I think the Seventh Day Adventists are heresy, but I agree with thinking the Poke (especially THIS Poke) is anything other than a weapon of Satan is foolish. Pentecostals let women preach. It'll be an easy transition for them.
I’ve been checking out various SDAs for a long time now and none of what you say represents their position, except regarding the recognition that Jesus did not come to abolish the law, something that study of the scriptures and history will clearly reveal as being the fruits of the antichrist roman system. As for the other claims, do you have any sources?
"abolish the law" is sophistry. He came to fulfill the law. The law is no more. Romans 7:1 Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? Romans 7:4-6 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
I said: “except regarding the recognition that Jesus did not come to abolish the law” meaning they keep the law as commanded by Jesus, not for salvation, which is by faith alone, but to live in the love of God.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him... 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. John 14 KJV
"abolish the law" is sophistry
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5 KJV No sophistry, just a clear and unequivocal statement that the law will stand until heaven and earth pass away. In this context to assume that ‘to fulfill the law.’ would somehow mean that ‘The law is no more.’ is facile.
6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
“So we serve in the new way of the spirit” And Paul continues: 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. 12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Romans 7 KJV
They claim salvation through Grace, but then tie it to works.
Only insofar as does scripture: 23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Matthew 23 KJV “Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.” Ephesians 2 KJV 13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. Romans 2 KJV 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. James 2 KJV
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Read that again. He's saying that the law doesn't pass until all be fulfilled, and He says he's come to fulfill it.
Christians should do good works. Works are the natural outgrowth of faith, but your salvation is not dependent on them or your salvation would depend on your efforts and not God's grace. The whole concept makes you a partner with Christ in your salvation. Salvation comes through Christ alone.
Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Romans 11:6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
Romans 5:1-2 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
I still think SDA want to impose the law on people, which is a trick of old Nick.
[ + ] HowDoYouDoFellowNiggers
[ - ] HowDoYouDoFellowNiggers 2 points 3.3 yearsDec 31, 2021 23:09:28 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] SmokeyMeadow
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[ + ] yesiknow
[ - ] yesiknow 4 points 3.3 yearsDec 30, 2021 07:32:46 ago (+5/-1)
Catholics and protestants aren't enemies like shia and sunni, so he can blow t out his cum filled ass.
It was the pope's jew originated jesuits that started the English civil war, and that was a long long time ago and it was about politics.
[ + ] Shitheel
[ - ] Shitheel 3 points 3.3 yearsDec 30, 2021 07:32:27 ago (+3/-0)
My group isn't big enough, so let's find another group we share a common trait with.
[ + ] Reawakened
[ - ] Reawakened 1 point 3.3 yearsDec 30, 2021 10:12:28 ago (+2/-1)
[ + ] doginventer
[ - ] doginventer [op] -2 points 3.3 yearsJan 1, 2022 07:45:09 ago (+0/-2)
What do you find heretical about the SDAs?
[ + ] Reawakened
[ - ] Reawakened 0 points 3.3 yearsJan 1, 2022 08:11:51 ago (+0/-0)
Their idea of salvation is not based on accepting Christ as your lord and savior, but is dependent on suffering to the end to get the crown.
They don't eat pork, which smacks of trying to bring us back under the law, just like Saturday worship.
They believe in salvation through works rather that it being the gift of Grace through Faith.
[ + ] doginventer
[ - ] doginventer [op] -2 points 3.3 yearsJan 1, 2022 08:28:43 ago (+0/-2)
As for the other claims, do you have any sources?
[ + ] Reawakened
[ - ] Reawakened 1 point 3.3 yearsJan 1, 2022 13:29:10 ago (+1/-0)
https://ssnet.org/blog/why-the-investigative-judgment-doctrine-is-sound/
https://www.adventist.org/who-are-seventh-day-adventists/salvation-in-jesus-alone/
"abolish the law" is sophistry. He came to fulfill the law. The law is no more. Romans 7:1 Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? Romans 7:4-6 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
https://record.adventistchurch.com/2018/11/30/the-investigative-judgement-and-our-assurance/
I didn't state that correctly. They claim salvation through Grace, but then tie it to works.
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[ + ] doginventer
[ - ] doginventer [op] -2 points 3.3 yearsJan 1, 2022 17:59:21 ago (+0/-2)
I said: “except regarding the recognition that Jesus did not come to abolish the law” meaning they keep the law as commanded by Jesus, not for salvation, which is by faith alone, but to live in the love of God.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him...
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
John 14 KJV
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5 KJV
No sophistry, just a clear and unequivocal statement that the law will stand until heaven and earth pass away.
In this context to assume that ‘to fulfill the law.’ would somehow mean that ‘The law is no more.’ is facile.
“So we serve in the new way of the spirit”
And Paul continues:
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Romans 7 KJV
Only insofar as does scripture:
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Matthew 23 KJV
“Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”
Ephesians 2 KJV
13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Romans 2 KJV
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
James 2 KJV
[ + ] Reawakened
[ - ] Reawakened -1 points 3.3 yearsJan 1, 2022 23:23:54 ago (+0/-1)
Read that again. He's saying that the law doesn't pass until all be fulfilled, and He says he's come to fulfill it.
Christians should do good works. Works are the natural outgrowth of faith, but your salvation is not dependent on them or your salvation would depend on your efforts and not God's grace. The whole concept makes you a partner with Christ in your salvation. Salvation comes through Christ alone.
Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Romans 11:6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
Romans 5:1-2 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
I still think SDA want to impose the law on people, which is a trick of old Nick.
[ + ] doginventer
[ - ] doginventer [op] 0 points 3.3 yearsJan 3, 2022 07:49:59 ago (+0/-0)
So at least you reject christmas