"You probably don’t know (because I didn’t until Miller told me) that all USDA-licensed processing plants are required to treat ALL meat (even the local, grass-fed, organic variety) with synthetic preservatives.
“Often they use citric acid, which you’d think comes from oranges or lemons, but it’s a modified substance made from corn… and they don’t even have to label it on the meat,” Miller said.
“The USDA processing plants require the meat to be treated with a chemical cocktail of citric acid, lactic acid and peracetic acid,” said a customer who handles Miller’s website and other modern communications (because he’s Amish).
“The peracetic acid is toxic and the citric and lactic are GMO.”
“It’s not lactic acid coming from the fermentation of sauerkraut. It’s all created in a dish in a lab. It’s a synthetic sterilizer that causes many health problems,” Anke (who preferred not to use her last name) told me.
I'd like to see substantiation of their claims that the lactic acid being commercially produced is somehow chemically different to the kind produced in sour cream or yoghurt. Same for the citric acid.
Even if a strand of genetically modified DNA did somehow sneak into the final product it'd be destroyed pretty quickly by the acid. DNA is delicate stuff.
Chemistry is a very dirty set of processes. There are side reactions, incomplete reactions including leftover reagents, and extra chances for contamination.
Youtuber Nilered does some crazy videos like one where he transmuted a glove into grape soda. The food grade flavoring he purchased for comparison only has to be 95% pure to meet that specification.
The "artificial flavors" seems like a loophole where they can put most anything in there and if it's a trade secret you'd never be able to figure out what it was without lab testing.
It still has to be an approved substance for human consumption. The reason they can just list it as "flavourings" is because otherwise it'd be too long a list on some products and it'd be too easy to copy the recipe. The "artificial" part is because people still think natural means safe.
Yeah, but being US Industry Standards of 'Safe for human consumption' also allows the US Farms Garbage feeding of Livestock (paper and plastic packaging of food, takeaways and convenience meals etc are all simply mulched into a sawdust like texture along with the remnant foods and used as feed.).
[ - ] dassar 1 point 3 yearsApr 29, 2022 16:01:56 ago (+1/-0)
Yeah IKR. The regulations allow for 'soft' food plastics - ie twist caps, sushi trays, bakery packaging, Plastic wrap etc - It's why many outside the US will never ever buy US export Pork or Bacon from supermarkets. If only coonsumers weren't literally gorging themselves on this crap 5x a day ...
Hmmm, come to think of it I guess things like HDPE and PET probably wouldn't leech anything toxic into the meat. It might tear up their digestive tract a bit but if the animal's being raised to slaughter that's not likely to matter.
Still, if they're actively chucking plastic in the grinder who knows what else is going in there.
For food grade stuff doesn't it also have to go through an approved process? Like they want to know what reactions you're using to make sure the 5% isn't something nasty? I don't think you can just sell a 95% pure chemical and no one cares about the rest.
Anyhow, my request stands: I'd like to see them prove the commercial lactic acid is different from the kind found in dairy products or pickles. If there is 5% of something actually nasty in there then fair enough, but I don't see any reason to believe there is just because it's done in stainless steel pipes instead of earthenware jars.
Same goes for the GMO concern. There's all kinds of shitty pseudoscience out there surrounding genetic engineering and it does get my hackles up a bit, but in this case where the product isn't even fresh produce, it's a refined chemical (and a highly destructive one at that) the objection seems ridiculous.
Even if a strand of genetically modified DNA did somehow sneak into the final product it'd be destroyed pretty quickly by the acid. DNA is delicate stuff.
I dont think the biggest problem with GMO is necessarily from consuming it. It fucks up the ecosystem and gives corporations like monsanto disproportional power over seed markets.
They're still presenting it as a health issue here. As for fucking up the ecosystem... not really. I can't think of any examples of that. Excessive fertilisers might fuck up the environment but farmers use those on conventional crops too (which are also GMOs by any reasonable metric). Patents are also a separate issue.
For instance they are inserting these “Bt” genes in to lots of different crops which cause them to produce a toxin thats harmful to insects. What happens when some of these plants cross polinate with their wild relatives and the hybrids take over native habitats? What happens when multiple insect populations crash?
The monsanto crops are bred to be resistant to round-up. So farmers that buy monsanto seed, (and only monsanto seed) can dump huge amounts of round-up (made by monsanto) on their crops. The pest weeds then become more resistant to round-up after a few seasons and a new even more round-up resistant crop seed is developed so farmers can dump more round-up. Soon everyone is forced to buy monsanto seed because using a normal amount of roundup on weeds is useless, and farmers who dont use monsanto seed see their yields go down and down while their monsanto using neighbors get bigger yields and drive down prices. This creates a monopoly. We can’t allow these corporations to own thee genomes of our staple crops.
I hate to sound like a hippy. I tend to think alot of the environmental causes are overblown hysteria but with GMOs, you cant put this shit back in the box. We can’t trust the scientific establishment or our governments to make the right call.
For instance they are inserting these “Bt” genes in to lots of different crops which cause them to produce a toxin thats harmful to insects. What happens when some of these plants cross polinate with their wild relatives and the hybrids take over native habitats? What happens when multiple insect populations crash?
Plants already produce toxins harmful to insects. Insects have been dealing with this problem since insects first evolved.
I don't see any reason to believe why human engineers are going to produce something both wildly different from what's already out there and wildly more successful. Most likely the modified species will be less successful and won't take over.
The monsanto crops are bred to be resistant to round-up. So farmers that buy monsanto seed, (and only monsanto seed) can dump huge amounts of round-up (made by monsanto) on their crops. The pest weeds then become more resistant to round-up after a few seasons and a new even more round-up resistant crop seed is developed so farmers can dump more round-up. Soon everyone is forced to buy monsanto seed because using a normal amount of roundup on weeds is useless, and farmers who dont use monsanto seed see their yields go down and down while their monsanto using neighbors get bigger yields and drive down prices. This creates a monopoly. We can’t allow these corporations to own thee genomes of our staple crops.
Yes. Pesticides and patent law is a problem. I agree. If we have the political power to solve the problem why go after something tangential instead of attacking the actual issues?
I hate to sound like a hippy. I tend to think alot of the environmental causes are overblown hysteria but with GMOs, you cant put this shit back in the box. We can’t trust the scientific establishment or our governments to make the right call.
Not much is out of the box that wasn't out already. We've been genetically modifying our food for thousands of years, possibly tens of thousands of years.
They're not living saints. Shit happens in their remote country, and they mostly deal with it themselves. Which has occasionally resulted in pretend-to-be-shocked news stories about them "covering up" crimes. Cuz if you don't love the State Police messing in your business, you must be hiding something. When you're a close community, you also treat outsiders differently than you would your own, naturally. Of course, if anyone wants to have nothing to do with them, it's quite easy to do so. Try not buying shit from the Amish vs not buying shit from China.
Thanks. I think a lot of the issues there is because people have different standards for dogs (which they see as pets) as compared to food animals. Most people wouldn't bat an eye at chickens or rabbits being kept or sold like that for example.
That said I don't think it's fair to keep any animal cooped up in a battery like that so I definitely wouldn't buy from them.
Last summer, the judge also ordered Miller to pay $250,000 for “contempt of court,” and said he will also have to pay the salaries of the USDA investigators assigned to his case, $50,000 of which was due last week as a “good faith” payment to avoid jail.
I hate judges so much.
“The peracetic acid is toxic and the citric and lactic are GMO.”
This made me groan IRL. Toxicity is a dose, not a substance. Water is toxic if you drink too much. Chemicals cannot be GMOs. If you refine the sugar out of GMO beets then it is still the same chemical as sugar refined from non-GMO beets: Sucrose.
Our animals are born and raised on our own farm. We have the oversight. We know the mother. We know the father. There is no incest. There is no cross-breeding.
The chickens you buy from the grocery store — especially Tyson — have a built-in obesity gene. So they blow up in five weeks to heavy weight, and you eat this stuff! The cows are genetically manipulated to produce 6 gallons of milk per day instead of 2.”
Nope. If they are raising anything other than wild aurochs and junglefowl then there has been incest and crossbreeding. That's how modern breeds came to be. They're all genetically manipulated.
We want to turn it around and take the USDA to court, so that we are the prosecutors, and they are the defendants. Let them take a sample of our meat, take it to the lab and a get a sample of the bacteria and compare it to the meat they sell at the grocery store. But they won’t do that.”
I appreciate the conservative interpretation of the toxicity claims. It behooves us not to respond to outrageous claims by swinging to extremities in the other direction. For me, it is not the toxicity of the preservatives that's the concern here. Instead, it's an economic concern, i.e. that government regulators can intervene on independent association between people and their trade in food necessities because of regulations purported to prioritize 'consumer safety'.
It's red tape that allows government and industry to establish monopolies, and to thwart the kind of economic activity they don't want happening: people being more savvy, more independent, and more industrious. The aim is to get all of us feeding from the same tit.
And look how they shake this industrious man down for cutting into their turf without paying his dues for regulatory compliance: you aren't big enough, you aren't partnered with us enough, and so we'll take more than our dues, we'll destroy you.
Realistically, the jail sentence was/is avoidable IF the man wanted to cease selling. I'm not saying this is morally right, only stating the fact. He came up against the man and acted in defiance of court orders. I think it's honorable, but we also shouldn't paint the picture like jail time was the immediate consequence.
I had a dairy farmer buddy who used to sell me raw milk and meat like this, but he always kept it on the downlow because they will fine you and shut your shit down real quick. It's absurd.
Oh totally. His customers are clearly informed consumers, they know what they're buying and are willing to pay extra for it. This is nothing more than monopolistic behaviour by USDA and their cronies.
And yes, the headline is a little clickbaity, it makes it sound like he's facing jail for butchering meat for his own table, whereas he was actually running a nationwide business. Impossible to do something like that without attracting attention. I actually wouldn't mind people being allowed to do this under cottage food laws but only on a county or state level. Keeping it local helps prevent abuse.
For sure. You don't get to cry 'natural' and then ship your preservative-free meat nationwide. A system for food distribution that wide is not natural, so don't expect to be treated legally like you would at the county level. If farming hadn't gone the way it has, there'd be someone doing this locally just about everywhere. It has required people realizing that cost-cutting on their food choices wasn't a great idea, and also because the cheap shit is quickly ceasing to be the cheap shit. It is now expensive shit.
Yeah, we exist in a legal system designed around the needs of big cities. Big cities need lots of rules because there's no real community. I think it's changing though, the main impetus for people to move to the cities (ease of communication and commerce) is being undone by the internet. Now everyone's working from home small local communities are becoming more attractive. That's naturally going to favour more decentralised economics.
It's fruit of the poison tree to me. I don't have such a hard on for the rule of law that I want a guy thrown in jail for contempt of court for refusing to stop selling his own meat.
There are rare examples of good judges, but it doesn't seem to be a profession that attracts good people. Law in general for that matter. Shit floats to the top.
I fully agree, there are some substances with such a low toxicity level that no amount is safe, but they haven't made that argument here. They've just said "synthetic bad, natural good. GMO bad, heritage good." Even if their instincts are mostly right for wanting to reject big ag, their argument is still flawed.
Similar thing with people who want to live off the grid. There are very few places where on your own property you can legally live without being connected to the grid and the govt water supply.
Prime act would not apply here (not that it passed) as he is shipping interstate unfortunately. There are many state level exemptions for co-op type set-ups for things like raw milk and what have you. It is an interesting case which I don't think he would have a problem winning if he were not shipping across state lines. Federal government does have authority over interstate commerce even if the agencies such as the FDA and BATF are unconstitutional examples of congress trying to pawn off it's responsibilities and as such hold no constutional authority.
Bullshit clickbait title, but the article was interesting. He didn't get a prison sentence, he got fined. If he doesn't pay the fine he may go to jail but he wasn't sentenced to prison.
Except he's not processing his own meat. He's processing other people's meat. I mean, fuck, I'm a libertarian and even I can see some value in having oversight in meat distribution.
For any retards who just believe any headline you read. It's legal to process all the meat you want for yourself and your farm. Selling it is when it gets tricky. This guy was selling his meat.
If we lived in a White Ethno-State, then we wouldn't have to worry about standards because you know your food came from a White Person who has the instincts for Personal-Responsibility.
But we don't, so we need someone to make sure the illegal immigrants working in the slaughterhouse aren't shitting on the meat.
[ + ] Crackinjokes
[ - ] Crackinjokes 15 points 3 yearsApr 28, 2022 08:42:56 ago (+16/-1)
"You probably don’t know (because I didn’t until Miller told me) that all USDA-licensed processing plants are required to treat ALL meat (even the local, grass-fed, organic variety) with synthetic preservatives.
“Often they use citric acid, which you’d think comes from oranges or lemons, but it’s a modified substance made from corn… and they don’t even have to label it on the meat,” Miller said.
“The USDA processing plants require the meat to be treated with a chemical cocktail of citric acid, lactic acid and peracetic acid,” said a customer who handles Miller’s website and other modern communications (because he’s Amish).
“The peracetic acid is toxic and the citric and lactic are GMO.”
“It’s not lactic acid coming from the fermentation of sauerkraut. It’s all created in a dish in a lab. It’s a synthetic sterilizer that causes many health problems,” Anke (who preferred not to use her last name) told me.
“Our members don’t want any of that,”
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 2 points 3 yearsApr 28, 2022 09:41:59 ago (+4/-2)
Even if a strand of genetically modified DNA did somehow sneak into the final product it'd be destroyed pretty quickly by the acid. DNA is delicate stuff.
[ + ] TheYiddler
[ - ] TheYiddler 10 points 3 yearsApr 28, 2022 10:30:43 ago (+10/-0)
Youtuber Nilered does some crazy videos like one where he transmuted a glove into grape soda. The food grade flavoring he purchased for comparison only has to be 95% pure to meet that specification.
[ + ] allahead
[ - ] allahead 3 points 3 yearsApr 28, 2022 14:10:26 ago (+3/-0)
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[ - ] Broc_Liath 0 points 3 yearsApr 28, 2022 16:24:03 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] dassar
[ - ] dassar 0 points 3 yearsApr 29, 2022 00:20:00 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 0 points 3 yearsApr 29, 2022 07:25:10 ago (+0/-0)
Paper makes sense, that's just cellulose.
[ + ] dassar
[ - ] dassar 1 point 3 yearsApr 29, 2022 16:01:56 ago (+1/-0)
If only coonsumers weren't literally gorging themselves on this crap 5x a day ...
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 0 points 3 yearsApr 29, 2022 20:13:37 ago (+0/-0)
Still, if they're actively chucking plastic in the grinder who knows what else is going in there.
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 2 points 3 yearsApr 28, 2022 12:54:44 ago (+2/-0)
For food grade stuff doesn't it also have to go through an approved process? Like they want to know what reactions you're using to make sure the 5% isn't something nasty? I don't think you can just sell a 95% pure chemical and no one cares about the rest.
Anyhow, my request stands: I'd like to see them prove the commercial lactic acid is different from the kind found in dairy products or pickles. If there is 5% of something actually nasty in there then fair enough, but I don't see any reason to believe there is just because it's done in stainless steel pipes instead of earthenware jars.
Same goes for the GMO concern. There's all kinds of shitty pseudoscience out there surrounding genetic engineering and it does get my hackles up a bit, but in this case where the product isn't even fresh produce, it's a refined chemical (and a highly destructive one at that) the objection seems ridiculous.
[ + ] allahead
[ - ] allahead 6 points 3 yearsApr 28, 2022 13:49:28 ago (+6/-0)
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[ - ] Broc_Liath 1 point 3 yearsApr 28, 2022 13:51:54 ago (+2/-1)
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[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath -2 points 3 yearsApr 28, 2022 13:52:38 ago (+0/-2)
How do you figure?
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 3 yearsApr 28, 2022 18:38:37 ago (+0/-0)
I dont think the biggest problem with GMO is necessarily from consuming it. It fucks up the ecosystem and gives corporations like monsanto disproportional power over seed markets.
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 0 points 3 yearsApr 28, 2022 20:28:06 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 3 yearsApr 28, 2022 21:12:31 ago (+0/-0)
The monsanto crops are bred to be resistant to round-up. So farmers that buy monsanto seed, (and only monsanto seed) can dump huge amounts of round-up (made by monsanto) on their crops. The pest weeds then become more resistant to round-up after a few seasons and a new even more round-up resistant crop seed is developed so farmers can dump more round-up. Soon everyone is forced to buy monsanto seed because using a normal amount of roundup on weeds is useless, and farmers who dont use monsanto seed see their yields go down and down while their monsanto using neighbors get bigger yields and drive down prices. This creates a monopoly. We can’t allow these corporations to own thee genomes of our staple crops.
I hate to sound like a hippy. I tend to think alot of the environmental causes are overblown hysteria but with GMOs, you cant put this shit back in the box. We can’t trust the scientific establishment or our governments to make the right call.
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 0 points 3 yearsApr 28, 2022 22:12:26 ago (+0/-0)
Plants already produce toxins harmful to insects. Insects have been dealing with this problem since insects first evolved.
I don't see any reason to believe why human engineers are going to produce something both wildly different from what's already out there and wildly more successful. Most likely the modified species will be less successful and won't take over.
Yes. Pesticides and patent law is a problem. I agree. If we have the political power to solve the problem why go after something tangential instead of attacking the actual issues?
Not much is out of the box that wasn't out already. We've been genetically modifying our food for thousands of years, possibly tens of thousands of years.
[ + ] Autismo
[ - ] Autismo -2 points 3 yearsApr 28, 2022 10:21:38 ago (+0/-2)
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[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 0 points 3 yearsApr 28, 2022 20:48:58 ago (+0/-0)
That said I don't think it's fair to keep any animal cooped up in a battery like that so I definitely wouldn't buy from them.
[ + ] dassar
[ - ] dassar 0 points 3 yearsApr 29, 2022 00:25:00 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 10 points 3 yearsApr 28, 2022 08:19:43 ago (+11/-1)
I hate judges so much.
This made me groan IRL. Toxicity is a dose, not a substance. Water is toxic if you drink too much. Chemicals cannot be GMOs. If you refine the sugar out of GMO beets then it is still the same chemical as sugar refined from non-GMO beets: Sucrose.
Nope. If they are raising anything other than wild aurochs and junglefowl then there has been incest and crossbreeding. That's how modern breeds came to be. They're all genetically manipulated.
I hope they do.
[ + ] CHIRO
[ - ] CHIRO 7 points 3 yearsApr 28, 2022 09:33:40 ago (+7/-0)
It's red tape that allows government and industry to establish monopolies, and to thwart the kind of economic activity they don't want happening: people being more savvy, more independent, and more industrious. The aim is to get all of us feeding from the same tit.
And look how they shake this industrious man down for cutting into their turf without paying his dues for regulatory compliance: you aren't big enough, you aren't partnered with us enough, and so we'll take more than our dues, we'll destroy you.
Realistically, the jail sentence was/is avoidable IF the man wanted to cease selling. I'm not saying this is morally right, only stating the fact. He came up against the man and acted in defiance of court orders. I think it's honorable, but we also shouldn't paint the picture like jail time was the immediate consequence.
I had a dairy farmer buddy who used to sell me raw milk and meat like this, but he always kept it on the downlow because they will fine you and shut your shit down real quick. It's absurd.
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 3 points 3 yearsApr 28, 2022 09:38:12 ago (+3/-0)
And yes, the headline is a little clickbaity, it makes it sound like he's facing jail for butchering meat for his own table, whereas he was actually running a nationwide business. Impossible to do something like that without attracting attention. I actually wouldn't mind people being allowed to do this under cottage food laws but only on a county or state level. Keeping it local helps prevent abuse.
[ + ] CHIRO
[ - ] CHIRO 2 points 3 yearsApr 28, 2022 09:47:29 ago (+2/-0)
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[ - ] Belrick 1 point 3 yearsApr 28, 2022 16:07:45 ago (+1/-0)
I get your point but the amish point is that no amount of certain substances should go near food
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Honk Honk
[ + ] Splooge
[ - ] Splooge 0 points 3 yearsApr 28, 2022 12:44:22 ago (+0/-0)
https://amosmillerorganicfarm.com/
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[ - ] Bonlio1 0 points 3 yearsApr 28, 2022 13:08:03 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 3 yearsApr 28, 2022 16:32:15 ago (+1/-1)
I mean, fuck, I'm a libertarian and even I can see some value in having oversight in meat distribution.
For any retards who just believe any headline you read. It's legal to process all the meat you want for yourself and your farm. Selling it is when it gets tricky. This guy was selling his meat.
[ + ] mikenigger
[ - ] mikenigger 0 points 3 yearsApr 28, 2022 18:41:14 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo -1 points 3 yearsApr 28, 2022 18:56:21 ago (+0/-1)
But we don't, so we need someone to make sure the illegal immigrants working in the slaughterhouse aren't shitting on the meat.
Even a libertarian can recognize this.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 3 yearsApr 28, 2022 18:24:30 ago (+0/-0)
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[ + ] AmazingFlightLizard
[ - ] AmazingFlightLizard 0 points 3 yearsApr 29, 2022 01:37:31 ago (+0/-0)
They also would probably make for good breeding stock when the country totally collapses.
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[ - ] Sector7 0 points 3 yearsApr 29, 2022 18:33:06 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] mikenigger
[ - ] mikenigger -3 points 3 yearsApr 28, 2022 13:33:54 ago (+0/-3)*
I went to https://amosmillerorganicfarm.com/store/, literally nowhere does it say they're selling unapproved mystery meat, fuck that.
I bet you when someone outside their tribe dies from their unicorn meat they will not take responsibility.