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Is it time to completely remove Anon-posting?

submitted by aleleopathic to whatever 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 17:15:37 ago (+44/-1)     (whatever)

Made this at Cynabun's suggestion - come weigh in all. Originating thread: https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost.php?postid=6111f97114350&commentid=6111f9e331d03

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I believe I make a complete argument for removal. Short version:

The community is what makes this, or any, site.
 Bad actors don't invade to gain points, they invade to poison the community.
We're already anonymous through our usernames, which are pseudonyms.
 What we call 'anon' posting is simply posting without context.
The only innate 'defense' against anon is that points aren't saved. By contrast, context provides a complete defense when pseudonyms are used.
 The current anti-anon defense is meaningless. Given that a loss of points are the only sign of burning the defensive resources of the community, it means that the community's defenses are burned for free when defending in anon threads.

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Again, many of us don't care about points, and certainly none of our shills and related do. Shills aren't invading to gain internet points - they are invading to poison the community.

With anon, only system can defend us (we can see how well this model worked for the chans), and even then, he still has to unmask the posters and use prior context to do it. Without anon posting, we can defend ourselves. I've written at length in previous comments about why context is key to breaking the primary attacks that made the chans unusable: https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost.php?postid=60f79b500d74e&commentid=60f7c98732190

Weigh in everybody.


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[ - ] system 8 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 21:14:51 ago (+10006/-2)*

Anon posting is not going anywhere. I remember when it was added to voat.co and I thought it was genius. And it is. It allows for a chan-like experience on a reddit-like site. The best of both worlds. I do hear all the concerns in this thread however, and I am not opposed to putting a points or account age restriction on it. Or maybe something else. Let me know what you think.

Edit: I've artificially increased the votes on this comment to get to the top, as there is no sticky for comments. Just want my opinion heard and to get feedback on how anon can be improved.

[ - ] yesiknow 3 points 2.7 yearsAug 11, 2021 06:44:03 ago (+3/-0)

Why not add the word "coward" to every anon sub title.

[ - ] aleleopathic [op] 2 points 2.7 yearsAug 11, 2021 01:51:40 ago (+2/-0)*

The big man himself. Hey.

> Anon posting is not going anywhere.

Do mark my words - they will force you to remove it. It is mostly just an inconvenience for us right now, but we are still pretty small. Don't forget that OG Voat had problems with it too, and back then, 8chan was still up. We don't have that lightning rod for us anymore.

> It allows for a chan-like experience on a reddit-like site. [...] The best of both worlds. [...] I am not opposed to [fixes]

'Anon' isn't fixable; the two formats are conceptual opposites: the reddit format is designed for high signal-to-noise single-topic discussion through a crowdsourced information-quality sorting system. The chans are the opposite - low SNR, information-recency sorting, and off-topic is expected. Both are defended by all-powerful moderators.

OG Voat was the next generation of the reddit format - since goats didn't/still don't much like the god-moderators, community defense was tied into the comment sorting system. This, btw, is the origin of why 'anon' is incompatible with Voat's format.

Idea: The chat is the closest to the chan-like experience. If you are just after recreating the chans, consider adding tabbed, themed 'channels' to chat that someone can host (and can thus moderate) instead of the half-and-half abomination that is 'anon' posting.

FWIW, I'd bet this idea (recreating the chans) would actually get support amongst our community. We have a pretty good cross-section of the community represented in these comments, and, if you look, the halfway mongrel is very unpopular.

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Very interested in your thoughts.

[ - ] Hey_guys_whats_up 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 11, 2021 08:36:46 ago (+3/-2)

I'm getting worried because system won't reply to anyone against anon voting. It's starting to piss me off because they are literally spamming the front page of Voat right now and they are specifically protected from anon posting. This is bullshit, why even have screen names at all? I might as well just spam Voat and upvote my own threads myself, if we can't properly use the site I may as well join in the fun in destroying the site.

[ - ] aleleopathic [op] 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 11, 2021 14:44:33 ago (+0/-0)

I'm getting worried because system won't reply to anyone against anon voting.

I think it might just be a pet project of his, as he suggests his infatuation with the idea on OG Voat. Either that or he is very busy, as he appears to be learning to code as he builds the site.

I'm putting my money on the first, and he is hoping the hoopla dies down when we get tired of fussing.

if we can't properly use the site I may as well join in the fun in destroying the site.

I'm not there just yet - have faith. People come around.

[ - ] deleted 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 11, 2021 16:52:22 ago (+0/-0)

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[ - ] system 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 11, 2021 15:08:44 ago (+0/-0)

It is mostly just an inconvenience for us right now

How is it inconvenient to you? Unless you are tagging, IDing and tracking users, how is it inconvenient? I don't understand.

OG Voat was the next generation of the reddit format - since goats didn't/still don't much like the god-moderators, community defense was tied into the comment sorting system. This, btw, is the origin of why 'anon' is incompatible with Voat's format.

This can easily be solved with a points requirement to post anon, and possible repercussions for multiple negatively voted anon posts, like a time out from anon posting.

FWIW, I'd bet this idea (recreating the chans) would actually get support amongst our community. We have a pretty good cross-section of the community represented in these comments, and, if you look, the halfway mongrel is very unpopular.

I have no desire to recreate the chans. The lack of a defence system is exactly why, it just turns into mush. What I do like about them is the lack of registration, being able to post without anyone being able to trace it back to an account, and not having your account penalized for an unpopular opinion. Everyone is on the same level so to speak, the text stands on it's own without bias.


[ - ] aleleopathic [op] 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 12, 2021 03:15:05 ago (+0/-0)

How is it inconvenient to you? Unless you are tagging, IDing and tracking users, how is it inconvenient?

To the latter part, we all are doing that, in a way - it's part of participating in a community. I personally don't come here to consume right-wing memes - other sites do that better (though I have a solution for that - tell you in PM as Cyna thinks I should ask your permission first). I am here because I run into the same users in different threads and get to converse with them about different topics.

'Anon' is anti community in this sense, which is why I think it is aggravating to many of us when common community bonding opportunities (e.g. memes or people telling stories) are wasted in the 'anon' subs. This is why I used the term 'inconvenient' - it isn't a big deal, just a minor annoyance (as contrasted to the security hole 'anon' represents, which I believe is much bigger deal).

Even here - I am not going to throw a tantrum or try to twist your arm - I'd rather stay bros. This isn't because I like 'content aggregators' - it's simply showing good manners to members of your community. I'd argue that Voat literally is it's community, and anything 'anti-community' has no place, but again, I think that argument is weaker than the security argument.

This can easily be solved with a points requirement to post anon, and possible repercussions for multiple negatively voted anon posts

I suppose.

Again, I don't see any advantage that can't be had by alting (or just manning-up), while I see multiple drawbacks. I understand that I am just one guy though, and apparently not as convincing as I thought, so I will, in good faith, eagerly await whatever you propose.

What I do like about them is the lack of registration, being able to post without anyone being able to trace it back to an account, and not having your account penalized for an unpopular opinion.

I'm not sure these aspects are exactly what made the 'chan-like experience', but I get it. I would counter that these 3 things are low-effort/low-trust, as opposed to the high-effort/high-trust required for a community. I argued elsewhere in here that registration represents a 'cost' to be paid, however small, that is forfeited if an account is found to run against the community. 'Tracing things back to an account' is the literal definition of responsibility, and 'penalties for being unpopular' are nothing more than the 'shaming' that the left vilifies, but that we have since discovered maintains the integrity of a community.

I used to bitch on old Voat about the circlejerk that I think you might be trying to prevent here, but I actually think it is a good thing to pay a hefty 'reputation' cost for unpopularity. The gist is that you want big shifts in community ideology to come from pillars of the community - not outsiders - for security reasons. Outsiders will nuke their accounts (paying the 'effort' used for registration in the process), but insiders can actually change minds. I personally lost hundreds of CCP arguing that women shouldn't be married/bred 'as soon as they bleed', but as I argued and showed citations, it changed minds. I also lost shitloads of CCP for being anti-police, and think the idea is more palatable now because I was the one arguing that police were anti-White, as opposed to an outsider making the same argument. There are other ones that I am still losing CCP over (e.g. I think making babies is a peacetime act, and Whites should be preparing for war), but it is worth it.

 

Just some food for thought. I know I wrote a novel, so no pressure to reply; I'll see you around regardless. Also, I need to talk to you about the Content Merge Tool that I am working on!

[ - ] AloisH 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 21:45:23 ago (+1/-0)

@Cynabun be a good woman and sticky this please

[ - ] ruck_feddit 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 11, 2021 12:03:15 ago (+1/-0)

It's too bad you feel this way.

[ - ] deleted 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 21:25:15 ago (+0/-0)

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[ - ] boogienight 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 11, 2021 16:19:11 ago (+1/-1)

Glad to see system is sane. I think it's time to investigate the upvotes this bullshit received and begin bagging the fag accounts which were created to boost bullshit ideas towards the ruination of a free platform. This is a fine moment to take inventory of the fake accounts and up vote brigades from said fake accounts and do a little house cleaning. There won't be any loss of innocent life just more victories on the side of free speech.

[ - ] Hey_guys_whats_up 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 13, 2021 14:43:21 ago (+0/-0)

You guys are fucking stupid.

[ - ] Flabbygasted 12 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 17:50:40 ago (+13/-1)

How about only one anon post per day...or per week. I think every once in awhile there could be a need for anon post. If you need to share some info that could dox you if connected to other comments or posts for example.

[ - ] bosunmoon 7 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 18:04:38 ago (+7/-0)

make a burner account and state your reason.

[ - ] Flabbygasted 4 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 18:09:03 ago (+4/-0)

I figured burner accounts were shunned upon...the sites rule page doesnt pull up on my phone so I cant be certain. And you'd have to have one ahead of time in case registration is down or locked.

Bit more of a hassle than just posting under anon.

[ - ] Broc_Liath 5 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 19:37:59 ago (+5/-0)

Afaik alt accounts are only verboten if you're using them to manipulate voting or conversations, like using multiple accounts in the same thread.

[ - ] heygeorge 3 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 19:46:31 ago (+3/-0)

You’re not allowed to talk to yourself with alts? Half the site would disappear.

[ - ] Vrbllpollushin 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 19:55:02 ago (+0/-0)

Lol. That's a true statement.

[ - ] Mr7Slug 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 19:57:43 ago (+0/-0)

Shut up, Me!

[ - ] heygeorge 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 20:13:32 ago (+0/-0)

Good chatting with you, fren who is not me.

[ - ] Shillax 3 points 2.7 yearsAug 11, 2021 07:08:14 ago (+3/-0)

You’re not allowed to talk to yourself with alts? Half the site would disappear.

[ - ] ShitstainTango 3 points 2.7 yearsAug 11, 2021 07:26:05 ago (+3/-0)

You’re not allowed to talk to yourself with alts? Half the site would disappear.

[ - ] Shillax 2 points 2.7 yearsAug 11, 2021 07:35:05 ago (+2/-0)

This a hey george alt?

[ - ] Broc_Liath 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 11, 2021 08:12:29 ago (+1/-0)

This a hey george alt?

[ - ] Broc_Liath 2 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 19:57:23 ago (+2/-0)

You’re not allowed to talk to yourself with alts? Half the site would disappear.

[ - ] GoatsAdvocate 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 20:10:43 ago (+0/-0)

This a hey george alt?

[ - ] Broc_Liath 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 20:12:59 ago (+0/-0)

This a hey george alt?

[ - ] MasterAce 2 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 20:21:34 ago (+2/-0)

Tell that to AOU

[ - ] Broc_Liath 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 21:07:19 ago (+1/-0)

The dark one has no power here.

[ - ] ShitstainTango 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 11, 2021 07:26:54 ago (+0/-0)

Is this a hey george alt?

[ - ] FacelessOne 2 points 2.7 yearsAug 11, 2021 07:30:58 ago (+2/-0)

You’re not allowed to talk to yourself with alts? Half the site would disappear.

[ - ] deleted 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 11, 2021 16:58:02 ago (+1/-0)

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[ - ] bosunmoon 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 18:21:23 ago (+4/-3)

You could always fuck right off if you feel that strongly about anonymity among fellow users.
Unless you're dead set on saying something to the rest of us while not being judged by your already anonymous username that you chose for anonymity in the first place.

[ - ] SparklingWiggle 4 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 20:33:11 ago (+5/-1)

He has a point. I can think of a few scenarios where having an extra layer of obfuscation could be appreciated.

[ - ] bosunmoon 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 20:41:23 ago (+2/-1)

Name one.

[ - ] SparklingWiggle 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 20:45:05 ago (+0/-0)

I would like to have a video emailed to people I work for. I need someone to do it and need to cover my trail as best I can. A fellow goat could be my courier.

[ - ] Hey_guys_whats_up 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 11, 2021 08:39:15 ago (+0/-0)

Why would you need a burner account for that?

[ - ] SparklingWiggle 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 11, 2021 08:44:46 ago (+0/-0)

You can use your imagination, but the video could be a threat or just something that would be easy to link back to me. This could provide alibi or at least some plausible deniability.

[ - ] Flabbygasted 3 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 18:55:25 ago (+4/-1)

You seem to be the one who feels strongly about anon...I really dont give a shit. Just saying, there are reasons one might want an extra layer of anonymity.

[ - ] bosunmoon 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 18:57:20 ago (+4/-4)

Well if you don't give a shit fuck right off.

[ - ] Flabbygasted 3 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 19:34:51 ago (+3/-0)

I will never fuck off

[ - ] bosunmoon 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 19:41:38 ago (+1/-0)

Ok.

[ - ] Mr7Slug 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 19:57:05 ago (+0/-0)

Now kiss and make up.

[ - ] bosunmoon 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 19:59:30 ago (+0/-0)

You both can kiss my hairy ball bag.

[ - ] Hey_guys_whats_up 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 19:04:18 ago (+3/-2)

Burner accounts are fine. I also post under Barack Obama but everyone already knows that.

[ - ] ShitstainTango 2 points 2.7 yearsAug 11, 2021 07:24:37 ago (+2/-0)

Weren't you site-banned?
@system! HAAAALP!!!!

[ - ] deleted 2 points 2.7 yearsAug 11, 2021 16:54:15 ago (+2/-0)

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[ - ] Hey_guys_whats_up 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 12, 2021 18:35:48 ago (+0/-0)

@system forgive my personal request but can you please explain to this moron that the dial shit is just in his head.

[ - ] qwop 2 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 18:35:05 ago (+3/-1)*

Perhaps once per week might work. We would have to see what happens. This would still allow people to vent on their sensitive issues once in a while.

Another issue I see also, is that comments within a single anon post would work better if they were tripcoded. As it stands currently you do not know who is replying to whom, and it's just a shit show in the comment section. A single account could just hijack the whole comment section and nobody would know. Tripcoding would fix that.

[ - ] bosunmoon 2 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 18:40:52 ago (+3/-1)

Or just do away with it and avoid the issue entirely.

[ - ] boogienight 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 11, 2021 16:21:25 ago (+0/-0)

Perhaps you're a faggot. Maybe you should only be allotted 1 free speech statement per month, this is the prescription of your march towards a chinese faggot society while making it taste less poisoness on the way down. Go fuck yourself

[ - ] Flabbygasted -1 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 18:52:18 ago (+0/-1)

I'm not familiar with tripcoding, but I agree. It's hard to tell who you are talking to, or if some random person has jumped into the conversation.

[ - ] boogienight 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 11, 2021 16:20:21 ago (+0/-0)

How about you only get 1 free speech statement per week America?

[ - ] Flabbygasted 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 11, 2021 16:52:41 ago (+0/-0)

I don't like that idea.

I think I see what you are trying to say (stifling free speech?) And I think you're wrong. Spamming a forum with random bullshit and several alt accounts is the same thing as a couple frat boys that go into a bar, jam up the juke box, yell in peoples faces and get in the way...generally just annoy everyone else. Eventually they deserve to get their ass whooped...but unlike a bar, this is online. We cant physically do anything. The best bet is to have some kind of fix.

[ - ] Steelerfish 11 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 17:28:45 ago (+12/-1)

Wouldn’t bother me at all. The anon sub is just a bunch of shit anyway.

[ - ] Her0n 8 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 18:37:46 ago (+8/-0)

Remove it. There’s no need to have it at all, and it’s being abused.

[ - ] boogienight 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 11, 2021 16:22:19 ago (+0/-0)

Remove yourself immediately and stop the abuse of sane people. We've had enough of your ignorance.

[ - ] AndrewBlazeIt 8 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 18:10:54 ago (+8/-0)

Anon subs have always been fagland

[ - ] boogienight 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 11, 2021 16:23:41 ago (+0/-0)

Criticizers of anon have always been the grand high chief of faggots in every society, just tell us you want to ban free speech next faggot. Go bend over to China and sign up to Faceberg or commie reddit. You can get fucked by tyrants by the second over there.

[ - ] Hey_guys_whats_up 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 12, 2021 18:37:38 ago (+1/-0)

You know that's pretty fucking hilarious of you to say when you considered the most highly moderated and censured sub on oldvoat was the anon subs.


You seriously think that the Qanon sub was about free speech? Give me a fucking break. I was literally banned from Qanon for criticizing Israel.

[ - ] boogienight 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 13, 2021 09:59:35 ago (+0/-0)

why do you even bring up Qanon? who gives a fuck about that. Anon subs doesn't automatically mean Qanon, go tell your supervisor he's a fucking idiot

[ - ] Hey_guys_whats_up 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 13, 2021 14:47:35 ago (+0/-0)

You clearly weren't on the old forum. Go to searchvoat, read the archives and learn about what happened on Voat. I was right about what would happen there, I was right about Poal, I was right about ruqqus, I was right about all of these fucking platforms,and I know I'm right about talk.lol

I really truly from the bottom of my heart will always appreciate system volunteering his time to build this place, but I won't hesitate to say I told you so or to blare the horns like I did last time. I'm not letting this shit fester again. If you want to know what "this" is I will gladly explain everything in a new post.

[ - ] Hey_guys_whats_up 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 12, 2021 18:41:40 ago (+1/-0)

Okay so does anyone else here remember that the staunchest supporters of anon posting was the Q tards that invaded Voat. Did you guys forget that Voat was a honey pot designed to collect those individuals and push them towards the protest on congress, exposing them for arrest, and them suddenly Voat went down after that?


Dude am I taking fucking crazy pills?!? Is this some kind of mass gaslighting campaign against me? I need a drink, where's my bourbon...

[ - ] aleleopathic [op] 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 12, 2021 20:56:36 ago (+0/-0)

I 'member. Good take on that situation.

[ - ] TheViciousMrPim 6 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 18:05:13 ago (+6/-0)*



Yes. Fuck the Anon subs

[ - ] Mr7Slug 6 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 17:54:39 ago (+6/-0)

We are already anon. The only people who want to be more anon are the faggots and kikes (dont kid ourselves, niggers are too stupid to use the internet, the "president" said so!).

Theres nothing to gain by having anon subs, but there is plenty to lose.

This ties in with the concept of "just block them if they are annoying!" retard bullshit. Some piece of shit shows up, acts like the kike they probably are, gets blocked by everyone, and wow look at that, now they have unlimited ability to post all sorts of child porn and whatever other disgusting bullshit they want without anyone here even noticing, until they successfully poison the site enough and get it taken down. For fucks sake, its probably the feds themselves being the annoying fuckin scumbags that eventually post CP and use that as evidence for them to excuse their own existence.

NO anon subs.
NO blocking (not saying remove the feature, just advocating for that to not be the way we handle retarded scumbags around here.)


Take action, dont ignore the problems. If we cant even gas our own spammers and faggots, how in the absolute fuck are we gonna take back the world.

[ - ] deleted 6 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 17:39:43 ago (+6/-0)

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[ - ] bosunmoon 6 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 17:20:03 ago (+6/-0)

Yes.

[ - ] NumbDigger 4 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 22:19:20 ago (+4/-0)

I vote remove it. The reasons to be rid of it are better than those to keep it.

[ - ] Tbneer967 4 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 21:48:38 ago (+4/-0)

Please get rid of anon posting. There is no point.

[ - ] UndercoverGoyim 4 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 21:25:23 ago (+4/-0)

Agreed. Voat has and always had an assortment of its own celebrities, shills and preachers. Anon posting is not only fake and gay, but goes against everything that makes this the unique and immensly philosophical place that it is.

[ - ] JudyStroyer 4 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 20:34:14 ago (+4/-0)

Gas it. It's cancer here.

[ - ] Willy 4 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 20:32:41 ago (+4/-0)

Yes

[ - ] AngryWhiteKeyboardWarrior 2 points 2.7 yearsAug 11, 2021 07:57:48 ago (+2/-0)

I block all the anon subs whenever I see one, so you other faggots just do whatever you want to do.

[ - ] BushChuck 3 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 20:51:02 ago (+3/-0)

Anon is for faggots.

Hang them all, and burn their corpses.

[ - ] account deleted by user 3 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 20:38:33 ago (+3/-0)

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[ - ] bosunmoon 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 20:49:50 ago (+2/-1)

The point to be made here is that they could get rid of this site, and you'd never know because you have them blocked.

[ - ] account deleted by user 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 21:08:20 ago (+1/-0)

account deleted by user

[ - ] SparklingWiggle 3 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 20:31:37 ago (+3/-0)

You make sense. Let's try it out for a few weeks and see if there is any detriment.

[ - ] dalai_llama 3 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 19:56:05 ago (+3/-0)

I mean, technically we're all supposed to be anonymous.

[ - ] account deleted by user 2 points 2.7 yearsAug 11, 2021 01:50:35 ago (+2/-0)

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[ - ] Ragnar 2 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 22:13:13 ago (+2/-0)

Yes

[ - ] 86USSLiberty 2 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 22:09:28 ago (+2/-0)

It’s annoying. I come here because it is more of a community. You get to figure out who you think is a glownigger or kike. I can just go to the chans otherwise.

[ - ] Jew 2 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 20:56:54 ago (+2/-0)

I'll bet you fags actually still consider this censored hugbox a "free speech" site, don't you?

[ - ] UndercoverGoyim 2 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 21:27:01 ago (+2/-0)

How's the weather in Tel Aviv?

[ - ] Garrett 2 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 20:46:06 ago (+2/-0)

Yes

[ - ] Kung_Flu 2 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 19:47:45 ago (+2/-0)

Digging through post history is regularly done by bad faith actors. This is how the soyboys of reddit usually attack outsiders: "omg you post stuff about X! You're scum" It wouldn't surprise me if that tactic became common place if there ever was a large enough migration of leftoids. Communal behavior after all is how leftists operate. It's happened enough on ruqqus and I did make my profile private because I had a few stalkers downvoting all of my posts.

So yes, anon content risks enabling forum sliding and other bad faith tactics. But old voat had it including that hopium hive, and it didn't seem to cause too many problems.

[ - ] bosunmoon 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 19:52:28 ago (+0/-0)

You just explained the only reason why votes actually matter.
If you are down voted to oblivion Your account is crippled.

[ - ] Kung_Flu 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 19:54:54 ago (+1/-0)

Yeah? And shitlibs can do that too. A large enough migration could radically change this site.

[ - ] bosunmoon 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 20:29:27 ago (+1/-0)

They can only do that if they are in Voats good graces, Thanks to votes and the goats who cast them.

[ - ] AloisH 2 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 19:32:54 ago (+4/-2)

Anon is supposed to remove ego.
For example my ego is besmirched when grammatical errors are pointed out to me. I instantly hate the person doing it and will dedicate the rest of my life to there annoyance.

[ - ] bosunmoon 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 19:49:56 ago (+2/-2)

Grow some fucking skin.

[ - ] AloisH 3 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 20:15:05 ago (+3/-0)

Did you feel any wind?

[ - ] bosunmoon -2 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 20:18:03 ago (+0/-2)

why yes. Just a moment ago in the seat of my chair.

[ - ] AloisH 3 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 20:33:13 ago (+3/-0)*

You totally missed the point I was making & the joke. Maybe you should focus less on ketchup and beans

[ - ] bosunmoon -3 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 20:38:18 ago (+0/-3)

I understood your point, but your point is flimsy and kiked. Fuck you and your ego.

[ - ] AloisH 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 20:51:11 ago (+0/-0)

What about the joke? Did you notice the set up for knock knock style joke?

[ - ] bosunmoon 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 20:56:05 ago (+0/-0)

Fuck your joke.

[ - ] AloisH 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 21:09:26 ago (+0/-0)

dagnabbit

[ - ] yesiknow 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 11, 2021 06:47:20 ago (+0/-0)

Their.

[ - ] AloisH 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 11, 2021 16:01:57 ago (+0/-0)

Mother Fucker! and thank-you

[ - ] fightknightHERO 2 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 19:05:48 ago (+3/-1)

Nuke it

[ - ] Hey_guys_whats_up 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 11, 2021 08:34:55 ago (+1/-0)

@system anon poster currently upvoting his own submissions to the front page. We literally can't do anything to stop it, I can't prove it, and we don't know who's doing it.

Please let us know how you are okay with that.

[ - ] FacelessOne 2 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 17:18:16 ago (+4/-2)

Agreed

[ - ] Nosferatjew 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 23:12:56 ago (+1/-0)

@system, pull the plug already. Anonposting adds negative value to this site.

[ - ] SmellsLikeTacos 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 23:04:49 ago (+1/-0)

Fuck the anon subs. If you want something not attached to your handle.. then make a new burner.

[ - ] SmellsLikeTacos 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 23:03:39 ago (+1/-0)

Fuck the anon subs. If you want something not attached to your handle.. then make a new burner.

[ - ] Hermes 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 20:39:32 ago (+2/-1)

SHOW US YOUR FACE BROTHER

[ - ] AloisH 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 20:28:51 ago (+1/-0)

What about Text only anon posts?
I think it would solve 80% of our problems

[ - ] heygeorge 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 19:02:14 ago (+3/-2)

Anon posts can be useful. I have used them to post about things I wouldn’t like specifically attached to my pseudonym.

A lot of times, the vast majority, the threads are terrible. If you hate them, block them.

[ - ] AloisH 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 19:42:46 ago (+1/-0)

Is it possible to remove ego without empowering shits?

[ - ] heygeorge 2 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 20:16:00 ago (+2/-0)

At times it is. Every couple days or so there are good anon threads. The real threats to the site and shills have usernames you are used to and you don’t even know you are being manipulated.

[ - ] MasterAce 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 20:23:53 ago (+1/-0)

Well said , I was wondering if I’d ever agree with you again.

[ - ] heygeorge 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 20:29:53 ago (+1/-0)

Thank you. I was not wondering that.

[ - ] MasterAce 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 20:38:33 ago (+1/-0)

Thank You

- heygeorge

[ - ] bosunmoon 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 19:46:34 ago (+1/-0)

That's retarded. You get no ketchup for your beans.

[ - ] boogienight 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 17:35:29 ago (+7/-6)

Every post to remove anon features is glowie-endorsed and upvoted by fake accounts. Get this through your thick fucking skulls - if you don't like anon posts or anon subs, don't read them, don't click them. I also have great news for you, there's a whole internet full of anti-anon social media, you can hand your drivers license to faceberg, you can hand your phone numbers to twitter and instagram, and you have you're anti-anon paradise as you watch the wrong comment get your own life wrecked. But of all places you come to voat and try to lobby for anti-anon features. Are you lost? Are you retarded? No, just a glowie.

[ - ] deleted 6 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 17:41:18 ago (+6/-0)

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[ - ] mikenigger 6 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 17:53:02 ago (+6/-0)

said the glowie testing the waters with anon posts risk-free

[ - ] AndrewBlazeIt 4 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 18:12:08 ago (+5/-1)

There’s no actual argument anywhere in there.

[ - ] bosunmoon -3 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 19:43:27 ago (+0/-3)

Try breathing through your nose.

[ - ] Nosferatjew 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 23:14:58 ago (+0/-0)

Smells like farts though.

[ - ] bosunmoon 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 18:01:11 ago (+2/-1)

anon subs are only anonymous to the users of the website. aka the people who judge you.
The only feature anon subs provide is keeping the users from judging other users personally.
So that being said how well does it pay to be a web kike?

[ - ] bosunmoon 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 17:25:44 ago (+1/-0)

[ - ] Mr7Slug 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 17:57:24 ago (+1/-0)

Agreed.

[ - ] oldblo 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 23:27:31 ago (+0/-0)

Remove anon posting from all. It will solve a lot fast.

[ - ] MasterAce 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 19:33:39 ago (+2/-2)

I was listening to the radio at work. (Jr.fm)
the dipshit lady personality (not a DJ as all stations have a play list ) , was talking about a story suggesting that anonymity should be a thing of the past for the Internet.that it’s to easy for “trolls” etc. To “spread disinformation” in this case Covid / Biden.
A few days later the same “story” and case was made by some faggoty news personality on Australian news.
At any rate this reminds me of those fuck wits.
Why on earth would we need to get rid of anon posting ? every argument for disabling anon so far that I’ve read is dumb. I get that your all 14 and your passionate about muh shills sho nuff gone done goona poison the well.but you have to think about where this leads too.
If some fat fucking fed is goona fuck this site over they don’t need anon to do it.
for the most part I’m sure many of you can identify a user by the topic anyway.
Ban anon/ ban porn/ ban sbbh/ ban Democrats/ wrong think.
Fucking niggers yapping at Ven about da kids gone see titties. Then when he says yo just go to talk lol an no titties they fuck off anyway.Nigger this the Internet.
Sincerely-anonymous.

[ - ] bosunmoon 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 20:52:08 ago (+1/-0)

You picked a username to be anonymous.

[ - ] MasterAce 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 20:58:46 ago (+0/-0)

Yep and I killed my acct a few weeks ago then the drama stirred up and I couldn’t make a new one till recently.That said since I’m “new here” my opinion isn’t worth much. But I still think disabling anon is a mistake.

[ - ] bosunmoon 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 21:00:47 ago (+0/-0)

Doing away with anon subs still doesn't change that.

[ - ] taoV 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 19:06:39 ago (+1/-1)

If you remove it people will just make alts for stuff they would have posted as anon. It's a slight inconveninece for anyone poisoning the well. Weighed against having anon posts....I doubt there is much difference, for the same reason.

[ - ] aleleopathic [op] 3 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 19:16:50 ago (+3/-0)

If you remove it people will just make alts for stuff they would have posted as anon.

This is fine - the community has generally never had a problem with that (until brigading happens) and system has explicitly said he has no problems with it as long as everyone plays nicely. And the inconvenience is a good thing - it is a 'cost' to be paid for separating controversial stuff from your main account. Furthermore, if Voat defends itself, and your account gets nuked sub-zero because of that, there is at least some cost you must pay to shill again. Like I said - with 'anon', poisoning is free.

To argue by example: when you see something anti-White/anti-Voat/etc from a day-old account with no other comments, you downvote and ignore. It preserves the community resources. You can further call out the prevalence of day-old accounts shitting up a good thread and you will save the resources of others too.

None of this exists with contextless 'anon' posting.

[ - ] Hey_guys_whats_up -1 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 19:03:36 ago (+3/-4)

System should weigh in with my stats. I'm a genuine "power", user, this was double true on oldvoat under my name glipglup. I regularly would have the top rated posts and would generate the most discussions. My threads were regularly on the front page and would receive the most comments. I did this despite almost never actually posting links, images or otherwise outside comments, it was purely through the fact that I expressed my opinions and for one reason or another my opinions regularly touched a very deep nerve within the community. I think it's because I'm one of the few legitimate users and I'm confident of this because I wouldn't be scared to meet other Voat members in real life and expose myself unlike most of the other so called "power users" here.

I say this to chime in that, OP is right, I don't give a shit about points, at all. As you can see, I almost never upvote or downvote anything. I've only downvoted spam or porn. If I had my way I wouldn't have points at all, they are stupid and gay and ruin discussion. Ideas cannot be numerically valuated in a reliable fashion. "Make it bigger" can sometimes be a fantastic suggestion, or it could be the worst. Without context "make it bigger" means nothing to a computer, and yet we use a numerical computer system to valuate conditional statements. I sincerely wish you guys could see just how astronomically retarded this is.


At any rate, I vote yay, remove the anon posting, it's completely pointless here.

[ - ] AloisH 4 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 19:38:20 ago (+4/-0)

Did you get a boner while writing that?

[ - ] bosunmoon 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 20:20:58 ago (+2/-1)

Despite your first paragraph reading like an application to the adl, I'm glad you're on board. Voat needs goats.

[ - ] Hey_guys_whats_up 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 11, 2021 07:46:32 ago (+1/-0)

I felt like a fag writing but funny enough it's also why I oppose anon posting: it removes context. I think people who don't think context matters are probably literally autistic.

[ - ] aleleopathic [op] 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 19:07:04 ago (+0/-0)

> glipglup

That's a name I hadn't seen in a while. Cheers bro.

[ - ] deleted -2 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 17:38:33 ago (+2/-4)

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[ - ] account deleted by user -3 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 19:44:26 ago (+3/-6)*

account deleted by user

[ - ] bosunmoon 5 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 19:48:48 ago (+5/-0)

I'll start. The Caps lock key is usually located near the middle row of the keyboard just to the left of the letter (A). Give it a try.

[ - ] account deleted by user -2 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 19:51:45 ago (+3/-5)

account deleted by user

[ - ] bosunmoon 3 points 2.7 yearsAug 10, 2021 19:58:30 ago (+3/-0)

I'm glad you shared the images from your imagination with us.
I can see you're still having trouble with that pesky Caps key, and comprehension of simple concepts. You should try just blocking them so you don't look like a retard in the future.