I have been wondering recently, are depictions of birth in films and the like accurate? Is it really that bad as they try to make it out to be, or are they trying to horrify women into refusing to ever go through it?
I gave birth 5 days ago. 4 hours start to finish. At home. I wont get into huge detail bit my first birth was in hospital, used induction drugs, and took 16 hours start to finish. I came away from birth 1 with some psychological damage, and vowed to avoid the birthing suite for any firther births. Birth 2 I was only attended by my husband and a doula, and I felt like I had taken back my womanhood by birthing my baby my way, not the hospital way.
Long story short, yes it is kiked. TV/ movie birth often contains images to traumatize women into fearing birth including but not limited to:
-A woman lying on her back. -a woman screaming in agony with each contraction -Being surrounded by doctors and bright lights -being told when and how to push, because doctors know best. -An overall atmospgere of fear, tension, and pain. -being digitally penetrated over and over (sexual submission to someone other than her husband)
Birth is a very private event. It requires a few things to go smoothly and safely. It needs privacy, it needs calm, it needs the birthing woman to feel safe and unobserved. It also helps to remain upright and mobile. Left to birth alone, most women opt to remain upright in a squat position, or on all 4s to open the pelvis and use gravity to aid the decent down the birth canal. Medical birth provides none of these elements then attempts to outsmart god and nature with drugs and surgury. Movie depictions of birth are the conditioning to accept this as normal. Its not.
[ - ] Hadza [op] 1 point 2.8 yearsAug 9, 2021 04:50:55 ago (+1/-0)*
Congratulations and thanks for such a detailed answer! Glad to hear it went all right. I've heard descriptions almost one-to-one similar to yours from others, including Varg. It really does seem like the way to go. I've always been wondering why are they doing it the wrong way in the hospitals, just provide the same environment as with home births and an occasional emergency service if necessary behind the scenes. Speaking of, have you had any fears or doubts that it would go awry?
[ - ] YamaMaya 1 point 2.8 yearsAug 9, 2021 07:18:28 ago (+1/-0)
At one time the majority of mothers birthed at home. Then a targeted smear campaign against midwife led care happened, and birth was moved from the home to the hospital. It was standardized and measured in an attempt to reduce maternal death, but what we really got was a giant mega system of obstetrics which has fucked the birth process so badly women are now fleeing the hospitals to return to tradition.
I was nervous, but I had researched the physiology of birth amd labor extensively. I was confident that staying home would be the best chance to achieve a normal birth. I also came across a blog which addresses the majority of complications and the real statistics and causes of such things. 99% of the time, its the medical model causing the problem. But we are all made to believe the mother's body is a ticking time bomb with a baby inside, and its reinforced that we "arent qualified" to know what our own bodies are doing therefore need the "help" of an OB when they cause problems they then have to turn around and "save" us from.
These are the best two sources. Both registered midwives. They do have some kind of annoying feminist attitudes but their knowledge of birth and the various interventions is excellent.
[ - ] Fascinus 1 point 2.8 yearsAug 8, 2021 19:39:16 ago (+1/-0)
I've seen this both ways. My wife has given us many children with nary an issue. I think she had the option of getting a single stitch with our first.
Her sister, on the other hand...
We were at some family gathering, I forget what the occasion was. Mother in law had set a laptop up to run through family pictures.
I'm in the room, by myself, watching the pictures as they go by. "Oh, hey. There's uncle so and so... I remember that time!, Man, they look so young in that picture" etc. when, all of a sudden, my mind screams in horror as I take in the train wreck of a close-up of my sister-in-law's asploded vag. Then, just like that, it's gone, replaced by another ordinary image.
I only ever saw it for a moment and that image will be seared into my mind until the day I die.
They never talk about how childbirth smells like a meatlocker or that 400 different random people will come in an stick their fingers in your wife and say some metric measurement as if that makes it normal.
To give example, in films, waters break... Oh no baby coming
In real life, waters break... Lol you've probably got another 24hrs of ever increasing contractions before Labour even starts...
After which you are likely to be between 1-3 cm dilated...
Then ad 1cm per hour of labour to get to 10cm.
At which point it's pushing time (lady has probably been awake with waves of pain for about 36 hours - with snatched moments of sleep between contractions)
You get an hour to push, or 90mins if they think it might comes out, after which you can expect invasive procedures...
Blood loss likely to be anywhere up to 1 or 2 pints depending, can easily be more
Oh and in real life, if you get to the hospital too early, they will just send you home.
Source: I have made enough kids to field a football team
[ - ] Fascinus 1 point 2.8 yearsAug 8, 2021 19:50:30 ago (+1/-0)
This is a fairly accurate description of a hospital birth; that and what @bosunmoon said about everybody, up to and including the janitor, jamming their fingers up your wife's vag (haven't experienced this one with my wife and I have seen it happen personally).
We don't have as many as @theBreadSultan, though a fair bit more than most, and I can tell you that, in my experience, home births are by far the way to go, if you can afford it. A lot of insurance carriers won't cover it and the experience is significantly better in every conceivable way.
[ + ] YamaMaya
[ - ] YamaMaya 5 points 2.8 yearsAug 8, 2021 22:19:59 ago (+5/-0)*
Long story short, yes it is kiked. TV/ movie birth often contains images to traumatize women into fearing birth including but not limited to:
-A woman lying on her back.
-a woman screaming in agony with each contraction
-Being surrounded by doctors and bright lights
-being told when and how to push, because doctors know best.
-An overall atmospgere of fear, tension, and pain.
-being digitally penetrated over and over (sexual submission to someone other than her husband)
Birth is a very private event. It requires a few things to go smoothly and safely. It needs privacy, it needs calm, it needs the birthing woman to feel safe and unobserved. It also helps to remain upright and mobile. Left to birth alone, most women opt to remain upright in a squat position, or on all 4s to open the pelvis and use gravity to aid the decent down the birth canal. Medical birth provides none of these elements then attempts to outsmart god and nature with drugs and surgury. Movie depictions of birth are the conditioning to accept this as normal. Its not.
[ + ] fightknightHERO
[ - ] fightknightHERO 2 points 2.8 yearsAug 8, 2021 22:38:11 ago (+2/-0)
Like i knew in my bones that drugs and c-sec were unnatural
Did people forget we had none of the technology a few centuries ago and people did what they did at HOME?
But it's as you said--conditioning...
[ + ] Hadza
[ - ] Hadza [op] 1 point 2.8 yearsAug 9, 2021 04:50:55 ago (+1/-0)*
[ + ] YamaMaya
[ - ] YamaMaya 1 point 2.8 yearsAug 9, 2021 07:18:28 ago (+1/-0)
I was nervous, but I had researched the physiology of birth amd labor extensively. I was confident that staying home would be the best chance to achieve a normal birth. I also came across a blog which addresses the majority of complications and the real statistics and causes of such things. 99% of the time, its the medical model causing the problem. But we are all made to believe the mother's body is a ticking time bomb with a baby inside, and its reinforced that we "arent qualified" to know what our own bodies are doing therefore need the "help" of an OB when they cause problems they then have to turn around and "save" us from.
[ + ] Hadza
[ - ] Hadza [op] 0 points 2.8 yearsAug 11, 2021 03:58:23 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] YamaMaya
[ - ] YamaMaya 1 point 2.8 yearsAug 11, 2021 04:53:40 ago (+1/-0)
https://www.sarawickham.com/
These are the best two sources. Both registered midwives. They do have some kind of annoying feminist attitudes but their knowledge of birth and the various interventions is excellent.
[ + ] yesiknow
[ - ] yesiknow 3 points 2.8 yearsAug 8, 2021 17:28:03 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] theBreadSultan
[ - ] theBreadSultan 2 points 2.8 yearsAug 8, 2021 18:09:14 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] SulemanSeinfeld
[ - ] SulemanSeinfeld 1 point 2.8 yearsAug 8, 2021 16:57:53 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Fascinus
[ - ] Fascinus 1 point 2.8 yearsAug 8, 2021 19:39:16 ago (+1/-0)
Her sister, on the other hand...
We were at some family gathering, I forget what the occasion was. Mother in law had set a laptop up to run through family pictures.
I'm in the room, by myself, watching the pictures as they go by. "Oh, hey. There's uncle so and so... I remember that time!, Man, they look so young in that picture" etc. when, all of a sudden, my mind screams in horror as I take in the train wreck of a close-up of my sister-in-law's asploded vag. Then, just like that, it's gone, replaced by another ordinary image.
I only ever saw it for a moment and that image will be seared into my mind until the day I die.
[ + ] bosunmoon
[ - ] bosunmoon 0 points 2.8 yearsAug 8, 2021 17:00:48 ago (+1/-1)
[ + ] theBreadSultan
[ - ] theBreadSultan 0 points 2.8 yearsAug 8, 2021 18:10:44 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] theBreadSultan
[ - ] theBreadSultan -1 points 2.8 yearsAug 8, 2021 16:46:18 ago (+0/-1)
And its way worse in real life than on film.
To give example, in films, waters break... Oh no baby coming
In real life, waters break... Lol you've probably got another 24hrs of ever increasing contractions before Labour even starts...
After which you are likely to be between 1-3 cm dilated...
Then ad 1cm per hour of labour to get to 10cm.
At which point it's pushing time (lady has probably been awake with waves of pain for about 36 hours - with snatched moments of sleep between contractions)
You get an hour to push, or 90mins if they think it might comes out, after which you can expect invasive procedures...
Blood loss likely to be anywhere up to 1 or 2 pints depending, can easily be more
Oh and in real life, if you get to the hospital too early, they will just send you home.
Source: I have made enough kids to field a football team
[ + ] s23erdctfvyg
[ - ] s23erdctfvyg 3 points 2.8 yearsAug 8, 2021 17:22:54 ago (+3/-0)
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[ - ] deleted 1 point 2.8 yearsAug 8, 2021 17:08:51 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] theBreadSultan
[ - ] theBreadSultan 0 points 2.8 yearsAug 8, 2021 18:07:40 ago (+1/-1)
But it's still a football team
[ + ] Fascinus
[ - ] Fascinus 1 point 2.8 yearsAug 8, 2021 19:50:30 ago (+1/-0)
We don't have as many as @theBreadSultan, though a fair bit more than most, and I can tell you that, in my experience, home births are by far the way to go, if you can afford it. A lot of insurance carriers won't cover it and the experience is significantly better in every conceivable way.