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Let's be a little more precise. They're up 15.9% according to these stats. I'm not confirming my belief that proportion is a fact; just that when we are talking about something like this, 4.1% is a massive deviation when standard deviation is (I think you said) approaching 5%. The CDC report attributes Covid-19 to just 21% of the margin, with heart disease and cancer accounting for the rest. Cancer by itself accounts for nearly 37% of the increase.

You say that we have some explaining to do, but what leads us to think that we must account for this entire increase in terms of a single cause, much less a viral pandemic cause that was already accounted for in those figures? This is like saying A, and B and C constitute the margins for increase in mortality, C makes up 21% of the total, but we must explain 100% of the change in terms of C. Why?


In fact they do. And this was done within the previous century. Muh 6 million. Further, it doesn't seem particularly difficult to do so. It was a figure perpetuated and imprinted on a society's historical memory using only the media as a driver. I think it is remarkably simpler to invent fake dead.


I don't see that there was such an incentive at all. Due to hospitals supposedly being overwhelmed, these third party care centers and rehab facilities were being utilized for overflow. It hardly makes sense that these facilities would be trying to cover up that Covid was the cause of the 'many deaths' happening under their watch, since Covid was the premise established in the first place.

These centers are damaged financially by high rates of death. It opens them up to all kinds of problems for their death statistics to be increasing, from liability to being eschewed by prescribing doctors. Think of the kinds of patients served, and the interested parties who might be deciding about placing their loved ones in such facilities. It would make positively no sense for these places to be trying to blame their high rates of death in 2020-1 on anything besides Covid. Rather, Covid justified them. These facilities were a get out of jail free card for hospital systems, because the deaths could be explained with a one-two punch: Covid combined with substandard care from facilities ill-equipped to handle such an influx of special cases.


You may even be underestimating just how so. There wasn't a single implementation in place at any testing site in the country for this particular problem, that is, to serve as a data collection mode for pandemic responses. Again, we're talking about - in many cases - your neighborhood pharmacies and privately owned after-hours kinds of clinics. Not even the vaccine rollout could be tracked using a reliable and central system for data collection - note that vaccine cards contain literally zero information that could be used to connect one individual with one clinic with one employee with one shot (for purposes of tracking). I've spoken with a nurse at just such a clinic who admitted that there are duplicates of 'batch numbers' for particular shots. In principle such a system might have been possible, but things were rolled out too quickly, too much was demanded from an infrastructure that did not have the competency to support this kind of data collection. It was completely unprecedented. To say that there is noise in this process is an understatement - I'd go further: I'd say that for any formal purposes, the data collection in these matters has produced nothing useful (except for inflated statistics to be used by the media to further inflate a fear response).

There is no justification for believing that, if this is the situation with vaccine data collecting, that data pertaining to Covid testing or mortality is going to be any better. As I pointed out before, and which is now public information, we can reason that mortality figures are probably far worse, given that over-diagnosis of Covid, the use of unprecedented first-line measures (ventilators), and declaring death due to Covid were literally all things which were financially incentivized (from the standpoint of hospital admin).


Sure, but to report a number of dead does not mean an actual number of dead. Let's think about a few things (one of these I mentioned in another comment in which I @'d you).

There is an industry for the dead in this country and all developed nations. We can suppose these death industries work according to proven economic principles, i.e. supply and demand. That would mean that the current 'preparedness' for the death industry to 'process' X number of dying Americans was governed by pre-Covid levels. If the industry had offered an overabundance of service level, it would have been driven to scale back by the invisible hand. Given what you've said about the relative stability of all-cause mortality year-to-year, then it is reasonable to think that this industry has also adjusted to probably hold 5% reserve service levels (in either direction). Meaning some services will be likely to under-serve if mortality was higher in one year, while other businesses would be prepared to lap up that excess. A kind of dynamic equilibrium is reached where we don't have bodies piling up in warehouses waiting for burial or incineration.

Now, throw in a deviation in one year equal to a whole order of magnitude. The death industry would not be anywhere near prepared to handle a change on this order, unless they'd be operating completely uneconomically in the past (not at all likely). And what do we know from history? We know that when bodies pile up they become disease vectors. While we've been inundated throughout this pandemic with stories about overwhelmed hospitals, there has been a relative absence of the logical extension: an overwhelmed death industry. It may be that there are some articles out there, published here and there so that they'll be retained in a Google search, to at least discuss using key words something like, "Crematoria overwhelmed". I recall this being a major 'flash piece' early on in this pandemic, used to stir up a lot of fear. Crematoria are overwhelmed! They're burning bodies in fields in some places! Yet, no evidence of that was ever proffered. In fact, that entire line of journalism utterly disappeared from this narrative, despite overall death stats going up in the year to come!.

Second, another logical extension of overwhelmed healthcare systems is that a pandemic would be sensed outside of hospitals, here meaning that we would see the more brutal effects of this outside of hospital walls. We'd see people dying who could not be cared for in proper channels. Are we really going to believe that hospitals absorbed that entire pandemic margin by just lining them up in hospital hallways? That is complete nonsense, and as someone who has visited a few major hospital systems in my state quite regularly during the past year, it is empirically false. I brought this up to a nurse supervisor one evening at the biggest hospital in my region (that things there didn't seem to comport to what the news was saying). She literally smiled and rolled her eyes. The hospital was quiet. No packed waiting rooms. No hallways filled with gurneys with dying Covid patients on them. No doctors running like chickens between floors.

But perhaps that doesn't convince you. I think there is a better and less contestable way to make the point. Low healthcare access has always been and remains an issue for our healthcare system. Given that the homeless are a particularly at-risk population for disproportionately negative outcomes of almost all disease, then we can think that the homeless would be dying at higher (or at least equal) rates due to Covid as any other population.

So are we to think, that even while being overwhelmed in the more general sense, all of the nation's hospital systems were able to - for the first time in fucking history - mop up all of the deadly cases of Covid from the streets? The HC system managed to contain almost the whole fucking thing? Despite not having the acknowledged capacities 'baked in' to deal with an event this large? They did their job better in terms of absolute intake/assessment during this massive stressor on their system than at any time in history?

No, the fact is that if we'd had increases in deaths on this scale due to a highly contagious respiratory virus, there would have been people dying in their homes and on the streets. And this is my point. This could not have gone unnoticed. Recall the original videos from China where people were collapsing in subways and on busses. What happened to videos of this kind? Now, I'm not suggesting that videos of only that kind are what's missing, but instead, I'm pointing to the near complete absence of any visual documentary evidence of this nature (in a world where people flood the internet with pictures of every minor thing you can imagine). We would expect to see pleas from desperate family members of people dying in their homes, or simply morbidly curious people 'journalizing' dead people on the street. There is none. Despite the HC system being overwhelmed. This does not make sense. It defies common sense egregiously.

If you'd looked around your corner of the world, you'd not have known a pandemic was going on, except on the television, because the hospitals had apparently contained that whole thing behind their walls.

Give this a little time to 'cook' in your mind. I think you'll see its obviousness.

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I don’t think so either. I think this was an engineered bioweapons experiment that was funded by the NIH and may have been released intentionally or unintentionally and was exploited by the jewocracy to implement a totalitarian surveillance biological compliance system. Which they already had in the works.

Ivermectin is currently exceedingly cheap. So is HCQ and probably a dozen other treatments that we can use to surpress the virus. I also personally can’t understand how some can be in denial of the fact that covid is a real disease thats much worse than the typical flu since Ive personally been impacted by it and seen a lot of it. But it may seem different to people in other parts of the country.

You should listen to one of Malone’s interviews. He does’t sound like he’s shilling for ivermectin at all.

There is an epidemic. Its not a civilization ending event (unless you include the political bullshit which does seem to be the most harmful aspect of this. But just because the authoritarians turn out to be worse than the virus does not mean the virus doesn’t exist.

What really upsets me is that you guys seem to have mentally bargained away the existence of the virus in order to “get out” of the epidemic, meanwhile about 10 million people really died unnecessarily because of a virus that Anthony Fauci, Peter Daszak, Ralph Baric and Shi Zhengli intentionally created with healthcare funds. They killed millions and will get away with it because the only people who might be angry enough to do something about it are twisting themselves in knots to deny that anyone really died of this bug.

If I was particularly paranoid , I would wonder if this “there is no virus” narrative wasn’t in fact a psyop. The people who caused all this will go scott free if you can be convinced that it was all CDC data shenanigans.