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Did Germany declare war on Poland? No, she retaliated for numerous instances of Polish massacres of Germans both on Polish and German soil. Important links below

submitted by HughBriss to whatever 3.2 yearsMar 13, 2022 17:51:50 ago (+51/-4)     (whatever)

We've all heard about Germany's "invasion" of Poland in 1939, but what really happened? It's nothing you've ever heard if you only know the official story.

In 1939, Britain and France gave a "guarantee" to Poland that in an instance of a German attack, these two nations would give aid and protection. That emboldened the Polish to commit atrocities on Germans, both in Poland and over the border in Germany. Eventually it became too much for Hitler and he decided that he would retaliate for these crimes. The key word here is "retaliate", not wage war.

On August 31, 1939, Poland mobilized irregular army troops outside Gleiwitz. Under the terms of the Geneva Convention, mobilization is a de facto declaration of war, whether it is stated or not. By this provocation, Poland declared its intentions against Germany. It committed to action at midnight on August 31, 1939, as it attacked Germans in Gleiwitz. It was not a German false flag. That story only came years later after the war ended, based on testimony (without evidence) from a man named Naujocks.

There are three very useful sources for learning more about this:

"What Counts as a Declaration of War? Poland Declares War on Germany First?"

https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12870

The link to the "Table of Acts of Malice, Aggression and Declarations of War beginning in September 1939". This is significant, because it shows that Germany formally declared war only three times.

https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/nexus/NXdeclarations.html

The book referenced at the beginning of the article, "The Ruling Elite: Death, Destruction, and Domination" by Deanna Sringola.

https://u1lib.org/book/5207226/21f6b7

Just another reminder for all of us that JEWS ALWAYS LIE, don't believe what you're told, and always do your own research. (I'm preaching to choir here, of course.)


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[ - ] Clueless_Enigma 2 points 3.2 yearsMar 13, 2022 18:44:26 ago (+2/-0)

Ive tried to look into this years back, but I ran into an issue of citations that indicated that the Poles were actively attacking german soldiers. The narrative goes that Germans dressed up as Poles and started ransacking Germans that were trapped within their borders, but I wasn't able to find any citations and/or proof to corroborate this. Germany claims that the Poles attacked Germans that were within the Polish Borders, and Occam's razor would favor the German narrative.

Edit: I'm gramattically and Syntaxally retarded

[ - ] HughBriss [op] 2 points 3.2 yearsMar 13, 2022 19:42:37 ago (+2/-0)

I'm currently reading "The Myth of German Villainy" by Benton L. Bradberry. He doesn't cite a reference for every thing he says, unfortunately, but he does have a lengthy bibliography you can use to research it.

https://u1lib.org/s/benton%20bradberry

I would also strongly recommend Joachin Bochaca's "Las crimenes de los 'buenos'" (The crimes of the "good guys), where he dissects where the German "false flag" story came from and declares it to be absolutely false and a lie by a man by Naujocks. You can download the book here:

https://codoh.com/library/authors/bochaca-joaquin/

However, it's in Spanish, so you can use Google Translate (sorry, I cringe just writing that), which will give a translation of the entire book that you can save in HTML format. The translation is pretty readable. I consider that book to be the final word on the subject.

[ - ] Qwertytoal 2 points 3.2 yearsMar 13, 2022 19:19:51 ago (+2/-0)

In Poland in those towns at the border its always been believed that Germans were pretending to be Polish people dressed as German soldiers who attacked other German soldiers.

[ - ] Broc_Liath 4 points 3.2 yearsMar 13, 2022 19:34:58 ago (+4/-0)

That's still a declaration of war. I don't get why there's such a need do dance around this. Declaring war isn't bad or evil, there's many legitimate reasons to declare war.

[ - ] UncleDoug 0 points 3.2 yearsMar 13, 2022 23:20:13 ago (+0/-0)

^

[ - ] thebearfromstartrack4 0 points 3.2 yearsMar 13, 2022 20:22:36 ago (+0/-0)

I thought was over a contract for screwing in light bulb's sopposedly goodly. But done poorly.

[ - ] GloryBeckons 8 points 3.2 yearsMar 13, 2022 20:22:56 ago (+8/-0)

Excerpt from a German newsreel, aired on 23 August, 1939, a week before the war: https://files.catbox.moe/gtcodq.webm

Subtitled by yours truly for Voat. Explains exactly how and why the conflict started. And yet, it was never translated for English speaking audiences before. You won't find it elsewhere. More info and full newsreel in this thread: https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=613b10d4c2e64

Huge chunks of Germany were stolen by the Treaty of Versailles in 1919. All the Germans who lived there, for hundreds of years, were forcefully made Polish against their will overnight. Over the course of the following 20 years, they were forbidden to teach their children German and faced abuse and starvation. A huge refugee crisis ensued.

The current situation in Ukraine has striking parallels to that of Poland in 1939:

Modern day Ukraine is also a country created from territories that used to belong to several other countries. It also contains different ethnic groups, speaking different languages. It is also supported by a Western alliance, which also built up their confidence, and is also failing to truly come to their aid in a decisive way. In recent years, Ukraine also moved to promote Ukrainian and discourage Russian.

However:

Under Soviet rule, the Russians did exactly the same and worse to Ukrainians. Aside from the forced starvation of the Holodomor, they also forced Ukrainians to speak only Russian. Anyone caught speaking Ukrainian, let alone teaching their children, faced years in jail. The Ukrainian language was nearly wiped out; two generations never learned to speak it. They chose to revive it, after the Soviet Union fell apart, as an act of defiance. That's why they're insisting on Ukrainian now.

The parts of Ukraine that used to be Russian, and still contain mostly Russian speakers today, were not taken from Russia by force, nor by some treaty concocted by third party alliances. They were made Ukrainian by Russia itself, voluntarily, when it dissolved the Soviet Union. And the Russians who didn't like it didn't flee to Russia, but instead launched violent rebellions, sponsored and armed by Russia. Most Russian speakers in the Ukraine are opposed to the invasion, and actively fighting back against it. And Russia isn't saving them, but besieging and bombing those very eastern cities which are full of former Russians.

In some ways, Putin's position is very similar to Hitler's back then. In others, it is the exact opposite.

Regardless, this is exactly how world wars start. Failure to learn from history, and all that.

[ - ] HughBriss [op] 4 points 3.2 yearsMar 13, 2022 20:46:24 ago (+4/-0)

Very well done. Thank you. I watched a few minutes of it and stopped so I could comment on your comment and the video. From what I saw, that is exactly the contemporary German understanding of the situation in Poland. the Germans in the 1930s were pretty angry about being forced to submit to the jewish Versailles treaty and wasted no time in restoring what was taken from them.

I have only one comment, however, regarding this:

Under Soviet rule, the Russians did exactly the same and worse to Ukrainians.

It wasn't Russians who did this. It was the jews who controlled the Soviet. At that time, jews were overwhelmingly the greatest part of the ruling elite, and they despised both Russians and Ukranians. Everything else you said is 100% true. The jews were cruel, sadistic, and vindictive.

Thanks for the newsreel video. I appreciate it.

[ - ] GloryBeckons 1 point 3.2 yearsMar 13, 2022 21:41:32 ago (+1/-0)

Jewish orders. But mostly Russian order followers to enforce them.

No different from now, in Russia, in Ukraine, and all across the West. Jews are cruel, sadistic, and vindictive. True. But they are few. The rest of us are many. I don't think it is intellectually honest or useful to put all the blame on them. It's the people who do as they're told that give them power.

From the victim's perspective, it doesn't really matter who gave the order. Only who is holding the gun. That's who makes the final decision.

Thanks for the newsreel video. I appreciate it.

You're very welcome.

[ - ] HughBriss [op] 2 points 3.2 yearsMar 13, 2022 22:25:23 ago (+2/-0)

I don't think it is intellectually honest or useful to put all the blame on them. It's the people who do as they're told that give them power.

That's a good point. Solzhenitzyn said exactly as much in one of his books (unfortunately one that I have not read). He criticized Russians for yielding to Soviet terror tactics, when what they should have done was organize and when he terror teams came in in the middle of the night to take someone away, instead of seeing a frightened populace, they would be confronted by an angry and confrontational group who were determined to fight back.

[ - ] 3Whuurs 1 point 3.2 yearsMar 14, 2022 01:33:29 ago (+1/-0)

That was volume 1 of the Gulag Archipelago.

[ - ] 3Whuurs 1 point 3.2 yearsMar 14, 2022 01:38:37 ago (+1/-0)

I think I might remember that post. Didn’t Tallest-skil jump at that?

Also, any chance you have a different format? Webm won’t play on mobile.
@fascinius

[ - ] GloryBeckons 1 point 3.2 yearsMar 14, 2022 04:14:47 ago (+1/-0)

Yeah, that's the one. He'd been looking for a source on this for a long time.

There's an mkv version here: https://files.catbox.moe/7g05gl.mkv
And the longer full newsreel: https://files.catbox.moe/yt9vo5.mkv

[ - ] 3Whuurs 0 points 3.2 yearsMar 14, 2022 22:37:13 ago (+0/-0)

Man I can’t get my retarded phone or tablet to to open those either.
If they’re the same links from that old thread, I watched it all then couldn’t remember why I didn’t save them when Voat went down.

I’ve only looked lightly into evidenc3 of the claimed polish attacks on Germany before uncle invaded.
But I remember @tallest_skil was pretty thrilled with them.
Just judging superficially, I thought they actually looked kind of scripted and formal to be honest.
Have you ever dug into those claims any deeper?

[ - ] Tallest_Skil 0 points 3.2 yearsMar 14, 2022 22:57:44 ago (+0/-0)

I have a news report from August of 1939 where German refugees from Poland describe massacres.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/B7jqbXDO9q0i/

[ - ] 3Whuurs 0 points 3.2 yearsMar 14, 2022 23:30:48 ago (+0/-0)

Btw, where the fuck have you been man?
Are there greener pastures a goy should know about somewhere?

[ - ] Tallest_Skil 0 points 3.2 yearsMar 15, 2022 12:28:41 ago (+0/-0)

I don’t dislike this place. There’s nothing wrong with it. I think it’s just a collective fear from all former Voat users. “Our home was destroyed without warning or explanation; why should we put in the effort to rebuild anywhere new when the same thing will simply happen again?” I think that permeates all our thoughts these days.

The Voat Diaspora wound up on… what, five places? Voat.xyz (which he turned into Talk.lol for no discernible reason), Poal (killed by its leftist owners, right?), SaidIt (almost a ghost town), Communities.win (which was turned into Scored.co for no discernible reason… this is a suspicious trend), and… shit, what’s the fifth one. I can’t even remember. I think it’s still even in use, but I’ve been banned from it. I’d know it immediately if I heard it… Oh, and there’s SearchVoat, which archives all Voat posts and has its own vBulletin-style forum where some people post.

In addition to fear of loss of effort (why make good posts or build community when the site can just be wiped in a heartbeat), people just can’t keep up with so many sites at once. This really feels like it’s by design. Ah, well. Anyway, I mostly post on Communities these days.

[ - ] 3Whuurs 0 points 3.2 yearsMar 15, 2022 12:49:43 ago (+0/-0)

Ya I just heard about Communities with their new name change announcement.
You’re right, name changing a start up as soon as it’s taking off seems fishy.

I’ve always been more of a “try to ask the right question” then a high value poster, but I know what you mean, cause after a couple attempts to start a long form conversation, I find myself giving up half way through a comment all the time.

We definitely need our thick skinned, big brained autists back, but unfortunately for us, censorship actually works.
And I’m to tech retarded to find and figure out how all these sites work.

[ - ] 3Whuurs 0 points 3.2 yearsMar 14, 2022 23:29:44 ago (+0/-0)

Ya I remember the post when I think you got that from old Voat.
It makes me wonder why there isn’t way more of it out there.
Not searched the world over, but I remember you saying this was the first time you’d found 1st hand account like this before.
But some of those pre invasion attacks allegedly killed like 40,000 Germans (if I remember correctly) so I always wondered why TGSNT or Europa wouldn’t be full of footage or news reels about it.

[ - ] poopdawg15 3 points 3.2 yearsMar 13, 2022 22:25:40 ago (+3/-0)

Atrocities of Poland (pdf) https://files.catbox.moe/ma9u1y.pdf

[ - ] HughBriss [op] 0 points 3.2 yearsMar 13, 2022 22:31:12 ago (+0/-0)

Well done. I got a copy of that for my library. Thanks! Ya gotta love JR's Books Online.

[ - ] TerryB 1 point 3.2 yearsMar 14, 2022 07:14:54 ago (+1/-0)

I knew a woman who lived it. She was of German decent living in Poland at the time. They had to flee to Germany, then returned back to Poland to their farmland. Then had to flee again when Russians were advancing. Wonderful woman and that was a very hard time in her life.