Yep. Very ancient and very european story btw, "pre-christian" isn't even beginning to describe how old it is. At the very least it dates back to the bronze age, possibly the neolithic.
Every european culture with preserved folklore has tales of heroes, saints or gods who slay/subdue a dragon which was witholding or poisoning the water supply, even hindus. Usually the dragon lives either at the top of a tall mountain or in the clouds and only the hero can access it.
In the christianised version the hero/saint then uses the renown to baptise the locals. Or in one welsh version just threatens to put the dragon back unless they convert (kek).
That's a very good description of a common mythic trope. In some Germanic and Anglo-Saxon folklore, the serpent, snake, or worm is a similar beast and is often conflated with a dragon. These days, the dragon is most commonly associated with Tolkien's use of the dragon in "The Hobbit", who he describes with some of the attributes you mentioned. The good professor knew what he was talking about.
All the originals describe dragons as being a serpent or like a serpent. The idea of them having legs and wings is modern. I think "wyrm" is the saxon word.
The only english version of the story I know is called the Lambton worm. It's a kind of prodigal son type story where the heir to the throne is a wastrel, but when he sees a monster in the local river ruining the lives of the peasants he turns to god and devotes himself to training and prayer. He has a blacksmith forge him a suit covered in spikes and wades into the river to do battle. The dragon tries to kill him by wrapping itself around him and crushing him, but the spikes injure it and it's unable to defeat him. Eventually he kills it by cutting off his head. The peasants celebrate him and his father accepts him back into the royal household.
The Irish version was heavily edited by early christians: All the gods became ancestral warriors/kings and the dragon becomes an enemy king (balor). He still performs all of the same functions as the original dragon though and his main feature is that he has an evil eye whose stare lays the landscape barren and turns soldiers to stone. Which is the primary feature of greek descriptions of the dragon. Eventually he's defeated by Lugh Lámhfada who becomes the second king of men (the first being Nuada Lámhairgead).
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That's what they tell you now, I have growing suspicions that this is the representation of the destruction of the country Tartaria, the erasure of this Nation from history, and the subsequent falsification of history. You can see it in multiple places, such as the Coat of Arms of Moscow, the capital of the nation that swallowed Tartaria and issued official orders to rewrite the history of Tartaria.
Well, the core narrative is about an evil god bringing drought which people are trying to end by offering more and more extreme sacrifices, then an indo-european hero god slays the evil deity thereby ending the need for such sacrifice (only more modest sacrifices to IE gods).
Pretty sure it's an environmental disaster, possibly a solar minimum. They are a real part of history and tend to destroy whatever civilisations exist at the time.
Well, it is literally a narrative in this case, as in a story element. That word did mean something before cultural marxists started misusing it to imply there's no such thing as objective truth.
I'm no ignorant fuck but that's the first I heard of the boxer Rebellion.
All we really learn about China in the UK, is that time they tried to stop us selling opium to them and had a war over it, even then it was glossed over
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Every european culture with preserved folklore has tales of heroes, saints or gods who slay/subdue a dragon which was witholding or poisoning the water supply, even hindus. Usually the dragon lives either at the top of a tall mountain or in the clouds and only the hero can access it.
In the christianised version the hero/saint then uses the renown to baptise the locals. Or in one welsh version just threatens to put the dragon back unless they convert (kek).
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The only english version of the story I know is called the Lambton worm. It's a kind of prodigal son type story where the heir to the throne is a wastrel, but when he sees a monster in the local river ruining the lives of the peasants he turns to god and devotes himself to training and prayer. He has a blacksmith forge him a suit covered in spikes and wades into the river to do battle. The dragon tries to kill him by wrapping itself around him and crushing him, but the spikes injure it and it's unable to defeat him. Eventually he kills it by cutting off his head. The peasants celebrate him and his father accepts him back into the royal household.
The Irish version was heavily edited by early christians: All the gods became ancestral warriors/kings and the dragon becomes an enemy king (balor). He still performs all of the same functions as the original dragon though and his main feature is that he has an evil eye whose stare lays the landscape barren and turns soldiers to stone. Which is the primary feature of greek descriptions of the dragon. Eventually he's defeated by Lugh Lámhfada who becomes the second king of men (the first being Nuada Lámhairgead).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYEBxo6ZEy4
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Pretty sure it's an environmental disaster, possibly a solar minimum. They are a real part of history and tend to destroy whatever civilisations exist at the time.
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Tartaria was systematically destroyed out by multinational coalitions and then and wiped from history.
Moscow and Tver, the story is not true.
Ghenghis Khan, the story is not true.
Buddha, story is false.
Boxer Rebellion, here's one I could pull a quick link from my history: https://www.stolenhistory.org/articles/1899-1901-boxer-rebellion-what-are-they-hiding.354/
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I'm no ignorant fuck but that's the first I heard of the boxer Rebellion.
All we really learn about China in the UK, is that time they tried to stop us selling opium to them and had a war over it, even then it was glossed over
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How much do Saxons love their King George?
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