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Trying to sort signal from noise regarding fitness

submitted by NeverGiveUp to PimsGym 2.9 yearsJul 9, 2021 23:03:56 ago (+2/-0)     (PimsGym)

I'm a 5'7" guy with a morning weight of 270 lbs (yeah, I know) I don't want to get too specific and dox myself.

I have three questions that I will provide back-round for but for the impatient they are:

1. is hypertrophy important at all; or is strength king and thus the primary aim and I should let the chips fall where they may? Any truth to rep ranges dictating hypertrophy and strength?

2. Is it healthier to get to a proper body weight and then try hitting the weights again? or am I better off to fast while trying to gain strength in the weight room?

3. Caffeine, Creatine, Cardio: how much of each would you recommend?

I got up to damn near 300 lbs and decided to start fixing myself before it was too late. So before the holocough I started lifting weights and trying to lose weight. My weight has yo-yoed back and forth and I am just gonna commit to fasting. By day 2 of a fast I start getting cramps in my rib-cage multiple times a day. I started taking salt which seemed to help but not eliminate the problem. So I may just start alternating my fasting days. I would like to fast 3 days a week but don't know if I should be lifting on those days.

I started lifting again over a year ago now and my numbers are good (I used to lift when I was younger and it seemed to come back pretty quickly) but am having trouble figuring out my next steps in this area. I bench, squat, deadlift and row once per week. I do band assisted pullups twice per week. On the three major lifts I started by doing 5 X 5 and thought I should be aiming from muscle growth to help shed fat and started doing higher reps on everything but feel like crap doing that.

As of now I am taking a week off as I am sore as hell from going to failure on all my lifts the last couple of weeks. I want input on what I should do moving forward in the weight room while trying to lose weight. My current numbers are as follows:
Bench: don't know my max but have gotten 3 sets of 5 at 345 and have gotten one set of five at 355 (barely got 5th rep).
Squat: disproportionally weak compared to bench but I am built weird. Tried to get 435 for 3 sets of 6 before I decided to take a week off and only got 6 on first set then 5 and finally 4 on the last set.
Deadlift: I use a hex-bar with the handles up because I really suck at deadlift. so I just do the weight that I squat with and it feels easier (probably because I am basically doing rack pulls in this set up).

I have only done jump roping for cardio and have been very sporadic with it. Should I do lighter weights for more reps while I try and lose weight while increasing cardio? I feel like I shouldn't be getting over-trained since I am only doing the major lifts once per week but have been fatigued much more than I figured I should be. I am middle age so that might be part of it.

Before I get too old to do it should I be aiming for more hypertrophy than strength in order to serve as a base to build further strength on? If so should I be going to failure with lighter weights at higher reps or is that all bro science bullshit? Should I just focus on trying to maintain strength for the next six months while I focus on losing weight? My weight has gone up and down while I have been trying to accomplish both at the same time, so maybe I need to shift focus instead.

If any of you guys fast, do you do it while lifting on those days? I have tried and it seemed okay but don't know if I am shooting myself in the foot in the long term.

Any insight is appreciated.


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[ - ] voatisajewishheaven 3 points 2.9 yearsJul 10, 2021 00:38:50 ago (+3/-0)

is hypertrophy important at all; or is strength king and thus the primary aim

The consensus is that you need size to house strength, of course there is a diminishing return over investment at a certain point.

I should let the chips fall where they may?

Probably, at least until you've managed a reasonable weight.

Caffeine, Creatine, Cardio: how much of each would you recommend?

Caffeine as needed, don't exagerate. Creatine, 5g for everybody is good ball park. Cardio, more than last time, preferably zone 1-2 to keep some energy for the strength training, work the other HR zones independently later on in the week.

Should I just focus on trying to maintain strength for the next six months while I focus on losing weight?

Yes. Get on creatine, step on threadmill, walk backwards. Give the powerlifing a break, those are not particularly good exercises anyway. Try some dumbbells - declined/flat presses, declined/flat tricep extension, lateral raises, curls. And get original for leg day.

Don't underestimate walking, you can do a whole lot of it in zone 1-2 without accumulating much system-wide fatigue.

[ - ] NeverGiveUp [op] 0 points 2.9 yearsJul 10, 2021 11:04:16 ago (+0/-0)

does it matter much if I do cardio before or after lifting? I figure before would help warm up but don't know if there are other benefits to doing it afterward instead.

[ - ] voatisajewishheaven 0 points 2.9 yearsJul 10, 2021 11:53:28 ago (+0/-0)

As part of your warm-up routine yes but you shouldn't start a strength training session burned out from cardio.

The one important reason its often suggested to do it afterwards is because you need all your brain for lifting. Being tired means being more prone to injury.

[ - ] Artificial_Intelligentile 2 points 2.9 yearsJul 10, 2021 00:52:48 ago (+2/-0)

do an hour with a/several different personal trainer if you have SO many insecurities about what you are doing...


dont get your heart rate too high while fasting. your body will burn your muscles for energy!

[ - ] NeverGiveUp [op] 0 points 2.9 yearsJul 10, 2021 11:11:07 ago (+0/-0)

Good point on the fasting heart rate. I have been reading a lot on the subject and one thing sounds right and then I will read another experienced guy that contradicts other experienced folks and he makes as much sense as the others. Lately I've just started wondering how much of my "knowledge" is bro-science that I haven't questioned.

[ - ] FluffyBunnySlippers 0 points 2.9 yearsJul 10, 2021 02:04:22 ago (+1/-1)

Cardio for cardio sake is a waste of time. I would add hiit to your routine.

At your weight and recentess of starting, I would be careful of running, ligaments etc strengthen slower

If going to failure is messing you up that bad, you still have a lot of room to increase your intensity on a more regular basis.

Mass gaines foster low density muscle fibers I train for strength but that is just me.