HIV is a harmless retrovirus and does not cause any kind of disease. HIV tests are as useless and fraudulent as COVID tests. AIDS isn't a single disease, but a matrix of diseases determined to be "associated" with people allegedly determined to be "HIV positive".
The main proponent of the view that HIV is a harmless retrovirus is Peter Duesberg, the man who discovered the retrovirus. In the late 80s and early 90s, he was vocal about challenging the current paradigm of "HIV = AIDS" as he expressed it in his book "Inventing the AIDS Virus". This is a very large and dense book, but if you can get through it, good for you. There are better summaries of it, however.
I met Peter Duesberg in 1996 in front of the San Diego Public Library where he was handing out copies of a 5.5" x 8.5" stapled pamphlet where in just eight pages he made the compelling arguments 1) that so-called AIDS is not a single disease (which if a fact) but a matrix of numerous diseases, 2) that the diseases are not shared by a single demographic, and thus cannot be claimed to be caused by the harmless retrovirus HIV, 3) that there is no proof HIV can cause any disease, and 4) that the diseases presented to doctors by homosexuals in the 1970s and early 1980s are due to malnutrition and heavy drug use, especially alkyl nitrites, aka poppers, which is a very toxic chemical and is known for causing Kaposi's Sarcoma (which presents as cancerous spots on the legs).
I bought a book a few years later called "Positively False" by Joan Shenton. She has been what the media calls an "AIDS denialist" for decades. She presents fully factual and irrefutable evidence that everything we think we know of HIV is false.
Since I got a good response to my comment, I'll submit a post on the subject give links to books, articles, and videos I've found over the years. There are many good videos on the subject. I have a few I like and I'll see if I can find links to them.
I've received a LOT of pushback from people, even from those who I thought were open-minded, but unlike other subjects I try to open peoples' eyes to, this one is much easier to discuss. Voat being the kind of board it is with the kind of people who are here, should be easier to persuade, if not to change people's minds, but only to ask people to entertain the idea.
What the fuck is alkyl nitrites? I know they are poppers and that people inhale them. But wtf does it do and where do people get them from? I've only ever heard about gay people doing them. I know they're supposed to loosed up their buttholes or something. I thought they died out and were no longer used, but i have seen modern day fags talking about using them.
Sorry dude. There's another guy who's really defensive about the whole subject, and I guess I got a little punchy.
Poppers are still sold and used almost entirely by homosexuals because it is a euphoric muscle relaxant and facilitates anal sex. It's a combination of toxic chemicals and is still used despite the known risks. The deviant film maker John Waters states that poppers are iconic in gay culture. Waters himself says he loves them, partly for the experience and partly because of what it represents in gay culture.
They can be obtained in sleazy liquor stores and smoke shops. In larger cities, I would suppose there are boutique shops that cater to people who use them.
I'm not certain about how they damage the body, but many people have reported seeing gay men with large purple cancerous spots on their chest, similar to the spots seen in Kaposi's Sarcoma, who were very heavy users of poppers. Often gays who frequently use poppers are also heavy speed users.
That was a lie we were told. In reality it was the AZT therapy suppressing the immune system causing patients to contract diseases.
This is why the life expectancy with HIV was like 7 years in the 1980s, and now it's 65 years (a lifetime). Simply because they've stopped prescribing AZT.
If you get the chance then research the names around AZT, they're all the same as Coronavirus vaccines (Fauci etc).
100% correct. I'm glad someone else knows this. The "gay pandemic" of the 80s and 90s was an intentional mass poisoning of faggots, resulting of their martyrdom in the gay pantheon.
Bullshit. I had a relative die of AIDS before AZT was being used.
You are a controlled op moron discrediting us. I'll bet you're a flat-earther too.
You're awfully defensive about this. By the way, who is "us"? Voat? Homosexuals?
Homosexuals died regularly because they were taking enormous amounts of recreational drugs, both for weight loss, to keep themselves almost skeletal thin, and to keep themselves high most of the time. Speed was a common element with gays, who preferred thin men, and poppers were the preferred muscle relaxant because it facilitated anal sex. By the early 80s, before AZT appeared, they were already poisoning themselves and had the medical characteristics to show for it.
I can explain it, but I won't because of defensive and disrespectful tone, and I don't think you'd care no matter how I answered.
The simplest explanation is your complete misunderstanding of how AIDS is diagnosed in the developed world versus Africa. Plus, I didn't say ONLY poppers cause the diseases associated with AIDS.
You're going to think whatever you want, and I don't want to argue with you.
I read some of the background information and it's lackluster bullshit. I even read on another AIDS denier and found nothing that didn't seem to be a man overwhelemed by confirmation bias. The simple statement by one of them that "HIV doesn't replicate in the human body" was enough for me to dismiss this at ridiculous.
The complete lack of specificity in your comment comes down to "I read some stuff by some people, but I didn't believe them". Start from the beginning. I usually don't recommend videos because I hate watching other people's videos because they're usually a waste of time, but this one is short and begins at the beginning.
Nobel Laureate Kary Mullis explains why he started to question whether HIV caused AIDS in this video. He asks, very simply, exactly WHICH peer reviewed paper was the basis for confirming the basic statement "HIV is the probable cause for AIDS". He asked numerous experts in varied fields, but no on was able to answer the question.
*That is because no such paper exists.* Imagine that. An entire field of medical study based on an assertion that has never been proven. You can watch Mullis describe it here. It's 14 minutes, but the segment you want is the first three minutes in.
If you can find such a paper, which should prove this thesis with research and actual data, Let me know. It would have been written in the 1980s.
He lived with that female crack head "bicycles" for a while, and based on what we know about his porn/sex addiction, I don't think it is unrealistic to think that they were fucking during this time.
I think we're rapidly rediscovering the old saw that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The problem is our rulers are getting regular people killed in their squabbles as well as stealing our money.
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The main proponent of the view that HIV is a harmless retrovirus is Peter Duesberg, the man who discovered the retrovirus. In the late 80s and early 90s, he was vocal about challenging the current paradigm of "HIV = AIDS" as he expressed it in his book "Inventing the AIDS Virus". This is a very large and dense book, but if you can get through it, good for you. There are better summaries of it, however.
I met Peter Duesberg in 1996 in front of the San Diego Public Library where he was handing out copies of a 5.5" x 8.5" stapled pamphlet where in just eight pages he made the compelling arguments 1) that so-called AIDS is not a single disease (which if a fact) but a matrix of numerous diseases, 2) that the diseases are not shared by a single demographic, and thus cannot be claimed to be caused by the harmless retrovirus HIV, 3) that there is no proof HIV can cause any disease, and 4) that the diseases presented to doctors by homosexuals in the 1970s and early 1980s are due to malnutrition and heavy drug use, especially alkyl nitrites, aka poppers, which is a very toxic chemical and is known for causing Kaposi's Sarcoma (which presents as cancerous spots on the legs).
I bought a book a few years later called "Positively False" by Joan Shenton. She has been what the media calls an "AIDS denialist" for decades. She presents fully factual and irrefutable evidence that everything we think we know of HIV is false.
Since I got a good response to my comment, I'll submit a post on the subject give links to books, articles, and videos I've found over the years. There are many good videos on the subject. I have a few I like and I'll see if I can find links to them.
I've received a LOT of pushback from people, even from those who I thought were open-minded, but unlike other subjects I try to open peoples' eyes to, this one is much easier to discuss. Voat being the kind of board it is with the kind of people who are here, should be easier to persuade, if not to change people's minds, but only to ask people to entertain the idea.
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I gave you that information. Look for it yourself. I'm not going to spoonfeed you. And yes, they're still legal.
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Poppers are still sold and used almost entirely by homosexuals because it is a euphoric muscle relaxant and facilitates anal sex. It's a combination of toxic chemicals and is still used despite the known risks. The deviant film maker John Waters states that poppers are iconic in gay culture. Waters himself says he loves them, partly for the experience and partly because of what it represents in gay culture.
They can be obtained in sleazy liquor stores and smoke shops. In larger cities, I would suppose there are boutique shops that cater to people who use them.
I'm not certain about how they damage the body, but many people have reported seeing gay men with large purple cancerous spots on their chest, similar to the spots seen in Kaposi's Sarcoma, who were very heavy users of poppers. Often gays who frequently use poppers are also heavy speed users.
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This is why the life expectancy with HIV was like 7 years in the 1980s, and now it's 65 years (a lifetime). Simply because they've stopped prescribing AZT.
If you get the chance then research the names around AZT, they're all the same as Coronavirus vaccines (Fauci etc).
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You are a controlled op moron discrediting us. I'll bet you're a flat-earther too.
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For more detailed info see Deadly Deception by Robert Willner.
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You're awfully defensive about this. By the way, who is "us"? Voat? Homosexuals?
Homosexuals died regularly because they were taking enormous amounts of recreational drugs, both for weight loss, to keep themselves almost skeletal thin, and to keep themselves high most of the time. Speed was a common element with gays, who preferred thin men, and poppers were the preferred muscle relaxant because it facilitated anal sex. By the early 80s, before AZT appeared, they were already poisoning themselves and had the medical characteristics to show for it.
Sorry for your relative.
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How do you explain AIDS and HIV in infants who’ve been raped by Africans? And all of the Africans who likely have no access to “poppers”?
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The simplest explanation is your complete misunderstanding of how AIDS is diagnosed in the developed world versus Africa. Plus, I didn't say ONLY poppers cause the diseases associated with AIDS.
You're going to think whatever you want, and I don't want to argue with you.
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Nobel Laureate Kary Mullis explains why he started to question whether HIV caused AIDS in this video. He asks, very simply, exactly WHICH peer reviewed paper was the basis for confirming the basic statement "HIV is the probable cause for AIDS". He asked numerous experts in varied fields, but no on was able to answer the question.
*That is because no such paper exists.* Imagine that. An entire field of medical study based on an assertion that has never been proven. You can watch Mullis describe it here. It's 14 minutes, but the segment you want is the first three minutes in.
If you can find such a paper, which should prove this thesis with research and actual data, Let me know. It would have been written in the 1980s.
https://www.goyimtv.tv/v/1522079973/Kary-Mullis--Why-I-Began-Questioning-HIV
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Sounds more like he suspects she gave it to him than vice versa IMO.
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