"Researchers cannot determine why older people have stronger immune responses to infection." MSN.
Well I will tell you why .. it is because they have been sucking in infectious disease spores in every breath they have taken since birth, the ones who have survived unto "old age" have acquired natural immunity a la the pharmaceutical immunity the vax's are supposed to provide.
They die only when cold most often coupled with malnutrition lowers their tolerance and they develop colds, that become influenza which morphs into pleurisy, as the pneumonia spores take hold.
During the extra long and cold winter of 2014 there were an extra 1800 or so deaths of older Britons each month, whereas while there are about 480,000 registered charities in the UK that rake in billion$, no one turned up on their doorstep with hot soup and a bag of briquettes .. shame on them.
I think it's because boomers have a far better diet; don't smoke; don't drink much; get more exercise; and have a better mental disposition (happier). I mean if you were God's chosen generation, wouldn't you be happy?
Cross-reactivity of antibodies from non-hospitalized COVID-19 positive individuals against the native, B.1.351, B.1.617.2, and P.1 SARS-CoV-2 spike proteins - Jodaylami et al, Nov 2021 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-00844-z
Because MSM hot takes are shit as a rule. You should know— don’t you guys “fucking love science” or somthin? Can we please link to the actual studies as well as the fucking daily mail summaries?
Its because the boomers had worse infections. Younger people who had brief mild and asymptomatic infections because their innate immune response was highly effective and fast shut down the viral replication “too soon”. They are really only exposed to the external antigens, or epitopes, of the virus such as the spike. Additional replication seen in moderate and severe cases will result in a more full adaptive immune response which builds more KINDS OF ANTIBODIES (IgG, IgM, IgA) and antibodies to MORE VIRAL ANTIGENS, antigens from inside the virus for example, because the immune system is presented with more “viral debris”. People with mild cases may be destined to get the infection multiple times. Their humoral immune response may be very limited (antibodies only to spike) and also short lived , much like the vaccine immunity. Not robust. In otherwords less likely to add to long term herd immunity. (Isn’t that what we want? One wonders.)
The team also found that people who receive the Pfizer-BioNTech or AstraZeneca Covid vaccines are more protected from the virus than those relying on natural immunity alone.
That was not established at all.
They established that the older subjects— all of whom were infected before any major variants appeared (more than a year ago)— had antibodies with a similar affinity to the spike proteins of later variants as vaccine induced antibodies. That is a no brainer because early infected subjects would have been presented with nearly identical spike proteins as the ones created by the vax. Duh. But since the suspected additional robustness of natural immunity is not from antibodies to spike but to other antigens, it is IRRELEVANT.
The other finding is that subjects that were infected and vaccinated had higher titers of spike antibodies than those who had the natural infection alone, especially younger people. This is another duh. Young people who had mild infections more than a year ago would have had no or short lived narrow immunity to spike which would have expired quickly. If they got vaccinated 6 months ago that short term narrow immunity would have been renewed temporarily. But it has been shown to last about 8 months by one study. You will never get to herd immunity this way.
The result of focusing solely on spike protein immunity is that a tremendous selective pressure has been put on the spike to evolve since it is the key to EXPLOITING several billion VACCINATED bodies. Yum!
The only way to reach herd immunity will be to develop a far better vaccine- one that works for longer than 8 months and is NON LEAKEY, as opposed to the current vaccine which is resulting in more infectious variants, (and preferably one that doesn’t kill everybody), and better drug protocols— particularly antivirals for early stage covid to circumvent severe covid in high risk people.
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Well I will tell you why .. it is because they have been sucking in infectious disease spores in every breath they have taken since birth, the ones who have survived unto "old age" have acquired natural immunity a la the pharmaceutical immunity the vax's are supposed to provide.
They die only when cold most often coupled with malnutrition lowers their tolerance and they develop colds, that become influenza which morphs into pleurisy, as the pneumonia spores take hold.
During the extra long and cold winter of 2014 there were an extra 1800 or so deaths of older Britons each month, whereas while there are about 480,000 registered charities in the UK that rake in billion$, no one turned up on their doorstep with hot soup and a bag of briquettes .. shame on them.
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Cross-reactivity of antibodies from non-hospitalized COVID-19 positive individuals against the native, B.1.351, B.1.617.2, and P.1 SARS-CoV-2 spike proteins - Jodaylami et al, Nov 2021
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-00844-z
Because MSM hot takes are shit as a rule. You should know— don’t you guys “fucking love science” or somthin?
Can we please link to the actual studies as well as the fucking daily mail summaries?
Its because the boomers had worse infections. Younger people who had brief mild and asymptomatic infections because their innate immune response was highly effective and fast shut down the viral replication “too soon”. They are really only exposed to the external antigens, or epitopes, of the virus such as the spike. Additional replication seen in moderate and severe cases will result in a more full adaptive immune response which builds more KINDS OF ANTIBODIES (IgG, IgM, IgA) and antibodies to MORE VIRAL ANTIGENS, antigens from inside the virus for example, because the immune system is presented with more “viral debris”. People with mild cases may be destined to get the infection multiple times. Their humoral immune response may be very limited (antibodies only to spike) and also short lived , much like the vaccine immunity. Not robust. In otherwords less likely to add to long term herd immunity. (Isn’t that what we want? One wonders.)
That was not established at all.
They established that the older subjects— all of whom were infected before any major variants appeared (more than a year ago)— had antibodies with a similar affinity to the spike proteins of later variants as vaccine induced antibodies. That is a no brainer because early infected subjects would have been presented with nearly identical spike proteins as the ones created by the vax. Duh. But since the suspected additional robustness of natural immunity is not from antibodies to spike but to other antigens, it is IRRELEVANT.
The other finding is that subjects that were infected and vaccinated had higher titers of spike antibodies than those who had the natural infection alone, especially younger people. This is another duh. Young people who had mild infections more than a year ago would have had no or short lived narrow immunity to spike which would have expired quickly. If they got vaccinated 6 months ago that short term narrow immunity would have been renewed temporarily. But it has been shown to last about 8 months by one study. You will never get to herd immunity this way.
The result of focusing solely on spike protein immunity is that a tremendous selective pressure has been put on the spike to evolve since it is the key to EXPLOITING several billion VACCINATED bodies. Yum!
The only way to reach herd immunity will be to develop a far better vaccine- one that works for longer than 8 months and is NON LEAKEY, as opposed to the current vaccine which is resulting in more infectious variants, (and preferably one that doesn’t kill everybody), and better drug protocols— particularly antivirals for early stage covid to circumvent severe covid in high risk people.
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