RomeoCasanova 3 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:32:47 ago (+3/-0)

Prepare for an influx of spamniggers, the return of @Try and @Joe_McCathy, several more goats will likely leave, and most importantly...lots and lots of drama.

[ - ] Master_Foo 3 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:06:39 ago (+3/-0)

Just make the downgoaters visible to everyone. That way everyone knows who the Jews are.

[ - ] NationalSocialism 0 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:15:31 ago (+0/-0)

I agree.

[ - ] rage 3 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:21:09 ago (+4/-1)

In general, the only people who disagree with the idea of making downvotes visible are the bad actors that rely on the anonymity for their behavior.

It's much harder to run your sockpuppets, alt voting brigades, forum sliding campaigns, etc.. if people can observe downvote behavior.

[ - ] rage -2 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:14:13 ago (+0/-2)

"Voting transparency" from OG Voat. Never got implemented because the inmates ran the asylum.

It works great on Poal.

It would create a lot of frustration for the subversive bad actors on Voat.

Absolutely make downvotes visible for all if you wish to see this space change it's trajectory from circling the drain.

[ - ] diggernicks 7 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:19:54 ago (+7/-0)

It works great on poal

Nigger

You best be joking

[ - ] rage -3 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:21:57 ago (+0/-3)

You are a perfect example of why autistic babies should be left in the woods for the feral animals to eat.

[ - ] diggernicks 2 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:23:28 ago (+2/-0)

Id watch that mutual of omaha special

Now thats entertainment!

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:35:46 ago (+0/-0)

Dang you are old.

[ - ] rage 0 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:41:51 ago (+0/-0)

He's Perknose ghost.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:51:42 ago (+0/-0)

Youre an old fart too I see!

[ - ] rage 0 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:54:51 ago (+0/-0)

Either that, or a student of history.

The world may never know.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 23:56:30 ago (+0/-0)

Lol, oh...
Have it your way.

[ - ] big_fat_dangus 0 points 2 yearsApr 30, 2022 00:27:52 ago (+0/-0)

Look who's talking.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 2 yearsApr 30, 2022 00:47:54 ago (+1/-0)

Maybe its not so healthy that you’re obsessed with me then.

[ - ] big_fat_dangus 0 points 2 yearsApr 30, 2022 00:55:25 ago (+0/-0)

Time passed while you were writing that comment. You're now even older. SAD!

[ - ] Redhairin 1 point 2 yearsApr 30, 2022 23:44:31 ago (+1/-0)

I don't know how it works great on Poal when one can only downvote "spam" or else get chided by the mod.

[ - ] diggernicks 3 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:05:26 ago (+3/-0)

Internet points dont matter

Only homosexual niggers seek adulation from random strangers online

Get back to reddit where you belong

[ - ] system [op] 1 point 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:08:41 ago (+3/-2)

I could remove the points but then it's just a basic message board, not as exciting.

[ - ] diggernicks 6 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:10:37 ago (+6/-0)

Just reminds me of adding gambling to pro sports...

Kind of degenerate

Isn't watching two teams compete on a level playing field exciting enough?

They had to add wagering shekels to pump it up?

[ - ] system [op] 1 point 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:12:32 ago (+3/-2)

If enough people want to try it we can try it.

[ - ] s23erdctfvyg 1 point 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 23:00:58 ago (+1/-0)

The voting system is more an easy way of keeping the spergs in line. Best example is joe, people downvote his porn posts, and then he leaves for a good few months to go bother other sites.

[ - ] rage -1 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:12:20 ago (+0/-1)

You won't be able to have a serious conversation with diggernigger, and you should know this by now. He's just entropy.

[ - ] diggernicks 1 point 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:14:52 ago (+1/-0)

Fuck yeah!

Force of nature!

[ - ] dwb3 -1 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:19:00 ago (+0/-1)

Hes been on an internet point tirade all night, well before this post. Its funny to me how this topic is being brought up and not a number of other ones.

Not haha funny either.

[ - ] system [op] 1 point 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:21:19 ago (+2/-1)

and not a number of other ones.

Like what

[ - ] diggernicks 2 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:22:31 ago (+2/-0)

Space jews

[ - ] dwb3 0 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:24:34 ago (+1/-1)

Seems to me theres a sort of troon discord brigade going on.

[ - ] rage -2 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:24:01 ago (+0/-2)

What other topics?

This is probably the singular biggest way to improve Voat's user participation, because it disincentivizes the faggots who abuse downvotes to run people off the site entirely.

[ - ] dwb3 1 point 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:26:34 ago (+2/-1)

Personally i dont mind. I wouldnt mind saying ive downvoated blumen like 5 times tonight and hes probably butthurt and for some reason an entire post had been made because of it.

[ - ] rage -2 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:28:24 ago (+0/-2)

Ok. You didn't answer the question.

[ - ] dwb3 -1 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:31:05 ago (+0/-1)

Well i did, just in a different post to someone who matters.

[ - ] rage 0 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:33:04 ago (+0/-0)

I assure you, I'm terribly offended.

[ - ] dwb3 -1 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:34:42 ago (+0/-1)

I didn't mean to. I never mean to hurt anyones feelings. Im sorry.

[ - ] rage 1 point 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:36:15 ago (+1/-0)

It's OK, we can still be frenemies.

[ - ] Redhairin 0 points 2 yearsApr 30, 2022 23:39:59 ago (+0/-0)

If internet points don't matter, then neither does upvotes or downvotes....all of which I am in total agreement with. 'Gold' didn't mean shit to me way back when on reddit, nor does ego strokes or birdies here.

[ - ] diggernicks 0 points 2 yearsApr 30, 2022 23:44:10 ago (+0/-0)

You should off yourself for ever lurking reddit

[ - ] HowDoYouDoFellowNiggers 1 point 2 yearsApr 30, 2022 13:38:24 ago (+1/-0)

Good experiment

[ - ] rage 2 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:11:18 ago (+3/-1)*

If diggernicks doesn't like it, I immediately like it. He's a old crotchety salty boomer faggot who probably has some alts himself.

Even if diggernicks didn't like it, it would solve multiple problems currently preventing the growth of this site - for example, targetted downvoating would immediately be visible for the entire community to see. The community could self police, since nobody would have to take anyone elses word for it and would be able to quantify it with their own eyes. Sure, this will cause some short-term drama, but when the dust settles it would (probably) improve the content and behavior simultaneously.

People who abuse alts would, subsequently, be much easier to identify by the community.

I could go on, but the reality is downvotes being visible (AKA voting transparency from OG voat that was suggested but never got implemented) would allow the community to self-police and would disincentivize bad actors.

In general, the people who dislike this idea are the bad actors. I've never heard a single solid good argument against this idea.

In short.. do it.

[ - ] diggernicks 4 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:21:33 ago (+4/-0)

I never have and never will use alts

You fags get your panties all twisted into knots whenever multiple people disagree with you

Grow up and stop taking the internet so serious

[ - ] rage -2 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:29:27 ago (+0/-2)

So what you're saying is, you'd be OK with downvotes being visible because you've got nothing to hide.

[ - ] diggernicks 4 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:31:32 ago (+4/-0)

Man, you are sharp as a bowling ball

Have you thought about using your skills of deduction as a private investigator or perhaps police detective?

[ - ] rage -2 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:32:26 ago (+0/-2)

Depends on when I get aROUND to it.

[ - ] diggernicks 2 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:35:36 ago (+2/-0)

Its irrelevant anyways.

If you demented tinfoil hatters ridiculous conspiracy theories get disproved youll just move on to being paranoid about something else.

[ - ] rage 0 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:37:02 ago (+0/-0)

Ok Boomer.

[ - ] diggernicks 1 point 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:38:17 ago (+1/-0)

You sound like a reddit niglet

[ - ] rage 0 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:40:24 ago (+0/-0)

I'm conflicted by this paradox. You've demonstrated two wrongs can sometimes make a right.

But you're still a complete moron.

Kind of funny, actually.

[ - ] diggernicks 1 point 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:43:23 ago (+1/-0)

Youre other right

[ - ] ParnellsUprising 2 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:06:11 ago (+3/-1)

This is your idea? Interesting to say the least.

Is that your JIDF showing?

[ - ] system [op] 5 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:10:00 ago (+5/-0)

This is your idea? Interesting to say the least.

I mentioned in the OP it wasn't my idea.

Is that your JIDF showing?

How does that make sense? I already have the power to look at votes, I am asking how you feel about you having that power.

[ - ] ParnellsUprising 0 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:29:19 ago (+0/-0)

I could really give two shits about "popularity".

I do believe in transparency, so maybe I over
re-acted. This does have potential merit after thinking it over.

My initial reaction was based upon the petty shit that goes on here, and believing that it will be a nightmare cat fight for all the faggots that are dopamined up enough to fucking even give a flying horseshit about a "vote".


[ - ] system [op] 1 point 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:35:37 ago (+2/-1)

It will create it's own problems sure, but I imagine people mainly dishing it out in PMs.. with maybe a thread here or there which gets downvoted to hell because those types of threads always do.

[ - ] TheBigGuyFromQueens 0 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:39:53 ago (+1/-1)

Good. If it goes to PMs, then they get blocked. I don’t need to hear from every person here and I like to tailor my experience like any newsfeed.

[ - ] oldblo 0 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 23:37:15 ago (+0/-0)

PMs for mentioning your downvote stalkers could be a good idea. I think it fair enough.

[ - ] dwb3 -1 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 23:00:49 ago (+0/-1)

Popularity is everything.

[ - ] diggernicks 1 point 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 23:07:02 ago (+1/-0)

Id end myself asap if I ever have a mentality that fail

[ - ] dwb3 -1 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 23:09:39 ago (+0/-1)

Unfortunate.

[ - ] Monica 0 points 2 yearsMay 1, 2022 12:46:33 ago (+0/-0)

Nope. Problem is the people spamming bullshit and having an agenda don't go around upvoting and downvoting anyways. They only spam their bad actor ideas constantly and you allow it. You allow people like dangus to spam violent videos of people attacking women and allow him to spam how he wants to kill all women in the chatroom. Then you ban the people who bring it up by claiming they are spamming.

DANGUS made threats against women on this site and said he wants to kill them. Yet he still spams the frontpage using his alts.

Look at his upvotes, who is upvoting him, look into those people and what they post. Find the pattern. ALTS

It's the upvotes of these "people" you should look into.



[ - ] observation1 1 point 2 yearsApr 30, 2022 09:51:12 ago (+1/-0)

One con. Helps google build profiles on you, not that the profile they have on you now isn't already damning enough

[ - ] v0atmage 1 point 2 yearsApr 30, 2022 01:01:29 ago (+1/-0)

just the downvotes? show both up and down votes if you are going reveal this info at all.

I personally don't think it will prove that useful one way or another.

[ - ] Cantaloupe 1 point 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 23:25:36 ago (+2/-1)

Hmmm don't mind down votes.

Perhaps it can show manipulation.

[ - ] Redhairin 0 points 2 yearsApr 30, 2022 23:30:48 ago (+0/-0)

I rarely downvote, as I prefer stinging commentary (and the ensuing butthurt), but I got no problem with my downvote activity showing. I would not be amused to see the downvote going the way of Poal....one of the few things I think sucks with that site.

[ - ] dwb3 -1 points 2 yearsMay 1, 2022 14:22:01 ago (+0/-1)

It would be nice to know who mass DVed me for 100 ccp in less than hour today, so yes. Sounds nice @system.

[ - ] system [op] 1 point 2 yearsMay 1, 2022 14:40:44 ago (+1/-0)

Seems like a majority arent on board with the idea.

[ - ] dwb3 -1 points 2 yearsMay 1, 2022 14:42:42 ago (+0/-1)

5. No vote manipulation i.e. using multiple accounts to upvote your own content/mass downvoting an account.

[ - ] deleted 0 points 2 yearsMay 1, 2022 14:39:43 ago (+0/-0)

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[ - ] gaybeeye 0 points 2 yearsApr 30, 2022 09:18:24 ago (+0/-0)

all the right wing platforms are kiked, don't expect anything good

[ - ] big_fat_dangus -1 points 2 yearsApr 30, 2022 00:29:11 ago (+1/-2)

Terrible idea, known stepping stone towards poal/reddit censorship.

[ - ] PhimoticEmbrace -2 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 23:40:39 ago (+0/-2)

I'd be interested to know who downvoted this topic and whether they voiced their opinion on it as well. Seems like nigger behaviour to me.

[ - ] TheBigGuyFromQueens -2 points 2 yearsApr 29, 2022 22:36:31 ago (+1/-3)

Yeah. Will stop brigading and show who the malcontents and gay stalkers are.