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Did the Dark Ages really happen?

submitted by UncleDoug to Documentaries 2 yearsMar 31, 2022 10:30:01 ago (+13/-1)     (ytb.trom.tf)

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[ - ] deleted 7 points 2 yearsMar 31, 2022 11:03:27 ago (+7/-0)

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[ - ] DukeofRaul 1 point 2 yearsMar 31, 2022 11:04:48 ago (+1/-0)

The sun got dimmer for 4 or five years during Justinians reign and the white tribes were pushed forward by murderous huns and mongols

[ - ] dingbat 6 points 2 yearsMar 31, 2022 10:52:47 ago (+6/-0)

All of this stuff really interests me. Given that we now know that the (((history))) we’ve been taught is completely full of shit, I’d say anything is possible. Never say never.

[ - ] UncleDoug [op] 2 points 2 yearsMar 31, 2022 11:10:49 ago (+2/-0)

There is no evidence to suggest Saxon invasions of the British Isles or the absence of intelligentsia outside of Rome not surviving just because their sphere of influence was receding and their empire decaying.
The known world didn't decay overnight and it didn't leave the world crippled in centuries of darkness, illiteracy and gang warfare as mainstream history portrays.

Many people simply carried on, there was an increase in migratory behaviour and people observed different cultural, religious, spiritual, philosophical, artistic and linguistic fashions because it was popular to do so.

[ - ] deleted 5 points 2 yearsMar 31, 2022 11:37:47 ago (+5/-0)

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[ - ] cyclops1771 3 points 2 yearsMar 31, 2022 11:50:24 ago (+3/-0)

There are two major schools of thought that have been pushed forward and lasted over time - the Gibbons model you mention above, and the Pirenne model which points to the breakup of the economy due to the Islamic/Arabic conquering of the areas of trading routes.

Pirenne says that Rome's rule fell, but the replacing kings tried to emulate Roman rules and laws as much as they could, just in their specific area of control - I liken it to the Confederacy breaking from US in Dec 1860-April 1861, pre-war. Nothing really changed but who you paid taxes to. However, once the trade routes were broken to the spices of the Orient, local economies which traded with China fell, which had a cascading effect throughout Western europe. Notice that Eastern Europe did not have this issue. I liken this to today's global supply chain. You cut off a major exporter of oil like Russia, you then increase prices, which has an effect on costs of all items surrounding that product. Spices in the times after the fall were used to preserve meat, or covr up flavoring of aging meats and veg, and to alleviate and draw off the salt used for preservation. IOW, the farther away from the trade routes, the more expensive it became. Add tariffs through each area as the spice passed through, and you have an unworkable economy, which led to lack of tax income, which led to breakdown of consolidated power.
Tie increased hunger to decreased power centers gets you more criminal activity as people turn to theft and highway robbery and mercenary work to survive. At least that's how I view the transition period from the breakup of the Roman Empire into Byzantine in the east and various Gothic and Germanic kingdoms in the west to the rise of nobility/strongman "feudalism" - as an economic change from "global" to "local/sustenance" economy.

[ - ] Dirtydyno 1 point 2 yearsMar 31, 2022 13:31:46 ago (+1/-0)

Well said. When we speak of the dark ages we really mean northwest and parts of central Europe. Constantinople recaptured much of the Mediterranean coast with in a century. The dark ages are dark if your a fan of large central governments, and the benefits. Of course the residents of this area were keenly aware of the large decaying infrastructure around them, in many cases still in use. Long distance communication and trade were more difficult as well. It can't be denied that the Catholic church became a benefactor of this. Since it stepped up in this period to provide much of the administrative and record keeping that the empire could no longer provide. Toward the end of the western empire we actually notice that the literate class of Romans were entering the clergy instead of empire's administration.

[ - ] deleted 3 points 2 yearsMar 31, 2022 11:21:18 ago (+3/-0)

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[ - ] deleted 1 point 2 yearsMar 31, 2022 11:32:42 ago (+1/-0)

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[ - ] frankenham 0 points 2 yearsApr 1, 2022 00:00:28 ago (+0/-0)

69 a.d. was fuckin bangin

[ - ] TheViciousMrPim 0 points 2 yearsMar 31, 2022 10:30:36 ago (+0/-0)

Yes

[ - ] deleted -1 points 2 yearsMar 31, 2022 14:17:12 ago (+0/-1)

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