I'd say it's the analytical part of your mind that can be turned inwards to see itself. while not all actions we take are made with our conscious mind some actions can't be made at a subconscious level so they have to rise up to the conscious level for more executive decision and I believe that's where free will happens
I can prove free will very simply. Offer to make someone’s life easier by making all their decisions for them with a guarantee of sucess if they do everything you say.
[ - ] taoV 1 point 2.8 yearsJul 13, 2021 08:06:44 ago (+1/-0)
Well, there's the concept of being 'weak willed". Taken to an extreme, something could be so weak willed that it's practically noneistent, physically existing on instinct. Rabbits don't need a lot of will to do what they were alredy designed for, eating and fucking. But I've never seen one of them innovate. You might know people like this.
We can connect this to evolution. Evolution is far form perfect. It does just enough to get the job done slightly better within the context of environment, but often with significant design costs. Since you brought up evolution it suggests that the will has some physical component, maybe a region of the brain. Brains are pretty expensive and difficult to develop in nature so there is plenty of reason for something to have a diminished will.
BTW I like the idea of free will, but it seems to exist as a theoretical. An absolute zero of the human condition. Varying in degree due to many barriers and limits. If you think of it as a drive rather than a binary idea it seems to clear up a lot of the disagreements about it.
yes I see the dichotomy. I don't know if there's one physical component. but a physicist will tell you if they have all the information they can predict exactly what will happen next.
but we are conscious and I think the reason for that is so that we can make decisions and act. so The dichotomy exists between that and what a physicist might say.
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Yeah the "clockwork universe" thing is a weird issue. Some research seems to show an element of randomess or fuzz to the universe so I'm not 100% with the physicists on that one.
would it be impossible for God to know the future and grant humans free will?
Couldn’t God give humans the illusion of free will? We’d be just as happy as if we had actual free will, and God would retain his ability to see the future. Isn’t that a better solution for God?
Where is your free will? Is it part of your brain, or does it emanate from someplace outside your body and somehow control your actions?
The brain is composed of cells and neurons and chemicals and pathways and electrical activity that all conform to physical laws. When part of your brain is stimulated in one specific way, could it respond any way it wants, or would it always respond in one specific way?
Free will could be the result of God making us in his image. If we didn't have free will we wouldn't be similar enough to God for him to be satisfied with his creation.
once you bring god into the equation all bets are off. but if there is a god he certainly doesn't mind suffering because he's created quite a lot of it.
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Is it the part of you that acts?
Is it the the part of you that thinks?
Or is it the part of you that merely receives sensory information, including that of thinking?
Our consciousness is not acting, nor thinking, but merely receiving.
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We can connect this to evolution. Evolution is far form perfect. It does just enough to get the job done slightly better within the context of environment, but often with significant design costs. Since you brought up evolution it suggests that the will has some physical component, maybe a region of the brain. Brains are pretty expensive and difficult to develop in nature so there is plenty of reason for something to have a diminished will.
BTW I like the idea of free will, but it seems to exist as a theoretical. An absolute zero of the human condition. Varying in degree due to many barriers and limits. If you think of it as a drive rather than a binary idea it seems to clear up a lot of the disagreements about it.
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but we are conscious and I think the reason for that is so that we can make decisions and act. so The dichotomy exists between that and what a physicist might say.
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know the future and grant humans free will?
Couldn’t God give humans the
illusion of free will? We’d be just as happy as if we had actual
free will, and God would retain his ability to see the future. Isn’t
that a better solution for God?
Where is your free will? Is it part
of your brain, or does it emanate from someplace outside
your body and somehow control your actions?
The brain is composed of cells and neurons and chemicals and pathways and electrical activity that all conform to
physical laws. When part of your brain is stimulated in one
specific way, could it respond any way it wants, or would it
always respond in one specific way?
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