Totalitarianism is a failed experiment. It produces slaves, the ruling class eventually lose allegiance to their nation and fuck them over and the mounting knowledge problems produce poverty and decaying infrastructure.
"It produces slaves, the ruling class eventually lose allegiance to their nation"
You sure you're not talking about the laughable facade that is modern democracy? The ruling class treats our nation like an economic zone to be ravaged for financial gain. If you cannot see how a government built to look after the collective good of Whites would be far superior, I'm not really sure what to tell you.
[ - ] Broc_Liath 1 point 3.7 yearsAug 18, 2021 09:40:56 ago (+1/-0)*
You sure you're not talking about the laughable facade that is modern democracy?
Both. Same problems. If you make success in your society dependent on obediance and dependence then you will breed and obedient and dependent nation.
If you cannot see how a government built to look after the collective good of Whites would be far superior, I'm not really sure what to tell you.
If you can't see how it would stop caring about our collective good after a couple of generations at most I'm not really sure what to tell you.
Any time I've debated this with fascists they've claimed that the population will be simultaneously obedient and rebellious. So if the government is doing what it's supposed to they will follow it without question, but the moment it becomes a threat they'll suddenly become self organising and able to work outside of it. That is massively contradictory.
In practice, the only rights that exist are the ones you regularly practice, if a nation should have the right to overthrow a corrupt government then rebellion and secession need to be regular events that everyone participates in as easily as they practice free speech and bearing arms.
Fascism emphasises unity to the point where breaking away from a rotten system or even reforming it would be psychologically impossible to the people inhabiting it.
The government should stay out of decent peoples lives and let them be independent. But it should have the strength and resolve to utterly annihilate foreign enemies, and domestic enemies attempting to degenerate society.
So, 99% of people would be free in their self reliance, while their government was there to burn down the next school of transfaggery. The government should have a zero tolerance policy on some private citizens selling their land to chinese communists, but let people do what they want otherwise. (To the degree of a decent moral white nation, so no yiddy kiddy fuckin, no sellin out to the communists, no forming nigger acceptance communities, etc.)
Had we a good stock of decent white men, and could we ensure no crypto-jew infiltration, I dont see why people wouldnt happily exist with a "fascist libertarian" government. Defending decency and freedom with an iron fist.
I think a major problem is that jews have managed to meme fascism (civic-national socialism) so hard as the only alternative to jewish-socialsm that people have started to use it as a by-word for more general concepts like patriotism or nationalsm.
If that's what you mean by it then fine, but you should keep in mind that as political ideas go, fascism is one of the most tightly defined and has a very specific meaning as outlined by it's originators. Not all of their ideas were bad, but some of the core ones were quite thoroughly tested and did not work. It's also completely incompatible with ideas like libertarianism.
Anyhow, I'd still say that expecting a single central institution to take on all the roles you've outlined there and not become a corrupt achilles heel is expecting too much. My preferred solution would be to have separate institutions for separate purposes, and membership of those institutions should be voluntary.
For example, even if an individual has the right to defend their own land with their own arms, it's impractical to do so. So they might band together with neighbours to form a militia and agree on a certain breakdown of duties and contributions as a condition of membership, but the individual should always have the right to withdraw with their property intact and form a new militia or join another one. Militias should be limited in size, but they can always cooperate and form alliances for larger projects.
This is significantly more robust than a centralised government/national army solution as it is monumentally more difficult to corrupt every militia at once and prevent the groups who recognise what's happening from breaking away and self organising.
Also, the fact that citizens are engaged on a daily basis in organising their defence rather than just following whatever the fuhrer says means that if a central NATO militia becomes corrupt, they have all the right tools and inclinations to replace it, rather than trusting the plan and hoping someone else solves the problem for them.
No matter what kind of social order you propose it's going to work better with high IQ low time preference people. That doesn't mean the social order doesn't matter though. No amount of high IQ will ever make central planning work and a state that rewards obedience above all else will end up weak and ripe for invasion.
I have a pair of pants that always make me think of this picture. Im not quite so, refined, looking. But i think when i dress the part i also make a damn good lookin fascist.
People these days have no style, lookin like communists and niggers.
Im alright with wearing the clothes when i find a comfortable fit. But I'm full on wild-man otherwise. Tie it back, put the oil in the beard, slap the nice clothes on, I'm the furry fascist of fury.
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You sure you're not talking about the laughable facade that is modern democracy? The ruling class treats our nation like an economic zone to be ravaged for financial gain. If you cannot see how a government built to look after the collective good of Whites would be far superior, I'm not really sure what to tell you.
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 1 point 3.7 yearsAug 18, 2021 09:40:56 ago (+1/-0)*
Both. Same problems. If you make success in your society dependent on obediance and dependence then you will breed and obedient and dependent nation.
If you can't see how it would stop caring about our collective good after a couple of generations at most I'm not really sure what to tell you.
Any time I've debated this with fascists they've claimed that the population will be simultaneously obedient and rebellious. So if the government is doing what it's supposed to they will follow it without question, but the moment it becomes a threat they'll suddenly become self organising and able to work outside of it. That is massively contradictory.
In practice, the only rights that exist are the ones you regularly practice, if a nation should have the right to overthrow a corrupt government then rebellion and secession need to be regular events that everyone participates in as easily as they practice free speech and bearing arms.
Fascism emphasises unity to the point where breaking away from a rotten system or even reforming it would be psychologically impossible to the people inhabiting it.
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[ - ] Mr7Slug 0 points 3.7 yearsAug 18, 2021 10:20:33 ago (+0/-0)
So, 99% of people would be free in their self reliance, while their government was there to burn down the next school of transfaggery. The government should have a zero tolerance policy on some private citizens selling their land to chinese communists, but let people do what they want otherwise. (To the degree of a decent moral white nation, so no yiddy kiddy fuckin, no sellin out to the communists, no forming nigger acceptance communities, etc.)
Had we a good stock of decent white men, and could we ensure no crypto-jew infiltration, I dont see why people wouldnt happily exist with a "fascist libertarian" government. Defending decency and freedom with an iron fist.
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 1 point 3.7 yearsAug 18, 2021 12:10:22 ago (+1/-0)
If that's what you mean by it then fine, but you should keep in mind that as political ideas go, fascism is one of the most tightly defined and has a very specific meaning as outlined by it's originators. Not all of their ideas were bad, but some of the core ones were quite thoroughly tested and did not work. It's also completely incompatible with ideas like libertarianism.
Anyhow, I'd still say that expecting a single central institution to take on all the roles you've outlined there and not become a corrupt achilles heel is expecting too much. My preferred solution would be to have separate institutions for separate purposes, and membership of those institutions should be voluntary.
For example, even if an individual has the right to defend their own land with their own arms, it's impractical to do so. So they might band together with neighbours to form a militia and agree on a certain breakdown of duties and contributions as a condition of membership, but the individual should always have the right to withdraw with their property intact and form a new militia or join another one. Militias should be limited in size, but they can always cooperate and form alliances for larger projects.
This is significantly more robust than a centralised government/national army solution as it is monumentally more difficult to corrupt every militia at once and prevent the groups who recognise what's happening from breaking away and self organising.
Also, the fact that citizens are engaged on a daily basis in organising their defence rather than just following whatever the fuhrer says means that if a central NATO militia becomes corrupt, they have all the right tools and inclinations to replace it, rather than trusting the plan and hoping someone else solves the problem for them.
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ok boomer
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https://www.bitchute.com/video/Lg5nqfIHt6Ee/
And Gerald L. K. Smith
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Q0rVBL8293iC/
https://voat.xyz/v/GeorgeLincolnRockwell
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People these days have no style, lookin like communists and niggers.
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