I question it. I don’t think its a strong theory. Remind me then. Can you say it in your own words? Because everytime this shit comes up I get 10,000 links to 100,000 hours worth of mindless boring conspiracy videos that are all over the place. No one can just give me the straight shit. I don’t want your fuckin links. If you can’t summarize why “tower 7” is supposed to mean so much to me you have failed to sway me. I have seen a couple of analysis and I dont find the tower 7 collapse air tight evidence at all of intentional demo and if I did I dont find it to be evidence of any particular actor. Please dont say “some government offices” because they have offices all over the place. Any accusations of my jewishness constitute automatic disqualification.
If youve got some really hot tip or some great new insight I don’t know about, I am open to it. I honestly am. Lay it on me.
Im not following any links. I said that. Ive gone down that rabbit hole a couple times. I didn’t see anything that really impressed me. And the question is why? Why would a bunch of jews blow up jew central? Why would the CIA or the state department decide the best way to start a war with Iraq was to blow up Manhattan? IMO they just took advantage of an opportunity that presented itself which is what jews are good at. I don’t believe the Israelis or a bunch of state dept kikes are planning everything out 20 moves in advance. I just think they act instinctively in concert to exploit opportunities. Like a pack of muslims flying planes in to the WTC. I could be wrong. But thats the most obvious explanation to me.
Demonstrably false. I don’t believe the holohoax. I was posting on Voat evidence of genetic engineering of coronaviruses by the US gov. in February of 2020, before it was cool. Im not impressed with your purity spiral.
agree with me or your a shabbos.
I find this sort of argument simply unacceptable. Someone made a pro-vax post yesterday. I was able to give an informational summary of my knowlege on the subject of why vaxes are dangerous in about 1500 words off the top of my head, no links. Assertions all verifiable. I was able to explain why and how certain risks exist in a laypersons terms. I didn’t reply with a turd like “you just trust everything the govt says” because its a shit argument.
accept shit we say at face value or you’re not one of US.
Thankfully I am well past the point in my life when this sort of argument has any sort of effect on me other than eliciting my contempt .
How hot does a forge get? Does it need jet fuel? I am not a thermodynamics or chemistry expert. But Im guessing its totally possible to acheive similar conditions when there is a lot of fire continuously smoldering under a massive pile of largely combustible rubble. And theoretically the metal structure itself could behave like thermite
And the question is why? Why would a bunch of jews blow up jew central?
I was in the same boat as you. All the theories around "controlled demolition" seemed pointless and contrived when planes flying into the towers was the obvious explanation, and other theories were just useless rabbit holes -- until I watched one non-batshit documentary.
Why demo the towers? Because they were in dire straights. They needed major renovations which was prohibitively expensive because of asbestos used throughout the buildings. World Trade Center's owner, "Lucky" Larry Silverstein (who just happened to not be in the building that day because of a dentist appointment), got a major insurance payout and a chance to start over, with no cost in demolition. Israel got their war on terror. And the military industrial complex reaped a bonanza in new military spending on a new Forever War. And the chicken hawk neocons got their new Perl Harbor to establish their plan to project power as the sole superpower in the world after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
That's my no-link explanation. Now I'll give you the link in case you want to watch the documentary that made me rethink 9/11 conspiracy theories: https://www.bitchute.com/video/Lp81hoFneM4z/
It's really well done and not full of stupid shit like holograms. Full of facts that are hard to explain, even for the debunkers.
Its possible but is so absurd that this silverstein would take the risk of perpetrating a mass murder of this magnitude and that the alphabet agencies/pentagon would risk engaging in a conspiracy with him. So many lower risk strategies to deal with those problems that are more practicle. I see how many of these people personally benefitted from the crisis. But thats opportunism. And failure of gov agencies to respond to pre-attack information is typical of the complacency you see in bureaucracies.
Im not really interested in “debunking”. I do not have access to the definitive information, and do I think the government is being forthright and open on 9/11? No fucking way. But I have to conclude the most likely explanation of these events at the end of the day. Im just really skeptical of some of these conspiracy assertions.
Its possible but is so absurd that this silverstein would take the risk of perpetrating a mass murder of this magnitude and that the alphabet agencies/pentagon would risk engaging in a conspiracy with him.
Now you're moving the goalposts. You asked for the "why" without links, and I gave it to you. But having noted that, let's address your point. Early on, I too felt a conspiracy of this magnitude was insane and rejected it. But it's not without precedent.
Have you heard of Operation Northwoods? A plan approved by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and sent to Kennedy, which he rejected? It was going to be false flag terror attacks against US citizens. That's insane. Now you may say they didn't actually carry it out, but that's because Kennedy rejected it. It's insane they put it down on paper, approved it, and sent it to Kennedy. People at the top are psychos.
Now we know Israel was involved with the Dancing Israelis. That's also insane but not without precedent -- there's the attack on the USS Liberty and the Lavon Affair. So that's already a conspiracy beyond just a bunch of Muslims. Given that Larry Silverstein is part of the tribe and a top-level billion dollar player, how absurd is it to think he might go along with such a scheme? He doesn't have to do any heavy lifting, just make a few moves.
Look, I'm not certain how deep it goes. The Israeli involvement to me is proven beyond question. But there's plenty of smoking guns beyond that. I at least don't reject it out of hand like I used to.
Yeah. You have done what I asked. You have summarized without a bunch of links what you think. You pass. Im just challenging some of these assumptions.
I still think its far to risky to attempt to unload a financial liability in this way considering you could be risking execution and worldwide infamy as a war criminal. And government workers would have to risk creating a many person conspiracy within their organizations. Thats a big risk too. People would be afraid of being discovered or being exed out because they knew too much.
People at the top are psychos.
Oh I agree. They are also not stupid and don’t like to risk their own assholes.
Now we know Israel was involved with the Dancing Israelis.
We know some Israeli dudes were dancing around because jews are jews.
We know some Israeli dudes were dancing around because jews are jews.
Who just happened to be arrested on 9/11 with thousands of dollars in cash and plane tickets to leave the country the next day. Come on, dude. It's one thing to be skeptical. It's another to be willfully ignorant.
Have you ever been to an orthodox community? Have them empty their pockets. On any given day 20 or 30 percent of them will be carrying plane tickets to Israel and thousands of dollars in cash. It literally signifies nothing. They are always laundering money. They are always going to israel.
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If youve got some really hot tip or some great new insight I don’t know about, I am open to it. I honestly am. Lay it on me.
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Or jet fuel.
Im not following any links. I said that. Ive gone down that rabbit hole a couple times. I didn’t see anything that really impressed me. And the question is why? Why would a bunch of jews blow up jew central? Why would the CIA or the state department decide the best way to start a war with Iraq was to blow up Manhattan? IMO they just took advantage of an opportunity that presented itself which is what jews are good at. I don’t believe the Israelis or a bunch of state dept kikes are planning everything out 20 moves in advance. I just think they act instinctively in concert to exploit opportunities. Like a pack of muslims flying planes in to the WTC. I could be wrong. But thats the most obvious explanation to me.
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I find this sort of argument simply unacceptable. Someone made a pro-vax post yesterday. I was able to give an informational summary of my knowlege on the subject of why vaxes are dangerous in about 1500 words off the top of my head, no links. Assertions all verifiable. I was able to explain why and how certain risks exist in a laypersons terms. I didn’t reply with a turd like “you just trust everything the govt says” because its a shit argument.
Thankfully I am well past the point in my life when this sort of argument has any sort of effect on me other than eliciting my contempt .
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Apparently steel beams+kerosene = thermite
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I was in the same boat as you. All the theories around "controlled demolition" seemed pointless and contrived when planes flying into the towers was the obvious explanation, and other theories were just useless rabbit holes -- until I watched one non-batshit documentary.
Why demo the towers? Because they were in dire straights. They needed major renovations which was prohibitively expensive because of asbestos used throughout the buildings. World Trade Center's owner, "Lucky" Larry Silverstein (who just happened to not be in the building that day because of a dentist appointment), got a major insurance payout and a chance to start over, with no cost in demolition. Israel got their war on terror. And the military industrial complex reaped a bonanza in new military spending on a new Forever War. And the chicken hawk neocons got their new Perl Harbor to establish their plan to project power as the sole superpower in the world after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
That's my no-link explanation. Now I'll give you the link in case you want to watch the documentary that made me rethink 9/11 conspiracy theories: https://www.bitchute.com/video/Lp81hoFneM4z/
It's really well done and not full of stupid shit like holograms. Full of facts that are hard to explain, even for the debunkers.
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Im not really interested in “debunking”. I do not have access to the definitive information, and do I think the government is being forthright and open on 9/11? No fucking way. But I have to conclude the most likely explanation of these events at the end of the day. Im just really skeptical of some of these conspiracy assertions.
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Now you're moving the goalposts. You asked for the "why" without links, and I gave it to you. But having noted that, let's address your point. Early on, I too felt a conspiracy of this magnitude was insane and rejected it. But it's not without precedent.
Have you heard of Operation Northwoods? A plan approved by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and sent to Kennedy, which he rejected? It was going to be false flag terror attacks against US citizens. That's insane. Now you may say they didn't actually carry it out, but that's because Kennedy rejected it. It's insane they put it down on paper, approved it, and sent it to Kennedy. People at the top are psychos.
Now we know Israel was involved with the Dancing Israelis. That's also insane but not without precedent -- there's the attack on the USS Liberty and the Lavon Affair. So that's already a conspiracy beyond just a bunch of Muslims. Given that Larry Silverstein is part of the tribe and a top-level billion dollar player, how absurd is it to think he might go along with such a scheme? He doesn't have to do any heavy lifting, just make a few moves.
Look, I'm not certain how deep it goes. The Israeli involvement to me is proven beyond question. But there's plenty of smoking guns beyond that. I at least don't reject it out of hand like I used to.
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I still think its far to risky to attempt to unload a financial liability in this way considering you could be risking execution and worldwide infamy as a war criminal. And government workers would have to risk creating a many person conspiracy within their organizations. Thats a big risk too. People would be afraid of being discovered or being exed out because they knew too much.
Oh I agree. They are also not stupid and don’t like to risk their own assholes.
We know some Israeli dudes were dancing around because jews are jews.
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Who just happened to be arrested on 9/11 with thousands of dollars in cash and plane tickets to leave the country the next day. Come on, dude. It's one thing to be skeptical. It's another to be willfully ignorant.
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The jewish conditioning is strong with this one.
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But really it's as simple as asking you to show us another concrete and steel building that experience internal collapse solely due to fire damage.
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"Or jet fuel."
Typical vagina doesn't understand that kerosene doesn't burn hot enough for long enough to cut steel bars.
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