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[ - ] Qwertytoal 6 points 2 yearsApr 10, 2022 18:10:40 ago (+6/-0)

Disgusting. Now they will claim loving a child as only a pedo could is simply a vice

[ - ] WordSalad 2 points 2 yearsApr 10, 2022 22:07:08 ago (+2/-0)

Obviously you are not familiar with lysander spooner.

Your comment is absurd.

[ - ] SirNiggsalot 1 point 2 yearsApr 11, 2022 07:57:58 ago (+1/-0)

Free people are free to make dumb choices.

[ - ] dalai_llama 1 point 2 yearsApr 10, 2022 19:54:35 ago (+1/-0)

I mean, the Christians imposed their values on everyone when they were in power and they brow beat everyone with their virtues and self-righteous behavior. Nothing has changed except the religion. Instead of Christianity, now most people follow a secular pop culture cult that I can't really even begin to describe. Turns out Christianity wasn't the culprit at all and it's just human nature to impose their will on each other regardless of what the predominant frame work is at the time. This is nothing new, it's just being done by a group of people that haven't had the power in the past so it seems different. Those people are mostly jews or people heavily influenced by jews. They have been able to slowly consolidate political influence with the aid of the holocaust mythos and now everything is some bizarre, jew infested dystopia.

The point is that there is no such thing as a moral high ground. There are only competing value systems that seek to dominate your life based on whoever is currently in power. We are living in a transition period right now.

[ - ] SparklingWiggle 2 points 2 yearsApr 10, 2022 21:58:39 ago (+2/-0)

Vices are things that distract you from being the best person you can be.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 2 yearsApr 10, 2022 23:18:41 ago (+1/-0)

Vices are inefficiencies. The more vices a society indulges in, the more inefficient it is. A society that can minimize vice can become the most prosperous and powerful. And uncorrupt. Lying is inefficient.

[ - ] dalai_llama 0 points 2 yearsApr 11, 2022 00:36:56 ago (+0/-0)

I agree that there are fundamental societal characteristics that are either conducive to societal harmony or detrimental to it. I also agree that most people recognize this concept. What I mean is that the institutions that are created to reinforce these ideas are inevitably exploited by those who favor personal gain at the expense of others.

[ - ] SparklingWiggle 1 point 2 yearsApr 11, 2022 09:10:43 ago (+1/-0)

That makes sense. After all, that's what jews do.

[ - ] dalai_llama 0 points 2 yearsApr 11, 2022 17:41:19 ago (+0/-0)

I completely agree that vices are things that hold a person back from being the best person you could be. However, the vice itself may not be the most dangerous aspect. One person being a bum because they are a heroin addict isn't really dangerous to society as a whole. However, having an entire infrastructure of pharmaceutical companies disseminating opiate pills to people is far more dangerous. We have entered into a new era of threats where it isn't good enough to just be the best person you could be, but there are institutions above us that see us as animal husbandry products and they exploit our tendency towards vices to control us.

[ - ] Epictetus 1 point 2 yearsApr 10, 2022 21:51:24 ago (+1/-0)

Juden

[ - ] dalai_llama 1 point 2 yearsApr 11, 2022 00:29:42 ago (+1/-0)

Sorry, I almost made you think for yourself for once. I'll censor myself to keep from offending your delicate sensibilities.

[ - ] TheYiddler 1 point 2 yearsApr 11, 2022 03:06:28 ago (+1/-0)

But the seven deadly sins are objectively bad. One does not need to be Christian to see how these sins destroy people and communities. This point should not need elaboration.

Similarly, other values can have a secular justification. Christianity is a pretty wrapper to dress up what is clearly a successful system and sell it to people that do not have the mental fortitude to understand philosophy and ethics.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 2 yearsApr 11, 2022 00:05:42 ago (+0/-0)

No I don’t agree. Early christians were jews who imposed their will on gentiles. But they were assimilated genetically and christianity was taken over by gentiles. Gentiles infused christianity with their own morality which was more strict in terms of personal responsibility and less forgiving. Christianity was just a template for the promulgation of white morals.

There really should be no difference between religious morals and law. Religion evolve as a means to unite a group of related people under a common law so that they could cooperate as a society. You cannot economically cooperate if one guy is playing it conservative while the other guy is a risky fuck. Risk takers will alway be a burden on conservatives.

Morals are really the rules of economic cooperation in disguise. In order to collaborate and share risks, a people must agree on ground rules for sex, work and play, violence, property rights, etc. Every single moral in christianity makes sense in this context.

Morally strict societies, especially monogamist ones, are the most economically efficient societies. Certain environments like regions with cold winters select for humans with highly conserving economic and reproductive behaviors. IRL this looks like strict, uptight morals. Morals are genetic.

Haven’t you noticed that groups like the puritans and the quakers and amish all come from northern europe? They shun showy displays which are trait of polygyny, ie. hoarding wealth in order to hoard women. They don’t even dance or listen to music.

Brazilians, polynesians, africans, listen to music and dance all day long. They are never uptight about sex like northern europeans. None of these groups have work ethic. They are all corrupt societies that have a ton of violence.

Moral systems are on a continuum. At the one end is high opportunism/low efficiency. Violence, promiscuity. Low economic cooperation. High intrasexual competition. High wealth disparity. Fucking and fighting and cheating and stealing. At the other end is high efficiency/ high cooperation. Emphasis on work. Emphasis on honesty. Small wealth disparity. Shunning pleasure seeking behaviors which are inefficient. If everyone is trying to get their dopamine hits, no work gets done.

The whole problem with the woke religion is that it insists no one should be judged for inefficient behavior. This is only possible because the bureaucracy, by redistributing wealth without respect to merit, has tempoararily removed economic consequences from inefficient behavior. In another time, these behaviors would result in starvation. Because they produce no wealth. They produce nothing useful.

Moral is what is good for society. We are genetically programmed with the behaviors that led to success for our ancestors as northern european agrarians and hunter gatherers before that. Morals. Personality traits. They’re mostly genetic. They can be influenced by religion. And they can change as circumstances change. People’s morals evolve with their genes.

[ - ] dalai_llama 0 points 2 yearsApr 11, 2022 00:28:24 ago (+0/-0)

I only used Christians because they are the most recent example. I imagine traditional Roman mystics were equally perplexed when Constantine decided to change the official state religion. Even if quakers and puritans came from Europe, so did the liberal movement. The constant push and pull of liberal and conservative forces has always been tearing White society apart. Vices are redefined each generation based on contemporary social mores. You are a living example of what was once considered a vice. The puritans and the quakers would not have allowed women to participate in this kind of discussion. Ironically to my argument, I agree with them.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 2 yearsApr 11, 2022 11:29:43 ago (+0/-0)*

I only used Christians because they are the most recent example. I imagine traditional Roman mystics were equally perplexed

Yeah I agree. It doesn’t really matter if its christianity or wokism or the roman pagan religion, alot of which is retained in catholicism, I might add. The proto-indo-european pagan religion was the religion of polygamist conquerors. It was forced on the locals too. It gradually evolved in to religions as diverse as the norse pagan religion and hinduism and arguably buddhiism and zoroastrianism. How these religions are actually practiced millenia later says more about the “conquored” than their original form.

Even if quakers and puritans came from Europe, so did the liberal movement. The constant push and pull of liberal and conservative forces has always been tearing White society apart.

Of course. Europeans tend to be more economically conservative because as hunter gatherers and agrarians living in cold climates. We were selected for monogamy and other highly economically efficient behaviors. Monogamy can be proven to be the most efficient allocation of male economic productivity. Males with no children don’t support children and males with too many children dont support their children well. Polygyny creates a lot of both. In HISTORIC conditions in europe, winter killed off all polygamists. Polygamy is essentially a genetic condition and these individuals were deselected, in northern eurasia for a long time. Through starvation.



[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 2 yearsApr 11, 2022 11:35:09 ago (+0/-0)

(Continued) Monogamy decreases excess male intrasexual competition, which is the source of most of what we call social problems. When males compete for the highest number of uteruses, rather than the highest quality uterus, then males will adopt an ‘r strategy’ of reproduction and try to eliminate other male competitors through violence or other cock blocking strategies like resource hoarding. This can be observed in almost any species of mammals or birds. Species with more male promiscuity have more violent male competition and lower male paternal care. Obviously its highly inefficient to kill off members of your own society and not take care of your kids. It disincentivizes male cooperativity which can obviously bring big economic dividends. Greater societal harmony can be achieved by minimizing male competition, sublimating it to productivity, not violence and theft and minimizing wealth disparity by eliminating the only real motive for wealth hoarding and corruption: female hoarding.

Now, individuals pursuing the opportunistic or ‘r strategy’ end of the spectrum exist in every population in variable frequencies. Even in Scandinavians and Japanese. A group of successful opportunists can flourish anywhere if they can make cheating pay, thereby increasing in frequency . Guys with traits for opportunistic behaviors, such as polygamous traits tend to accumulate at the top and bottom of the social hierarchy. Positions of power attract males with the polygamous trifecta of high greed, high violence, high libido. Groups of whites have succeeded through an opportunistic strategy by living off other whites through warlording (presumably the polygamous PIE/ aryans) and as nobles or bureacrats, living off the fat of empires. Bureacracies create a niche for opportunistic individuals to live off of the productivity of others. Wealthy aristocrats always want poor peasants to fight wars for them so they can gain more wealth. Because their greed knows no bounds.

My point is white elites (generally) want war, they want usury, they want drug use, gambling, promiscuity, slavery, big government / monopolies, vices— because it plays to the opportunistic traits that they use to get ahead. Their strategies are inherently inefficient to society— money lending produces no wealth! — but good for them personally. They hate meritocracy because it exposes the fact that they produce nothing.

Money lending and insurance don’t make houses and healthcare more affordable — they increase the price! Producing and selling alcohol, an addictive substance that makes whites sick and non-productive, is inherently opportunistic and inefficient. Terrible allocation of resources. Doesn’t stimulate the economy. Broken glass fallacy. Same with gambling. Whites who get rich this way are niggers with 140 IQs.

Extremely wealthy people all got that way through opportunistic strategies like pandering to vices. Easy money. Easy women. Easy pleasure. All destructive and inefficient. No billionaire got that way through high productivity. None. That kind of wealth is gained through economic and culltural deception.

Strict moral (monogamist) regimes are the most egalitarian and meritocratic. Strict polygynist regimes (islam) promote warlording which is inefficient and selects for shitty traits in males.

There’s always a push and pull between the two ends of the spectrum, because there’s always a tension between the good of the individual vs the good of the group. Mother nature gifted us an advantage over niggers— she weeded out the shittiest whites with cold winters. We have overcome the problem of cold winters, so now it is up to us to artificially weed out the shittiest whites, which are making a comeback by living off of corrupt bureacracies which are a black black of economic consequences .
You are a living example of what was once considered a vice. The puritans and the quakers would not have allowed women to participate in this kind of discussion.

Although this is demonstrably untrue and whites historically give more power to women than any other group, t doesn’t really matter to me if you don’t agree. The question is whether or not what I say is correct and true. And it is. I understand the relationship between sexual competition, morals and vices, economics, and genetics within the context of the mechanisms of evolution. You have probably not given this subject alot of thought. You should. It is the hidden reality of social change. @Dalai_llama

[ - ] dalai_llama 0 points 2 yearsApr 11, 2022 17:08:21 ago (+0/-0)

I agree with most of what you're saying. I jist don't think evolutionary pressures matter right now. Modern technology, medicine, nutrition, and economic welfare assistance have eliminated any kind of natural selection pressure for the time being. Evolution follows a punctuated equilibrium model. There will be lulls in the frequency of allele selction puncuated by bottlenecking events where there is a rapid narrowing of the frequency of allele occurence.

Nothing we say or do really matters until the next bottlenecking event.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 2 yearsApr 11, 2022 23:18:39 ago (+0/-0)

Selection pressures have never been more intense. I wouldn’t wait for some 12000 year extinction event. If people understand whats going on genetically they can defend against it.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 2 yearsApr 11, 2022 11:38:39 ago (+0/-0)

The forum is cutting off long comments so I had to stretch my response out over two comments. Woman problems. But seriously. Im right about what Ive said. Hope you take the time to read it.

[ - ] dalai_llama 0 points 2 yearsApr 11, 2022 17:24:30 ago (+0/-0)

Your assertion that what I said was demonstrably untrue is false. You can easily demonstrate that what I said was true by pointing to the fact that women weren't allowed to vote. It's funny that you pointed to all this mating selection behavior yet fail to realize that a lot of the mate selection behavior has altered because of the incorporation of women into politics. Women, as a voting bloc, are the most useful idiots that ever existed. They could be whipped up into a frenzy over any stupid little bullshit from prohibition activism to jew funded women's marches against Trump. All the strategies have changed based on how easy it is to manipulate women who are essentially living in a perpetual state of childhood and yearn for a guardian role to be fulfilled by an eagerly awaiting government.

[ - ] QuasiVoat 1 point 2 yearsApr 10, 2022 18:17:30 ago (+1/-0)

Agreed completely.

[ - ] KeepPoal4fags 0 points 2 yearsApr 11, 2022 00:08:28 ago (+0/-0)

My fuckwit neighbors call the cops every time I have a brush burn. They have AIDS or some other serious disease and claim the smoke is killing everyone, and of course, killing the planet. I tell em to ease their suffering by suffocating on my fat knob. Cops have yet to care, don't think they even show up anymore.