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Something seems strange about the Ukraine situation to me, the timing of it all.

submitted by ghostofvoatspast to AskGoats 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 10:47:33 ago (+28/-2)     (AskGoats)

Last years if Obama the tension between Russia and US was building and building over Syria and other issues. There was a lot of talk of an event happen that could lead to a real war of Super powers.

Trump takes office and tensions between Russia and the United States subsidies..there is almost none.

Why didn't Russia posture or move on Ukraine then. Putin had 4 years where he could have likely done so with no threat of military intervention from the US.

Instead he waits until dems, who are itching for conflict with Russia are back in power.

He decides to make this play at a time he know there will be massive internal resistance particularly from the US.

Why?

Something seems really fishy about this and the timing.

Any guesses? Thoughs?

I know a few of you are intelligent enough to give thoughtful well thought out answers and I would be interested in hearing from you.


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[ - ] we_kill_creativity 10 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 11:42:07 ago (+10/-0)

One of the nuanced things people need to understand about Russia/Ukraine is that Ukraine is only recently thought of as "separate" from Russia. Until recently, it was only ever referred to as The Ukraine, as in: the Ukrainian part of Russia.

Someone who's read a lot about Russian history could argue that, in many ways, Russia started in Ukraine. If you read Russian history, inevitably you'll read about "the kievin-rus", (Kiev is the capital of Ukraine). At one point, really early on, Kiev was the cultural seat of "the Russians" and, for politcal/geographical reasons, that eventually became Moscow.

So, that's why you have this, from the outside, seemingly odd independent streak from the Ukrainians in their attitude towards Moscow. But, it's almost more important to understand that, independent streak aside, the Ukrainians ARE Russians. So...it's sort of weird to think of Russia invading it's own people isn't it?

In fact, even though the media would have you believe that someone in "the west" is automatically a supporter of NATO...I'm not. I'd imagine a lot of "westerners" aren't. And I know for a fact that your average Russian ( meaning Ukrainians too) is no fan of NATO, so...I don't see Russia's actions as "invading Ukraine", I see it as them protecting fellow Russians.

So why "invade Ukraine" now? It was never about Russia "invading Ukraine", so I'd reframe your question and you'd probably answer it. Why now is because "we" have started to invade Ukraine again...probably with the standard NGO's just like last time. And now Russia is responding to that, as I'm sure many Ukrainians want them to.

[ - ] Zyklonbeekeeper 5 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 12:31:28 ago (+5/-0)

You have a brain and are pretty much right on...the seed of Russia is Kiev...it was the filthy Ashkanazi ✡ that subverted and slaughtered the great Russian Empire. As kids we heard all the sinister stories of the Russian,Polish Ukrainian kikes, my Grandfather literally killed his way out of the Russian Empire. he had an internal passport and military ID from a CHKA Kommisar that he used in his process, which we still have today. FYI...I have a cousin who's on active duty in Ukraine and another one in St. Petersburg, same family, opposing sides, what a fucking mess...but Russia is testing the waters as my cousin sent me pictures of a Russian tank that they blew the turret off of last year and that tank was inside Ukraine territory, he said that Russia is massively building up forces along Crimea and have been for the last year and half but they aren't really engaging in any serious conflict....a distraction from something bigger on another front or hype to pump up Western faggots. I listen to Radio Vologda every night and all they talk about is feckless biden and the Ukraine issue, but in most conversations they always make reference to "tomorrow" , tomorrow comes and still everything is passed off to "tomorrow". Завтрашний враг живет сегодня.
Ukraine's destiny is inevitably a Russian one. The "cultural compromise" permits old stock Ukrainians to maintain their language and ethics but academicly it's the Russian language and mannerisms being taught to the new generations and for this the "Old Guard" is willing to war.
Никто не победит народ России.

[ - ] we_kill_creativity 3 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 12:40:02 ago (+3/-0)

Завтрашний враг живет сегодня

"Tomorrow something lives today" ... am I close.

I was almost living in Денецк when the last war happened. I missed it by just a couple months. I was going to be teaching English as a 2nd language there and be able to finally meet my "internet girlfriend" I really liked. It's not possible to overstate how low a point that was in my life. If a bomb went off taking out the electricity there, and I didn't hear from her for a few days, I had no idea if she was alive or dead or if I'd ever talk to her again. And there was nothing I could do but sit at home unable to do anything. It did a number on my mind.

But I got better, I think...

But yeah, NATO does not have the political will of "the people" behind it. And sooo many westerners think their own governments are 100x's worse than Putin, as imperfect as he may be, so I'm not sure how they think they'll pull this off. As far as I can tell all they have at this point is pure gaslighting, and even then, the more they do it, the more they expose themselves as doing it...

I really hope Ukrainians and Russians "on the ground" don't let themselves be used to fight yet another brother war.

[ - ] Zyklonbeekeeper 0 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 15:00:24 ago (+0/-0)

"Tomorrow's enemy lives today"...close but you failed mentioning enemy

[ - ] we_kill_creativity 1 point 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 15:05:20 ago (+1/-0)

I inserted "something" because I didn't know that word. I should have said "Tomorrow...something...lives today". But cool phrase to learn.

[ - ] pshawman 1 point 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 20:26:48 ago (+1/-0)

but Russia is testing the waters as my cousin sent me pictures of a Russian tank that they blew the turret off of last year and that tank was inside Ukraine territory

Dude the Ukranians were using their stock of russian tanks as target practise. They've been training on Javelins for awhile now.

[ - ] deleted 4 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 12:40:59 ago (+4/-0)

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[ - ] StopTheEvilAgenda 4 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 12:48:27 ago (+4/-0)

The propaganda in mainstream media right now is immense, too. The US Department of War does no wrong.

[ - ] chrimony 2 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 14:59:44 ago (+2/-0)

Someone who's read a lot about Russian history could argue that, in many ways, Russia started in Ukraine.

Then shouldn't the Ukraine invade Russia?

[ - ] Belrick 0 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 22:16:33 ago (+0/-0)

It did.
2014 coup launched by the globalist elites as punishment for Russia saving Syria.

They didn't get it all though. Most importantly they failed to seize crimea

[ - ] GeneralDisarray 8 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 11:50:14 ago (+8/-0)

Putin seems to want to fuck NATO and has made a threat that got an instant response.

He didn't threaten violence. He threatened to expose their treason against their own people!

When the Russian troops went into Kazakhstan he said that they had been using the technology and methods Maidan had used in the Ukraine against their people. This caused a panic among all NATO countries and they immediately threatened Russia and tried to discredit key people that could expose their treason.

So what was Putin referring too by Maidan technology and methods?!

He was hinting that he would expose the gangstalking and cybertorture that all NATO countries are doing to their political dissidents under the name of counterinsurgency!!!

Kazakhstan is key and may be the location of the files the nwo has on the people they are attacking. So Putin may have got his hands on it all. Irrefutable evidence that NATO has been torturing and killing their own people as part of a centralized plan to bring in global governance.

These programs have been run through NATO and all members militaries have taken part in this genocide. That's why they are freaking out about Russia.

Putin wants to fuck NATO and this way he can do it without firing a single shot.

Immediately after Putin hinted at this Dr Nils Melzer came under attack with calls for him to resign from the human rights council of the UN. He has written a report detailing the use of these methods and weapons against civilians for political reason and the UN has still to respond.

Putin can take back the Crimea and if he is attacked by NATO he can expose them by sending all the victims their files. That's why the news immediately started up the Russian hackers stories again. They need to block the Russians from sending these files or they are fucking dead.

Putin has them all in check.

It seems like he wanted this confrontation and waited till Trump was out of office because he wouldn't take the bait and would possibly welcome the leaks.

This way it all goes down on Biden. Exposing Obama too as his administration inherited this system of torture and murder and used it to deadly effect for eight years.

Exposing this would destroy the UN, NATO, masons, democrats and more.

That's why Biden, Boris and Trudeau are looking panicked right now. They are facing exposure for genocide just as the scamdemic is collapsing.

This when the Canadian counterinsurgency Manual even says a viral pandemic would be perfect psyop to murder political dissidents.

NATO won't be fighting Russia. They will be fighting a civil war at home if this shit comes out.

Putin has them by the balls and they know it.

[ - ] we_kill_creativity 4 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 12:22:57 ago (+4/-0)

Dr Nils Melzer came under attack with calls for him to resign from the human rights council of the UN. He has written a report detailing the use of these methods and weapons against civilians for political reason and the UN has still to respond.

I need to find this. I agree with the general "gangstalking" thing as something that really happens.

[ - ] GeneralDisarray 3 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 12:25:49 ago (+3/-0)

[ - ] GeneralDisarray 3 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 12:30:54 ago (+3/-0)

[ - ] we_kill_creativity 3 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 12:32:00 ago (+3/-0)

I missed this the first time I read your comment:

he can expose them by sending all the victims their files.

Why can't he just do that right now and watch it all crumble? Why wait?

[ - ] GeneralDisarray 3 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 12:40:41 ago (+3/-0)

I would rather he did.

But by doing it this way he can take back the Crimea without losing thousands of lives.

Timing is why he has waited.

Especially now that the scamdemic is exposed and crumbling. He would be exposing it all to the NATO civilians that have been subjected to it for the last two years. Making the revelation of truth more potent.

Exposing to everyone that their treasonous governments have been at war with them and killed millions.

Check and fucking mate pedo cunts!!!

[ - ] we_kill_creativity 2 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 13:15:55 ago (+2/-0)

I'm sure you're basically right. I see the logic in what you said, but...

But by doing it this way he can take back the Crimea without losing thousands of lives.

If he were to release these files, supposing he does have them, wouldn't NATO/the control system crumble and wouldn't he "take back the Crimea" without losing thousands of lives anyways?

[ - ] GeneralDisarray 2 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 13:56:25 ago (+2/-0)

But maybe he didn't have the files before the Kazakhstan government fell!

I'm sure the NSA must have it all too. Could be Russia exposes the programs that are then confirmed by USA sources.

This would make it all more believable.

[ - ] GeneralDisarray 1 point 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 13:20:09 ago (+1/-0)

Well you got a point.

But he didn't just go ahead and do that.

So far he just threatened.

Doing it this way certainly helps substantiate his tough guy image. And the Russians seem to love that about him.

[ - ] we_kill_creativity 2 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 13:23:39 ago (+2/-0)

Do you have any good sources about Putin getting said files in Kazakhstan?

[ - ] GeneralDisarray 1 point 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 13:53:55 ago (+1/-0)

No, just Putin saying he knew they used these methods and weapons two days after the Kazakhstan government fell!

I'm just speculating on what he meant based on what is known and the immediate reaction of attacking Dr Nils Melzer while playing the Russian hackers bullshit again.

This explanation sure seems to fit.

[ - ] deleted 1 point 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 13:58:37 ago (+1/-0)

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[ - ] we_kill_creativity 4 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 14:05:52 ago (+4/-0)

If we were talking about anything less than millions of people being tortured and having their lives ruined, I completely understand that.

[ - ] deleted 2 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 13:22:06 ago (+2/-0)*

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[ - ] StopTheEvilAgenda 1 point 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 12:54:45 ago (+1/-0)

It definitely happens. Trust me.

[ - ] StopTheEvilAgenda 2 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 12:53:52 ago (+2/-0)

This is reasonable and intelligent speculation, unless Putin is one of them and this is all just theater.

[ - ] SparklingWiggle 0 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 15:12:01 ago (+0/-0)

This read a lot like a "It's habbening." It would be nice to think someone in power gives a shit, but he's only in it for himself.

[ - ] deleted 6 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 11:24:44 ago (+6/-0)

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[ - ] deleted 2 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 15:33:03 ago (+2/-0)

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[ - ] AryanPrime 4 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 12:18:58 ago (+4/-0)

Ukraine is a major warehouse of Deepstate operatives families...many of them use Ukraine to hide out the few people they do care about

Also it's jew headquarters I think for a lot of the cyber warfare being done around the world in an attempt to destabilize things

[ - ] beece 3 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 11:15:25 ago (+3/-0)*

The amazing cohencidenses are deep in the Ukraine and with both Bidens. It took me a good part of my life to finally figure out the Jewish culpability that essentially caused WW1. When I finally saw it and put it together I was still shocked. This version is a bit easier to understand once you start looking at the various players religions, there is a lot of similarities.

The attacks on Trump while he was president were orchestrated by Jews. Adam Schiff in particular, but jewish player after jewish player after jewish player and the jewish media played their role skillfully as well. Under threat of attack, the US had sent money, lots of it, to Ukraine. There was $4 Billion in US aid that got lifted by big players in Ukraine, just disappeared. Trump couldn't get the US officials onboard with retrieving it (due to religious reasons) so he sent Guilianni. They both got attacked over it as we all saw, but the attacks were not due to "trying to take back the money we stole from you" of course. They clawed back under $2 billion and $2 billion got to stay with jewish oligarchs in Ukraine.

I believe if Trump had turned a blind eye, he'd have had a second term. Hard to believe that $ can cause all that trouble, but it's money and power. In WW1, President Wilson, who had ran claiming to be the peace candidate, after announcing war, put a Jewish fella named Bernard Barauch in charge of all war funding. This guy had a $10 billion budget. Any jewish person with a company, and there were many, got a chunk via a no-bid military contract. Many jews became super rich, there were no investigations of any non-performance on the contracts.

It's easy to make money while the world falls apart is likely what you are seeing here.

[ - ] deleted 3 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 11:25:43 ago (+3/-0)

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[ - ] ghostofvoatspast [op] 0 points 3.3 yearsJan 24, 2022 13:52:18 ago (+0/-0)

On a side note all of these power hunger money chasers are so ignorant. They are like small children, just very unwise in their thinking. They spend their whole life doing things they hate and hurting people in the process just to accumulate more money. They think this makes them strong but this pursuit is such a weakness. It is a wasted life.

[ - ] diggernicks 2 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 19:55:26 ago (+2/-0)

ghostofvoatspast

commenting on others IQ

Thanks nigger, I needed a good laugh

[ - ] ghostofvoatspast [op] 0 points 3.3 yearsJan 24, 2022 13:39:32 ago (+0/-0)

I goed poop

[ - ] _Obrez 1 point 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 17:02:26 ago (+1/-0)

As I understand it Putin's government held ukraine as a puppet state until sorros and western intelligence agencies incited a revolution, that was about a decade ago, the west installed their own puppet government and are injecting globohomo into ukraine which holds kiev an important root for russian culture, their goal is to defeat russia with globohomo propaganda over the long term, putin rejects this and is still super pissed about the fact that the West's puppets in ukraine are turning the screws on the big pipeline russia built there just before the revolution. They want their culture poison to have a foothold on the Cyrillic typing internet.

The west incited the revolution in Ukraine because they wanted europe off russian oil and onto a new jewish owned pipeline they planned to build through syria and turkey, guess what happened when syria said "no"

The biggest and most obvious conspiracy in human history is driving global politics and most people have no fucking clue about it.

[ - ] SparklingWiggle 1 point 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 13:03:20 ago (+1/-0)

Hey, look over there.

[ - ] RecycledElectrons 0 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 22:21:51 ago (+0/-0)

Given what "President" Bidet did in Afghanistan, and the Dims' decades long policy of destroying US power, now is the time to take Ukraine and Taiwan.

[ - ] ghostofvoatspast [op] 0 points 3.3 yearsJan 24, 2022 13:39:03 ago (+0/-0)

I wouldn't be surprised if Russia moves on Ukraine and China on Taiwan at the same time. Make the US decide who to protect.

[ - ] OldGoat 0 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 21:59:21 ago (+0/-0)

I briefly fooled around with a "Ukrainian" Jew in the U.S. She was a cunt. Not that that says anything worse about Jew women than it does women in general, but. Just saying.

[ - ] Empire_of_the_Mind 0 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 19:53:31 ago (+0/-0)

Putin is responding, not making a play.

[ - ] ghostofvoatspast [op] 0 points 3.3 yearsJan 24, 2022 13:39:56 ago (+0/-0)

I support Putin.

[ - ] deleted 0 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 16:33:47 ago (+0/-0)

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[ - ] ghostofvoatspast [op] 0 points 3.3 yearsJan 24, 2022 13:41:35 ago (+0/-0)

I honestly think war is coming. Maybe The war.

[ - ] allahead 0 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 15:48:26 ago (+0/-0)

The whole situation in one sentence:

Russia and Germany built a $10 billion dollar pipeline to bypass Ukraine that is now complete through the North Sea and the USA is telling them they can't run gas through it because the USA wants gas to go through Ukraine's shitty pipelines so USA can take a cut and make sure the transactions are in petro dollars.

[ - ] Belrick 1 point 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 22:17:49 ago (+1/-0)

This explains why Germany told Ukraine to fuk off when they demanded aid against Russia

[ - ] allahead 0 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 22:58:59 ago (+0/-0)

Ukraine and Germany Government houses are paid off fairly well from both sides. From a distance its fucking laughable. Russia and Germany can become the main gas power supplier for Europe but the USA is holding a gun to their head, nope... Gas will flow through Nordstream2 or there will be war.

[ - ] thebearfromstartrack4 0 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 15:31:43 ago (+0/-0)

I think vietnamese orphan babies are behind it. They play the quiet game well. But, not TOO well.

[ - ] MichelleObamasPenis -1 points 3.3 yearsJan 23, 2022 13:02:14 ago (+0/-1)*

[edit: delete it my text that incorrectly said " Russia will not invade Ukraine " . ]

[ - ] ghostofvoatspast [op] 0 points 3.3 yearsJan 24, 2022 13:43:54 ago (+0/-0)

I think you are in for a surprise

[ - ] MichelleObamasPenis 0 points 1.1 yearsMar 29, 2024 06:06:32 ago (+0/-0)

yep, you were right, I was wrong.