Joseph claims he started as a slave just like he claims he was a refugee fleeing from treachery by his brothers from another mother. Meanwhile his silver tongue took him to the top of Egyptian society where he used climate change predictions as an excuse to convince Pharaoh to give him control of the granaries and other stores of economic value. He used that power to cause a boom/bust cycle just as he predicted.
He was so beloved for saving Egypt from certain destruction that within a generation his people were claiming that the Egyptians were murdering their babies (who usually murders babies, and who usually accuse everyone else of doing what they themselves are guilty of?). They used that as an excuse to inflict plagues and natural disasters on them, eventually genociding almost everyone who wasn't loyal to them. Then they left the ruins of Egypt behind with so much gold they were able to build a giant idol, and so much loot it took them decades to drag it all a hundred miles.
Man, I wonder if those stories have ever repeated themselves, the way history does.
[ - ] xachariah 1 point 3.2 yearsApr 18, 2022 02:48:04 ago (+1/-0)
Moses was adopted into the ruling family of Egypt. Then when he realizes his ancestry, he repays his host country by killing all the country's boys, robbing it blind along with a bunch of his tribe, and then leaving to go live in Israel.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Where did the Jews, who you suggest get all of their power through economic treachery and storytelling, get the power to 'inflict plagues and natural disasters' sufficient to leave Egypt in ruins?
Exodus is not based on a single fucking story. It's a myth that evolved from many such cycles of Semite interactions with Egypt, and not even just a single Semitic people, but different tribes from all over the Levant. Jewish history is a story of getting in where there's opportunity, overstepping one's boundaries, getting booted out, and then proclaiming that the booter-outers (who were previously your benefactors) are pure evil who captured you and wouldn't let you leave.
The same shit went on with Babylon. Look at the way Babylon is portrayed in the Torah. In reality, the Jews loved Babylon. Most of them anyway. When the Persians sacked Babylon and told the Jews to take a hike, most of them didn't want to leave. It was (relatively to the area) like modern day New York City.
Moses was also likely fictional, or at least syncretised: His origin story of being cast adrift in a basket and adopted by a princess is an ancient indo-european tale which long predates his proposed lifetime. The jews most likely took it from the Iranians, just like they took the flood myth from the Sumerians/Babylonians.
Nah, the narrative checks out. How else do you explain a group of people who are so neurotic without some kind of selective pressure that would make neuroticism a survival tactic.
The problem is when you think of "slave" you think of Uncle Tom picking cotton. The Jews were slaves. The Egyptians had no problems with slavery. Why not enslave the Jews? The thing is, an Egyptian slave isn't necessarily a cotton picking slave. Slaves were pretty much anything. So, the Jews just made sure they were the equivalent of a "White Collar" slave. They were the Egyptian's House-Niggers.
Inbreeding amplifies traits, but it doesn't select for traits.
Here's what you have to understand. Unless the Jews are in an environment that selects for neuroticism as a survival function, the neuroticism is going to be a disadvantage in a "free society".
So, in what cases would neuroticism be advantageous? Well, imagine you are a slave stealing the master's chickens? Paranoia will be very useful in a situation like that. Now imagine you are stealing the master's chickens for 80 generations. The Jews who are neurotic are going to survive and the Jews who are not Neurotic are going to be executed.
Now repeat that with the Babylonians, the Assyrians, the Greeks, the Romans. The only time the Jews weren't the piss boy of their region was for a couple of generations after the Bronze Age Collapse.
More like the pit bulls I think, they're incredibly aggressive and capable of working themselves up into a fury. The meek pacifist image is just a charade.
My very favorite jewish story is about the Gideonites. The jews were busy conquering Caanan and having some trouble doing it. A neighbouring tribe offered them an alliance and they accepted. After they had won they were pissed because they realised they didn't have any grounds to make war against their allies too. Somehow in their minds this became their allies fault and the alliance was based on trickery, so they turned on them, took their land and enslaved them.
This is unironically presented by the jews in their own history as an example of them being the good guys. No matter what shit they pull they are always right and justified in their aggression and no matter how honourably their enemies behave they had it coming.
They often leave with a mass of wealth after having collapsed a country and turned its people against themselves. But of course they play the victim, as they always do.
The biblical hebrews of Exodus are believed by many Egyptologists to have been a people the Egyptians called the Hyksos. These people came from southern palestine and spoke an early form of Hebrew. The settled in Northern Egypt initially peacefully. They seem to have been accepted in to Egyptian society to some extent. Some had jobs with the government. Some were traders. They seem to have been associated with a powerful cult of the god Set. For some reason, around 1800 BC they were able to take over northern Egypt and declare themselves Kings of Egypt. Perhaps they had amassed many followers among the Egyptian population itself. The chaos surrounding this event ushers the end of the middle kingdom of Egypt, and a 300yr period of instability as two dynasties claim kingship over Egypt, an Egyptian one in Thebes and a Semitic one in Avaris.
Around 1500, Ahmose I kicks their ass back to palestine. He takes some of them as slaves however. I think that its likely that Moses and his family are the descendents of those slaves. The cult of Set seems to have remained popular for centuries, especially among elites. Its not clear if all of these Semites actually left Egypt and some might have maintained powerful positions in Egyptian society.
[ - ] CHIRO 1 point 3.2 yearsApr 17, 2022 23:34:07 ago (+1/-0)
Good post. I also believe the Hyksos were the first historically connectible example of this Semitic cycle in Egypt; I also believe Exodus was not based on one event, but is a mythical representation of an entire history of Semites with Egypt.
You know what makes the kikes seethe more than saying that they were never slaves? Telling them "So what? It's not important." Just dismiss it. They made it a permanent part of their heritage and it dismisses everything about them.
THey were regarded as GENIUSES (I Think) in EQypt (Especailly in doing stuff they didn't like doing (handling animals) JACOB). This was BEFORE (just) the general "enslavement" (BIBLE).
21 And I will give this people favour in the sight of the Egyptians: and it shall come to pass, that, when ye go, ye shall not go empty.
22 But every woman shall borrow of her neighbour, and of her that sojourneth in her house, jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment: and ye shall put them upon your sons, and upon your daughters; and ye shall spoil the Egyptians.
35 And the children of Israel did according to the word of Moses; and they borrowed of the Egyptians jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment:
36 And the Lord gave the people favour in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they lent unto them such things as they required. And they spoiled the Egyptians.
How can anybody read this and think they were slaves? This is exactly what they plan to do again with America. And when you see verses like this, how the FUCK can christians think they were the 'real jews'? This exact type of behaviour is beyond stereotypical of jews and is not something to be proud of or claimed. Oh and the pyramids were built way before the time the jews claimed to be in egypt, completely disproving their original claim.. yet somehow they get to continue to act like it's fact and no one calls them out on it.
oh and the assyrian and babylonian slave stories make no sense either. when people take slaves, they put the men on farms and mines and the women in domestic/sex service.. they don't simply eject them northwards, or let them exercise control of the king's government.
the only one we have proof of is of course the only one which makes sense.. when the romans did exactly as you'd expect.. took the ones they conquered in jerusalem as captured booty and put them to work.
Obviously, because jews are not the Israelites from the Bible. Israelites are white. Only Europe has many nations, travelled the world and blessed every being.
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[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker 6 points 3.2 yearsApr 17, 2022 20:57:26 ago (+7/-1)
He was so beloved for saving Egypt from certain destruction that within a generation his people were claiming that the Egyptians were murdering their babies (who usually murders babies, and who usually accuse everyone else of doing what they themselves are guilty of?). They used that as an excuse to inflict plagues and natural disasters on them, eventually genociding almost everyone who wasn't loyal to them. Then they left the ruins of Egypt behind with so much gold they were able to build a giant idol, and so much loot it took them decades to drag it all a hundred miles.
Man, I wonder if those stories have ever repeated themselves, the way history does.
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 1 point 3.2 yearsApr 17, 2022 21:43:12 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] xachariah
[ - ] xachariah 1 point 3.2 yearsApr 18, 2022 02:48:04 ago (+1/-0)
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
[ + ] CHIRO
[ - ] CHIRO -4 points 3.2 yearsApr 17, 2022 23:30:05 ago (+0/-4)*
Where did the Jews, who you suggest get all of their power through economic treachery and storytelling, get the power to 'inflict plagues and natural disasters' sufficient to leave Egypt in ruins?
Exodus is not based on a single fucking story. It's a myth that evolved from many such cycles of Semite interactions with Egypt, and not even just a single Semitic people, but different tribes from all over the Levant. Jewish history is a story of getting in where there's opportunity, overstepping one's boundaries, getting booted out, and then proclaiming that the booter-outers (who were previously your benefactors) are pure evil who captured you and wouldn't let you leave.
The same shit went on with Babylon. Look at the way Babylon is portrayed in the Torah. In reality, the Jews loved Babylon. Most of them anyway. When the Persians sacked Babylon and told the Jews to take a hike, most of them didn't want to leave. It was (relatively to the area) like modern day New York City.
[ + ] NaturalSelectionistWorker
[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker 1 point 3.2 yearsApr 18, 2022 18:43:54 ago (+1/-0)
The jews have committed acts of large scale poisoning for thousands of years. It ain't new.
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[ - ] Master_Foo 1 point 3.2 yearsApr 17, 2022 20:23:05 ago (+1/-0)
The problem is when you think of "slave" you think of Uncle Tom picking cotton. The Jews were slaves. The Egyptians had no problems with slavery. Why not enslave the Jews? The thing is, an Egyptian slave isn't necessarily a cotton picking slave. Slaves were pretty much anything. So, the Jews just made sure they were the equivalent of a "White Collar" slave. They were the Egyptian's House-Niggers.
TL;DR: Slave just means "Not the Hegemon".
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[ - ] Master_Foo 2 points 3.2 yearsApr 17, 2022 20:35:08 ago (+2/-0)
Here's what you have to understand. Unless the Jews are in an environment that selects for neuroticism as a survival function, the neuroticism is going to be a disadvantage in a "free society".
So, in what cases would neuroticism be advantageous? Well, imagine you are a slave stealing the master's chickens? Paranoia will be very useful in a situation like that. Now imagine you are stealing the master's chickens for 80 generations. The Jews who are neurotic are going to survive and the Jews who are not Neurotic are going to be executed.
Now repeat that with the Babylonians, the Assyrians, the Greeks, the Romans. The only time the Jews weren't the piss boy of their region was for a couple of generations after the Bronze Age Collapse.
They are the pugs of human beings.
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 3 points 3.2 yearsApr 17, 2022 21:49:56 ago (+3/-0)
My very favorite jewish story is about the Gideonites. The jews were busy conquering Caanan and having some trouble doing it. A neighbouring tribe offered them an alliance and they accepted. After they had won they were pissed because they realised they didn't have any grounds to make war against their allies too. Somehow in their minds this became their allies fault and the alliance was based on trickery, so they turned on them, took their land and enslaved them.
This is unironically presented by the jews in their own history as an example of them being the good guys. No matter what shit they pull they are always right and justified in their aggression and no matter how honourably their enemies behave they had it coming.
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For some reason, around 1800 BC they were able to take over northern Egypt and declare themselves Kings of Egypt. Perhaps they had amassed many followers among the Egyptian population itself. The chaos surrounding this event ushers the end of the middle kingdom of Egypt, and a 300yr period of instability as two dynasties claim kingship over Egypt, an Egyptian one in Thebes and a Semitic one in Avaris.
Around 1500, Ahmose I kicks their ass back to palestine. He takes some of them as slaves however. I think that its likely that Moses and his family are the descendents of those slaves. The cult of Set seems to have remained popular for centuries, especially among elites. Its not clear if all of these Semites actually left Egypt and some might have maintained powerful positions in Egyptian society.
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22 But every woman shall borrow of her neighbour, and of her that sojourneth in her house, jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment: and ye shall put them upon your sons, and upon your daughters; and ye shall spoil the Egyptians.
35 And the children of Israel did according to the word of Moses; and they borrowed of the Egyptians jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment:
36 And the Lord gave the people favour in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they lent unto them such things as they required. And they spoiled the Egyptians.
How can anybody read this and think they were slaves? This is exactly what they plan to do again with America. And when you see verses like this, how the FUCK can christians think they were the 'real jews'? This exact type of behaviour is beyond stereotypical of jews and is not something to be proud of or claimed. Oh and the pyramids were built way before the time the jews claimed to be in egypt, completely disproving their original claim.. yet somehow they get to continue to act like it's fact and no one calls them out on it.
oh and the assyrian and babylonian slave stories make no sense either. when people take slaves, they put the men on farms and mines and the women in domestic/sex service.. they don't simply eject them northwards, or let them exercise control of the king's government.
the only one we have proof of is of course the only one which makes sense.. when the romans did exactly as you'd expect.. took the ones they conquered in jerusalem as captured booty and put them to work.
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false.
hyksos.
didnt bother reading any further.