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[ - ] ModernGuilt 7 points 2.4 yearsDec 6, 2021 12:26:04 ago (+7/-0)

Asset forfeiture. A person has the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty, but jews molested law enforcement to decouple your assets from that. Your money has the burden of proof to declare innocence

[ - ] LawFag 6 points 2.4 yearsDec 6, 2021 13:06:21 ago (+6/-0)

Procedurally off a bit but functionally 100% accurate. Here's how this dumb shit works. He will have to file a challenge to the civil asset forfeiture complaint that the DOJ will file in federal court. It is an in rem proceeding which means that the case is, as you described, against the cash itself. Important note: inanimate objects do not have constitutional rights. The interested party (owner) must file an answer within a certain time or he forfeits it. Even though it is being confiscated for a criminal related reason, it is a civil case which means that the government must prove (discussed briefly later) by a preponderance of the evidence (more likely than not / 50.01%+) that the money was, in a nutshell, used for or obtained from illicit acts. This is much lower than the beyond a reasonable doubt standard (~95%) for criminal cases. I do not know why it is like this but that's the way congress says it is going to work for now.

You are only technically wrong in saying that the money has the burden of proof for innocence. In function, that's exactly how it works. What actually happens procedurally is the government will allege in the complaint that the officers said it smelled like weed. Now, because it is a preponderance standard of more likely than not, with only that information available, it is more likely than not that the money was part of a drug deal and thus subject to forfeiture. Now the defendant has to produce some evidence that will overcome the smell evidence in order to flip the burden back onto the government.

Basically, the entire problem comes from the fact that the government is allowed to do asset forfeiture through civil proceedings with a lower standard. Also, it is a civil proceeding which means that the criminal constitutional rights do not apply. You can't plead the fifth in a civil case. I would say that the problem is that you shouldn't elect people to write laws that don't have law degrees but, let's be honest, they would probably do it this way since they are all corrupt fucking sub-animal pieces of garbage.

[ - ] Broc_Liath 3 points 2.4 yearsDec 6, 2021 15:56:31 ago (+3/-0)

They did the same thing over here when I was a kid. A journalist got murdered by a drug gang she was covering, so instead of investigating the murder and punishing the murderers the government reacted in a typically overboard fashion and created a new agency that can seize anyone's assets, then that person has to prove in court that they were obtained from legitimate earnings.

Basically, the entire problem comes from the fact that the government is allowed to do asset forfeiture through civil proceedings with a lower standard.

Same applies to traffic cameras doesn't it?

I would say that the problem is that you shouldn't elect people to write laws that don't have law degrees but, let's be honest, they would probably do it this way since they are all corrupt fucking sub-animal pieces of garbage.

Oh they all have law degrees over here, there's no excuse. They know full well what they're doing.

[ - ] localsal 5 points 2.4 yearsDec 6, 2021 11:36:41 ago (+5/-0)

Zogbots had no reason to stop him....

how did they know he had the cash on him? Some sort of detector for large quantities of cash?

Drive with cash in a faraday cage.

[ - ] Roy_Batty 7 points 2.4 yearsDec 6, 2021 12:19:38 ago (+7/-0)

He flat out told the police he had a large amount of cash on him, so that they didn't find a pile of undisclosed money, and think it was suspicious and then seize it. Never trust the cops, they are not your buddies.

[ - ] localsal 5 points 2.4 yearsDec 6, 2021 12:22:10 ago (+5/-0)

Only after getting pulled over.

The story (missing details??) says that he wasn't violating any laws, and that the zogbot complimented his driving...

Soooooo, what was the cause for the stop???

[ - ] Prairie 0 points 2.4 yearsDec 7, 2021 04:35:46 ago (+0/-0)

He was driving below the speed limit, and had too little following distance behind a truck. Institute for Justice video on it with officer video. The guy basically tried to be helpful and stepped right into the monster's trap.

[ - ] Thought_Criminal 1 point 2.4 yearsDec 6, 2021 16:39:48 ago (+1/-0)

They were told by some one or some three letters.

[ - ] localsal 1 point 2.4 yearsDec 6, 2021 16:47:29 ago (+1/-0)

Entirely possible - maybe the bank? Depends on when he withdrew the cash and when he drove with it.

I wouldn't rule out the zogbots having some tech to track the new bills though. This isn't the first story I have heard of a "random" pullover ending up with a large amount of cash confiscated.

[ - ] Jerd34 2 points 2.4 yearsDec 6, 2021 19:51:53 ago (+2/-0)

All cops are enemies of the people. Some of us swore an oath to protect the constitution from all enemies foreign or domestic. There's a tipping point, and they know it. They only have a very limited capacity to police and control us. We need to understand this and use it against them. We must organize or we're dead

[ - ] SparklingWiggle 1 point 2.4 yearsDec 6, 2021 19:06:01 ago (+1/-0)

The Constitution clearly states the government cannot simply seize property. Blood needs to be shed.

[ - ] winners_history 2 points 2.4 yearsDec 6, 2021 19:32:19 ago (+2/-0)

The whole of "Civil Law" is designed to bypass Constitutional protections. It's purposely arranged so they can take/do things without charging the person, incurring a burden of proof, or even giving the person a right to confront their 'accuser'.

[ - ] thebearfromstartrack4 1 point 2.4 yearsDec 6, 2021 17:58:00 ago (+1/-0)

Do you suppose they TRACKED him after learning he withdrew all that cash? WHY did they pull him over in the first place?

[ - ] derpfroot 1 point 2.4 yearsDec 6, 2021 17:26:15 ago (+1/-0)

Did civil asset forfeiture surpass burglaries last year (dollars to worth stolen)?

[ - ] YamaMaya 0 points 2.4 yearsDec 6, 2021 10:00:46 ago (+0/-0)

Zogbots zogging zogbots