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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7883242/
Koch's postulates were even discounted by Koch later on. And viruses don't reproduce in a petri dish, but it's still semi-valid. I will bet you could be brought into a pab shown the virus through an electron microscope and you still wouldn't believe it existed. Except to cause discredit to an entire group, I don't understand why you don't believe a new virus, whether natural or man-made, is in the wild. Do you believe in viruses at all? Do you believe in mutation? Do you believe in genetic manipulation?

people don't die, heaving for breath right in front of you, from a fucking cold

Do you want to debate this seriously? Because I’d be happy to. But iscreamtrucks doesn’t want to have that conversation and neither do several others who try to loudly shout down any conversation that anyone on this site tries to have about the treatment of covid. Anytime anyone post anything about covid or covid deaths or covid drugs, the bombastic deniers try to stop that discussion— with bullying, not scientific debate. If you are one of these — and I cant recall if you are — then pot meet kettle and fuck off.


No u. I had many arguments like this about a year and a half ago with people who were not satisfied with any evidence I presented to them. Around that time I researched how scientists “proove” the presence of a virus with a unique genome— there are 3 or 4 different methods that are used and at that time it was clear that research outfits from many different countries were employing all of these methods to “isolate” SARS Cov 2 for study. Russia, China, or any number of groups in the west could have discovered a covid fraud and exposed some CDC conspiracy— Russia could do so now!— but no one has.

I believe that covid is a REAL VIRUS that is unique from anything previously categorized as “common cold” prior to 2019. I believe it is related to some common cold viruses such as OC-43 but far more virulent. I believe that when SARS and MERS appeared 20 years ago, mad scientists working for the US and Chinese governments had an ambition to weaponize them and they did so with health care money under the guys of public health research and there’s a massive trail of evidence in spending and papers supporting that narrative. I believe the death rate in the US went up 20% two years ago and has stayed at that level — the vaccine does not account for 2020 deaths. This has never come close to happening before in the decades that we’ve tracked death data and it is a trend that is observed in most countries. Is the US making up dead people who never existed? Is Britain? Is France? Is Brazil? What accounts for a massive uptick in deaths globally. An airtight multinational conspiracy that would have to involve thousands of bureacrats, medical personel, and researchers from every country?

Occams razor - the most plausible explanation is that the NIH or perhaps the CCP on its own produced a weaponized coronavirus that kills 30 to 50 times more people than the typical flu. “Harmless” omicron is still killing 5 to 10 times more people than the typical flu. These rates explain the increase in death. Power hungry bureaucrats and and “Wall street” (Vanguard or whoever owns corporations in multiple sectors) collaborated on a narrative so that bureacrats could steal more power (rights) and Wall Street could make a trillion dollars on mandated vaccines. Quid pro quo.

Of course the narrative that justified their “remedy” (everybody must live under house arrest, irregular elections, mandated vaxes, subisidies to wall street) was false: corrupt science which caused well people to be hurt and didn’t help sick people . But the virus was real and killed millions.

This is a complicated reality to sell. So many pesky detaills. Covid is real and dangerous but not as dangerous as they say, and not dangerous to the people they say are endangered and their remedies are unhelpful and a bunch of helpful remedies are being supressed? That is way to many words to fit on a placard.

You want to believe in a plausible lie. Why? Because it serves you. This is why most people believe what they believe.

Isn’t it so much easier to cry that the obviously corrupt scientific establishment made the entire thing up? After all, you and the chink are probably not high risk. The narrative that there is no basis whatsoever for any epidemic measures is easier to sell and it serves you best. You want to believe it. You don’t want to believe that its dangerous but not as dangerous as Fauci says. That does not make a good tweet.

Now if you want to first provide to me irrefutable evidence that the common cold (OC-43) exists or that influenza A exists and is a distinct virus from influenza B, then maybe I will invest the extra time of hunting about the internet for an hour or two finding comparable support for SARS Cov 2– because I believe that every single test performed to show that OC-43 exists has been performed adequately on SARS Cov 2. But Im not going to waste time compiling evidence for someone who cant meet his own standard on any other virus. I did all this research 18 months ago and it would be cumbersome to review everything I learned then for someone that doesnt really want to hear anything I have to say.

So the onus is on you to prove that any virus exists at all and that its different from some other related virus. With Koch’s postulates or not, I don’t give a shit. And then explain how a world wide conspiracy of scientists and bureacrats and medical professionals was pulled off and what the reason for a 20% increase in deaths all causes was. Im sure it will be no problem for you, since you are so confident.


Haven’t the waters been muddied enough? What do you even mean by common cold? Another corona virus? Which one? Influenza A or B strain? You don’t know. You don’t care. You’re not big on details. You are big on a simple pared down narrative.

There are folks on here that have no scientific literacy whatsoever. I don’t think that’s you. So you need to do a little better than “common cold” for me.